The Coming Climate Change

[jhowelb]

Here's a news clipping you guts might find interesting.

[martinw]

Here is more that might possibly persuade some people that the "Science" of GW/CC is not quite the "done deal" that those with their noses in the trough might wish us to believe....

http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php

Well, well....

Best wishes,

Martin

[jhowelb]

Originally Posted by martinw Here is more that might possibly persuade some people that the "Science" of GW/CC is not quite the "done deal" that those with their noses in the trough might wish us to believe.... http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php Well, well.... Best wishes, Martin

As the little guy on HE-HAW used to say, "Velly intlestink!"

[Mariss Freimanis]

XYZ,

Don't go technical, you haven't the knack for it. The attenuated / potentiometer allusion was inept. I'm also awed you'd offer God criticism on how His heaven could be improved.

On the other hand I shouldn't be. You are not a "live and let live" kind of gal. You are a liberal and that means your panic du jour must be everyone else's as well. In your dreams you probably see brave progressive young men and women becoming collectively aware of some danger spawned by evil capitalists. They hold socialist gatherings where they emote and rail against the new-found evil. Thus fortified, the enlightened fan out across the land to convert the ignorant but well-meaning peasants to the cause. A Stalinist propaganda 30's movie would serve as a suitable backdrop to cast these young clear-eyed zealots in a suitably noble light. Forward-thrust jaws, shirt-sleeves rolled up, heroic poses struck as the peasants become enlightened and the music swells. You wake up with tears of inspiration on your cheeks.

That is you, XYZ; you say you expect to convert others to "the right way of thinking". Where did you get the arrogance to believe your wretched fears, delusions and hallucinations must include everyone to play out properly? Do you understand how absolutely self-involved, self-centered and narcissistic that is? Convert others indeed; convert them just to please and validate the horror-movie playing in your head.

I want to convert no one. Conservatives are not the door-to-door religious salesmen liberals are. I don't care what you believe, I don't care you don't believe as I do. I don't need others to believe what I believe to make my beliefs real. I don't need or want validation because my beliefs are unshakable. I will never try to convert you because I am a "live and let live" person.

Why am I here? It is because of you because you think silence is assent. It is actually. You tirelessly push your agenda. It is my duty to just as tirelessly refute it no matter how tedious that chore is. There is dedication on both the wrong and the right side. You shovel your crap into here, I too have a shovel and I use it to pick up your crap and shovel it right back. Let's see whose back gives out first.

By the way; I really like your Stepford Wife style.

Mariss

[Mariss Freimanis]

Originally Posted by martinw Dear Mariss, I imagine that's for me, and ,yes, you are quite correct. It was, however, partly an experiment to determine quite how crass the PC word filter might be. QED. Best wishes, Martin

Hey, that's alright. It's always interesting to tweak the inputs of a black-box system to see how it responds and from that try to divine what its internal logic is. It's practice for what you do with nature every time you are disposed to discover its secrets.

My point was at some time you have to ask yourself with all the 400,000 plus words the English vocabulary carries, why should someone find it vital to use the few dozen or so expletives to make a point. Those words certainly carry weight but better so do a few concatenated words carefully chosen from the 400,000 available.

I have no problem with the F word, the B word or frankly with the rest of the alphabet of "X" words. My problem is expletives are a shorthand for those who are too dull, lack the skill or are too lazy to express themselves better otherwise.

If I hit my thumb with a hammer, I start with the F word and work myself through the rest of the alphabet, fore and aft, before I'm done. Combinations of letters even. That's not the point though.

Mariss

[Mariss Freimanis]

Rekd,

I'm with your point of view. We live on this earth. It does what it does. In the far past it had frozen-over to the equator for 10 million years at least twice. Other times it it was balmy tropical at both poles many times for millions of years. It does what it does, it is what it is and we should enjoy the ride for the short time we are here today. It will be as different tomorrow as it was yesterday. Our touch on its face will be less than a feather.

This GW stuff; it's just maladjusted and arrogant people living out their own personal nightmares, spinning a tale just to get you to join into their delusions to make their's real. Just wait a decade; it will be something else. I ignore them.

Mariss

[Geof]

Originally Posted by Mariss Freimanis .....We live on this earth. It does what it does. .... Our touch on its face will be less than a feather. Mariss

Mariss have you never heard of the strong anthropic principal? Never mind being limited to the earth, the universe was created for the sole reason of bringing humanity into existence, how can you say or touch is unnoticeable? WE are the reason for the existence of everything.

[martinw]

Originally Posted by Mariss Freimanis My problem is expletives are a shorthand for those who are too dull, lack the skill or are too lazy to express themselves better otherwise. If I hit my thumb with a hammer, I start with the F word and work myself through the rest of the alphabet, fore and aft, before I'm done. Combinations of letters even. That's not the point though. Mariss

Dear Mariss,

Excellent points, and I paraded my less than gentlemanly behaviour yesterday.

You mentioned whacking your thumb with a hammer.

Well, an equivalent moment came for me when the "ladydog" word was removed from a piece of private correspondence. I am afraid I took great exception at the clunky, automatic, and quite inflexible nature in which it was done. It had something to do with my wish for freedom to talk to somebody without interference.

I did have a message for the people who instigated this censorship policy... it might have had some references to their brain cavities and their possible contents. Alas, my memory fails.

Martin

[Mariss Freimanis]

Geof,

Very interesting topic! First off, I reject anthropicism because I sense by design or intent it seeks to bifurcate us from nature. I reject that because I see us, humans, as being every part of nature just as everything else is. Nature, through evolution, brought us here as she did with all of her other creations, animate and inanimate.

Like you, I have wondered about the purpose and meaning of existence in personal terms and not. I lack the religious faith gene so I have had to come to terms with wondering about our existence without that helpful crutch. Let me run by you with what I have come up with as a plausible explanation:

Nature is characterized throughout with a deep and profound symmetry. Electrons have protons, magnetic north poles have south poles, we look in a mirror and we are laterally symmetrical. I won't belabor the list of endless other examples.

The laws of thermodynamics requires order to dissolve into thermal disorder. They are the most depressing laws of all the universe to my mind. I cannot accept that and I appeal to nature's symmetry instead, a seemingly just as strong law.

How about if because of symmetry, nature requires us to be, to exist? Us, human beings. What if we are required to balance nature's sublime scale to cancel every star that is churning with thermal chaos? What if our existence is required to balance entropy? Nature is at its core symmetrical. We are here now, not earlier, because entropy has advanced enough in our aging universe to require our presence. Why were we not here 10 million or a billion years ago if not for that? Dogs were, cats were. Why us now, why us not earlier?

Something to ponder. When we think we understand nature, there so much more we don't know.

Mariss

[Mariss Freimanis]

martinw,

Aw for chrissakes!:-) Who hasn't been caught-out having an off day? I know I have. What matters is what you do and say day in and day out. That is your true measure.

Mariss

[martinw]

Originally Posted by Mariss Freimanis martinw, Aw for chrissakes!:-) Who hasn't been caught-out having an off day? I know I have. What matters is what you do and say day in and day out. That is your true measure. Mariss

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Best wishes

Martin

[Mariss Freimanis]

Originally Posted by One of Many My read on some of these rhetorical volleys, looks quite suspicious that someone is arguing with their own alter-ego via XYZ for effect. Some of the exchanges might make it in a B movie script or soap opera, if they didn't read like such a fictional setup on the fly. DC

One of many,

Yeah, you have caught me out and you have my number. I enjoy people and I like talking to them. The open minded ones are a pleasure to discuss things with. The closed minded political ideologs like XYZ are more of a chore because there is no honest give and take with them. No alter-ego involved, just mine own. Straight from the heart, honest and just as I see it.

Funny moniker you have there; "One of Many". Why that name? What comes to mind is someone who hides in a crowd, seeks anonymity, doesn't want to be noticed. Wouldn't be my first, second or third choice.

Mariss