The Coming Climate Change

[jhowelb]

More rain!

[fizzissist]

"Alabama State Climatologist Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, served as a UN IPCC lead author in 2001 for the 3rd assessment report and detailed how he personally witnessed UN scientists attempting to distort the science for political purposes."

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/5064/M...Kyoto-Protocol

John Christy. A lead author of the AR3 for the IPCC. You need more credentials than that? A first hand witness to the conspiracy.

You need more evidence than that???

Huh, Jkirk??

See where the 100+ U.S. gov't reps spent over $2200/day in rooms and meals for their Copenhagen junket??? Oh, but they worked real hard. They worked so hard that nothing happened.

They couldn't negotiate a better room rate, but they want us to believe they can negotiate an international climate deal???

[dufas]

Originally Posted by fizzissist They speak as though the IPCC were someone else.... http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...allible-shock/

Did you read some of the reader's comments ??? There is everything from 'mistakes do not matter' to one guy looking forward to the day he wouldn't have been born......!! Another wants to go back to an agrarian society where people grow their own food and weave their own clothes and probably crap in a ditch in front of their hovel... Another blames capitalism for every ill that is in the world..

I find it humorous that these people that want to cut back to the bare bone are the first people to complain when tax revenues are low, or schools close because of lack of funds.

I guess we will have to back to the tax man riding up on his horse followed by a group of his peons who grab a couple of sheep or a goat or two as tax payment. If you don't have anything to pay to the state or the local landlord, it is off to tax prison to work off what one owes .................

[MadMacs]

Originally Posted by dpete While I applaud the people of Mass. for their vote, I stilll have to ask the question. What is it that we are waking up to? The last time people had a knee-jerk reaction to a need for change we ended up with this present lot. Seriously, does anyone have a real, viable plan for MEANINGFUL CHANGE?

I believe this sums it up:

Conservatives = Change for the sake of improvement

Liberals = Change for the sake of something fun and expensive for the government to do.

[millman52]

Since someone earlier picked at coal production........

I don't wish to jump on any of the "which energy is best" wagons. I just want a few basic questions answered.

Acording to the doe.gov in 2006 48.9%. Close enough to call it 1/2?? of the electricity in the US is generated by coal.

If carbon dioxide from the use of coal is a major cause of "GLOBAL WARMING"
Keep in mind the word GLOBAL not just US. China, USA, & India are the top 3 producers of coal & usage follows suit. After that you have Russia, Australia, South Africa, Germany, Poland, Ukrane, & Korea. How many of these are going to curtail production & use of coal. In the US Apx 1/3 of all CO2 Emissions are from transportation. Lets legislate out the gas guzzlers & mandate 40 & 50 MPG autos. I'd would say use electric autos but we no longer have enough electricity to charge the batteries.

CO2 is also generated by burning of natural gas & oil add in another 21.6% of our electricity.

But for argument sake lets just pick on coal. Mainly because gas & oil stocks are held by...... well I won't go there.

I would like to know what you are going to replace 50% of our electricity with in the next decade?

Then how are you going to replace all the lost jobs in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia, Alabama, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Oklahoma, Misouri, Arkansas, Michigan, & that's not all of the coal producing states. Now what about all the other industry & jobs that are lost because we don't want to use coal to generate electricity.

We can't even get enough windmill or other alternative power projects built to keep up with increased demand let alone cut back on coal fired power plants.

In my local area a very large wind farm already under construction has been "tree hugged" & "federal judged" into a no win situation for anyone.

Permits were applied for as early as 2005 & Beech Ridge owners have been fought in every way imaginable including potential reductions in property values, adverse effects on tourism, bat fatalities, claimed inefficiency of wind energy, tax benefits for wind factories, environmental degradation, and stresses on the local infrastructure

I'd almost bet that every one in opposition to these wind turbines have & use a cell phone & there is now a cell tower almost everywhere you look. Wouldn't many of the above concerns be made on cell towers too?? Nope they are not all grouped along together. They just spring up everywhere.

The Beech Ridge Wind Farm is a USD 300 million, 119-wind turbine wind farm under construction in Greenbrier County, West Virginia, in the United States. The 400 feet (120 m) tall wind turbines, each of which will generate 1.5 megawatts of electricity, will be scattered for 15 miles (24 km) along Shellcamp, Smokehouse, Beech, Rockcamp and Big ridges and Cold Knob, Old Field, Blue Knob and Nunly mountains. It will be served by a new 13.8 miles (22.2 km), 138 kilovolt power transmission line, to be located in Greenbrier and Nicholas counties. Total output for the project will be 186 megawatts.

Construction began in mid 2009 and by early December of that year, road building and site preparation was well advanced, and several turbines had been erected. However, a federal district judge ruled that while Invenergy could complete the construction of the 40 windmills currently under construction, others could not be built until the company applied for and received a permit to kill Indiana Bats from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. Further, the company may operate the existing 40 windmills only during winter months, when the bats are hibernating.

Any way that's enough ranting for 1 evening.

[307startup]

Wyoming is the largest coal producing state in the US. We also supply the majority of coal in the US for powerplant use. We also happen to have several coal-burning powerplants built in-state specifically for the production of power that is distributed directly to California...a clever way for them to receive the energy they need, with none of the environmental regulations and smog production directly affecting their state.

[Mariss Freimanis]

Start with the wrong premise and you wind up with the wrong answer.:-) You might want to start researching the relationship between CO2 and global temperatures. A good place to start is:

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Ca...s_climate.html

Secondly, you might want to put our current temperatures into context with the historical record. A good resource for that is:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/1...le/#more-14034

Mariss

[dufas]

Originally Posted by millman52 Any way that's enough ranting for 1 evening.

Shhhhhhhhh, don't inject logic into the situation, you'll offend some Liberal...Shhhhhh

[fizzissist]

Originally Posted by 307startup Wyoming is the largest coal producing state in the US. We also supply the majority of coal in the US for powerplant use. We also happen to have several coal-burning powerplants built in-state specifically for the production of power that is distributed directly to California...a clever way for them to receive the energy they need, with none of the environmental regulations and smog production directly affecting their state.

Wyoming is also to be the home for the new supercomputer that would have logically been located at Boulder....but since it uses so much power to compute and cool for its use in studying global warming .....it's going to be in Wyoming, because

...the power is cheaper. And I'm sure there's some pork involved..

[millman52]

I'm all for "VIABLE" alternative energy.

I just take exception to those shouting from a soapbox but don't have a real answer in their hip pocket either.

When a better method is found Coal, & Gas fired steam turbines will go extinct on their own without being green housed out of existence.. Nuclear will also go extinct when someone finds an energy source that will not endanger a snake, frog, scorpion, or bat.


I am not a coal miner but do run a business that produces new product that is 95% supported by the coal industry. Sure I'm just a small fish I employ from 5-7 other people. Those people & their children having food & clothes depends on coal.

Product I buy comes from all over the US & all of that is supported by coal.

Even the Geckodrives I own.. Coal too has purchased them.

[Mariss Freimanis]

Coal isn't a villain. It is an inexpensive and effective energy source. There are some amongst the global warming crowd who have proposed pumping millions of tons of sulfuric acid into the atmosphere to counteract said global warming. My modest suggestion is to burn more coal; it contains sulfur which forms sulfuric acid when burned. In this sense coal is the most environmentally friendly fossil fuel one can use.:-)

Mariss

[martinw]

A quick note from the UK. I just spotted this from The Times...Dr Vicky Pope, chief propagandist of our Met. Office, doing her best to reassure the peasants. Looks like they didn't like the "message"!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7005385.ece

A rather good read...