Global Warming Poll

[FBJR]

I think something that is lost is how resiliant the earth really is.

We let bacteria clean up oil spills and leaks. Remember the Exxon Valdez? They said it would take 25-50 years for the area to return to normal. 10 years later, there is hardly a sign of it.

There are more trees on earth now than we we started to keep tract, mostly because we plant them.

Conservation comes alot from demand as much as laws. We want more eff and that goes hand in hand with clean very often.

Humans are also part of this earth and our needs (and wants) have to be considered along with conservation.

[Prosper]

You are right, FBJR. We sometimes look at this World in a "human" perspective. I say human because we are quite ignorant in the mysteries of this World (Nature). We don't understand fully the mechanisms of what the recovery process of Nature is.
Also, there are so many things we cannot predict, guess this World is steep in mysteries that we humans will take a very long time to decipher and understand...but it makes it even more interesting precisely because of this enigma.
I am quite confident we as humans, will survive for a very long time. As long as we keep up our good works and we'll be all right for the future. We need to be nice to each other and be peaceable, share our ideas and apirations.
I wish all you "Happy Days ahead!!!"

[FBJR]

Originally Posted by Prosper You are right, FBJR. We sometimes look at this World in a "human" perspective. I say human because we are quite ignorant in the mysteries of this World (Nature). We don't understand fully the mechanisms of what the recovery process of Nature is. Also, there are so many things we cannot predict, guess this World is steep in mysteries that we humans will take a very long time to decipher and understand...but it makes it even more interesting precisely because of this enigma. I am quite confident we as humans, will survive for a very long time. As long as we keep up our good works and we'll be all right for the future. We need to be nice to each other and be peaceable, share our ideas and apirations. I wish all you "Happy Days ahead!!!"

I agree with all of that and dittos on the last line

[Michael4yah]

Cattle Flatulence and SUVs arent the problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that we are still in a solar maximun instead of the sun moving into its normal solar minimum like it should have years ago. For the last 2 years here in So Ca. we have had 103F degree days in the middle of DEMEMBER. Broke the record by nearly 20F!!!! There is nothing on this earth that can change things that rapidly. Absolutley nothing. The 1st thing we have to understand is that the movement of the outer planets OUTSIDE OF THEIR NORMAL ORBITS could not be caused by anything that goes on on this planet. The unabated huge SOLAR FLARES that have happened within the last 3-4 years are not caused by anything that is going on on or in this planet. Its totally an OUTSIDE form of interference. Physics teaches us: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." ( Newtons third law). To get planets to change their orbits even a little bit requires an interdiction of huge proportions to upset the balances of all the connecting forces that hold them together. I think its safe to say that the govt has been lying to us for many years about many many subjects. Global Warming us just one of them. There is ample historical evidence that a series of comets, asteroids, and even a large planet comes into contact with our solar system every 4,000 + - years. The Ancients wrote about them in detail. The Sumerian tablets recently found have extensive detail about these comets and the destruction to our planet that was left in their wake. Other ancient texts like the Kolbrin Bible have the same type of details that were left out of our Roman inspired bibles of today. All this info is out there, One just needs to use common sense and begin to think outside the box.
Michael

[Prosper]

Thanks Michael, and all those who are now seeing things in a better light, and using their common sense to do some research in a balanced way.
No doubt we should be aware of our slowly dwindling resources (although we still have enough for the forthcoming generations) and take care to use them wisely. We also should take steps to minimise or reduce our pollution. However, climate change has little to do with the present "climate change" People seem to be so worried about this climate change that they become so fearful. This fear always lead to panic and action that leads to our destruction if we don't be more aware. Fear always breed more fear and in the end, we destroy ourselves by our illogical actions. There are so many examples of this kind of attitude throughtout history of the human population that there is no need for me to mention them.
However, instead of now trying to think of how to overcome and adapt to the coming changes, we are all squabbling over thoeries that we know to be incorrect. We need to think of ways to make this climate change work for us to our advantage, and also make the necessary changes in some places to survive. By doing so, we are going to benefit and also enjoy the advantages of the change in our environment. Remember that change occurs in the normal course of our ever "evolving" environment and there are occurances in the Universe that we, as humans, cannot change.

[sdantonio]

Hi Michael,

You’re actually mixing 2 different cycles. The sunspot cycle, which is responsible for the majority of solar flares, is scheduled to hit maxima in about 2010 or 2011 (I forget which year). The last maxima, in the late 1990’s, (it’s an 11 year cycle) were responsible for wide ranging outages of cell phones, satellite feeds and even power outages. Sunspots are relatively cool spots on the suns surface. When they collapse the result in solar prominences or flares (for the larger sun spots). This results in the release on massive proton ejecta, which then wreaks havoc with electrical systems on earth (providing we are in the way of the ejecta). It’s also responsible for the aurora (the proton hitting oxygen and nitrogen in the upper atmosphere). Considering how much more dependent we are now of delicate electronics like computers, 2010-2011 is going to be an interesting time.

There is another cycle, a 40-year cycle for the total energy output of the sun. This cycle is currently near it’s maximum. A Canadian solar physicist released a paper the other week stating proof that all the global warming effects (which in reality amounts to a mean temperature increase on 0.5 degrees worldwide) are due to this 40-year cycle. I haven’t read his paper yet, so I’m a little skeptical. Not that the global warming effects are due to the cycle, but that he has found a way to separate this cycle from the other possible variables.

As an interesting side note, the South Africans were complaining about the low turnout for the Al Gore Live Earth concerts due to snow and unseasonably cold weather. You just can’t rely on that global warming.

However, I do like blaming things on the cows if I can. It gets the PETA people really agitated.

[sdantonio]

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...ec_cycle24.htm

Look at the graph about half way down the page (smoothed sunspot cycle), were actually at a pretty low spot for the past few years. But it's going to geg bumpy soon.

I this brief writeup the protons I alluded to are lumped together in the general term ions.

[Michael4yah]

Prosper, not informing the public as to how to protect themselves is criminal. Not telling them what is going to happen is also criminal. We in this country have faced Civil War, 2 World Wars, and the Great Depression. Fear did not cause widespread panic or cause us to become paralyzed. We did what we needed to do to survive and PREVAIL. If the public is informed the same way as was the news of all those aforementioned wars etc. I think the vast majority of people will be more interested in surviving than rioting.
Forget about the envoirnment. It will be years before anything remotely resembling an enviornment will emerge. After this passage we will pick up the pieces and go on. Unfortunately most within 100 miles of an ocean or large body of water will not survive. If you look at the worlds population you will see that the vast majority of people live within 100 miles of a shoreline. Hence the overpopulation remedy that so many are clamoring for. If they are not told to move closer to the interrior of the country they will be lost. Think Im making all this up? Take a look at how many of the U. S Government agencies have already moved inland. Now ask yourself why.
Michael

[martinw]

[QUOTE=sdantonio;317992] You just can’t rely on that global warming.

QUOTE]

Dear Steven,

Over here in the UK, we had a really hot April.

Out came the "Global Warming" people.. "Obvious proof, "we told you so "etc.

May and June were pretty cold and miserable, and a bit rainy.

Out came the "Climate Change" people. They were the same people of course, plucking dodgy data to support their very lucrative industry.

They simply will not go away.

Best wishes

Martin

[Geof]

Originally Posted by sdantonio ......The sunspot cycle, which is responsible for the majority of solar flares, is scheduled to hit maxima in about 2010 or 2011 (I forget which year).....This results in the release on massive proton ejecta, which then wreaks havoc with electrical systems on earth (providing we are in the way of the ejecta)........There is another cycle, a 40-year cycle for the total energy output of the sun. This cycle is currently near it’s maximum. A Canadian solar physicist released a paper the other week stating proof that all the global warming effects (which in reality amounts to a mean temperature increase on 0.5 degrees worldwide) are due to this 40-year cycle......

Here are some IFs. After all if the Global Warming Crowd are allowed to play the if - then game and predict doom and gloom surely I can do the same.

There are a number of scientists who are of the opinion that solar flare activity also acts to reduce the cosmic ray flux hitting the Earth. And because cosmic rays may have an influence on cloud formation a reduced flux could cause a reduced cloud cover which could decrease the Earth's albedo which could contribute to warming.

So we are moving toward a period of enhanced solar flare activity...therefore there is warming from reduced cloud cover and we are at the maximum, or mid point (?) of an increased solar energy output...so therefore it is a double whammy.

But all good (?) things come to an end. In ten years time we should be in a low solar flare condition...i.e. lots of (or at least more) clouds and at the same time we will be well into the decline of the 40 year solar energy cycle...so double downward whammy.

If it all comes to pass it will be interesting to see how the gloom and doomers rationalise it. Of course if it doesn't come to pass I guess a lot of people will have waterfront property facing the wrong way.

[sdantonio]

Geoff,

Excellent "IF Game". I like the way you think. The only point I would make is that is the past 10 years or so the sun has become noticeably dimmer (noticeable to very sensitive scientific instruments). This is due to soot (particulates) in the atmosphere. I have no idea at all how much this would counter the effect of the reduced cloud formation, if at all.

So do we hurry up and pump more soot into the air. I think this would have it's own problems.

There was a study just released today. One of the global warming folks big "if's" is the possible melting of the Greenland glacier (sea levels rise, mass panic, Las Vegas gets flooded, Elvis returns, etc). According to this study, in the last big global warming event 169,000 years ago) where the mean temp of the earth went up 9 degrees, the majority of this ice sheet stayed intact and didn't melt. I didn't listen to carefully to the report, but it was based on DNA analysis of organisms trapped in the glacier and using that to identify the organisms and then extrapolate back to how thick the glacier was when they were trapped.

Looks like I'm not getting my beach front property any time soon (going to be stuck 50 miles inland I guess)

[sdantonio]

Originally Posted by Michael4yah If you look at the worlds population you will see that the vast majority of people live within 100 miles of a shoreline. Hence the overpopulation remedy that so many are clamoring for. If they are not told to move closer to the interrior of the country they will be lost. Think Im making all this up? Take a look at how many of the U. S Government agencies have already moved inland. Now ask yourself why. Michael

Wow, that explains why last week I saw the White house on the back of a flatbed truck with a sign saying "Ohio or bust" on the back. And of course Haliburton blew up the levies in New Orleans by planting dynamite underwater because George Bush hates African Americans. Of course this can't be proven or disproven because the only way to see under water is with mask and snorkel and the government didn't issue masks and snorkels to the residents of NOLA. More population control theories brought to you by the far left bloggers... sewing the seeds of terror worldwide. (I think that one was from the Michael Moore blog, but I could be wrong about the source).

Sorry, I just can't let this one go by.