Global Warming Poll

[Geof]

Well then what on earth are you getting at. If your examples of changes are postulations of something that might happen eons in the future they are totally non-pertinent to the current discussion.

[Mariss Freimanis]

The question was "Do you like global warming?" I answered yes, palm trees in Alaska would be nice. You start in about stuff being underwater and 120F. So, what on earth are you getting at?

Mariss

[Geof]

Originally Posted by Mariss Freimanis The question was "Do you like global warming?" I answered yes, palm trees in Alaska would be nice. You start in about stuff being underwater and 120F. So, what on earth are you getting at? Mariss

Somebody else mentioned the 120F.

Okay if you are talking about something that takes place outside a human time frame how can you call it a change. If the warming is so imperceptible that humans do not notice it then it is not changing. Your palm trees in Alaska bit is not pertinent. If there had been a change eons ago outside human perception such that Alaska was covered in palm trees now that would have always been the case from a human viewpoint so it would be no change.

But you said "imagine..." and I did and I came up with a negative counter to your imagine but then you ridicule my imagine so is your's any less ridiculous?

[Mariss Freimanis]

That's the problem with the internet. All that passes between people is written words while neither can hear the tone of voice or see the facial expressions of the other. Were you able to see and hear me you would know irony, not ridicule was intended. I respect you and what you post to ever intentionally demean or ridicule you. It's not in my nature.

Mariss

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by Mariss Freimanis How about Greenland and Antarctica ice-free? How about most of Siberia and Canada becoming habitable? Mariss

wow!
hadn t thought about that
global warming may be a great thing for us in Canada , we can ditch the skidoo's , it will be heart breaking to shoot the dog sled teams but with not having to feed them we could afford cars and trucks ,well , once we build roads and highways . the possibilities are endless , we could live like the rest of the world does

and fly fishing on open water will be great , i can t tell you how difficult it is to flick the fly line down that lil hole in the ice

[Geof]

Originally Posted by dertsap wow! hadn t thought about that global warming may be a great thing for us in Canada , we can ditch the skidoo's , it will be heart breaking to shoot the dog sled teams but with not having to feed them we could afford cars and trucks ,well , once we build roads and highways . the possibilities are endless , we could live like the rest of the world does and fly fishing on open water will be great , i can t tell you how difficult it is to flick the fly line down that lil hole in the ice

dertsap No!!!! All our Igloos will melt, then where will we live? And the Inuktuks will also sink into the mush from the permafrost melting so we will not have landmarks to guide us when we are hunting Polar bears.

[Mariss Freimanis]

And your fish won't be monotonously monochrome either.

Mariss

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by Geof Inuktuks

may want to be carefull how you use that word ,the olympic commity probably has copyright to it along with everything else that they had claimed including "2010" , i think we'll have to skip that year due to the fact any calendar makers like hallmark will face lawsuits or something stupid like that

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by Mariss Freimanis And your fish won't be monotonously monochrome either. Mariss

donno bout that

man cannot create colors similar to the rainbows i was nailing into a couple weeks ago ,
beautiful !

[FBJR]

If there is, do you really think we can do much about it?

No

We can't make it rain where we want at anytime, how in the heck are we causing global warming?

Do I like clean air, yes. Do I like cleaner cars and industry, yes.

Clean happens via the market (and some laws) since people buy cleaner (IE:efficient) and industry responds with more products. Attrition does a fair job in this area too.

I see our kids being brainwashed in this area too, and MANY ADULTS!!!

[Wade]

So, if carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up. Who should we blame, the oil producing countries, or the oil using countries? Seems that if they hadn't pumped the oil out of the ground, it would still be sequestered.

In the war on drugs, we blame the producers (liberals are the users), in the war on global warming we blame the users.

[Prosper]

It really depends on where you are living if and when "global warming" occurs. I said "if" because scientists or our "learned" people always seem to "discover" certain ideas. these ideas sometimes they catch on and influence others, and in turn cause others much confusion. Yet, most "learned" people are so specialised that often, they fail to look at the big picture. I believe that solar activity is causing this climate change and it may not necessarily be permanent.
Personally, I think that we have a lot more to learn about our environment and to be at one with nature, this being that we try to have less impact on our environment and try to be sustainable in the long term. We are also at loggerheads with ourselves as to the changing nature of our environment. We also do not have sufficient data to prove or disprove certain events that are occuring now with respect to climate change. First of all, is our climate really changing, or is it just a short term phenomenon. Other planets are also being affected by this solar activity.
However, we still need to be comfortable and be able to enjoy ourselves, otherwise what is the purpose of living in this world?
there are others, of coursel that will make a lving out of the fear we have of climate change...the most recent major problem we had was the Y2K fear. I happened to work in the IT industry at that time, and found that much of the fear people had was quite unfounded. There were many people who thought that the world was going to end, that airplanes were going to just fall out of the sky, and all machines were going to go haywire the moment the clock strike midnight in the year 2000, .... etc. There was so much fear that many IT professionals made a huge profit from that fear and user ignorance. My advice to many was just shut down their computers on the last day of December 1999, and when they switch on the computers on new year's day 2000, and reset the date to 2000 in the BIOS. Most later model computers that were not Y2K compliant (that is, the date cannot roll over to 2000 automatically, ) would accept the new date and continue working. Only very few older computers cannot accept the year 2000 in their BIOS. Remember that in 1999, many computers were Intel Pentiums and their BIOS were quite advanced. Of course some software cannot accomodate the year 2000 in their program, but program shortcoming can be modified accordingly.
I have lived many years, and have seen numerous occurances of fear mongering by people who should know better. Some do that to gain profit from fear, but some are just plain ignorant. I am sure with this "global warming or climate change fear' we are going to see a number of people getting rich from "carbon" trading, and also others profiting from the "greening of the envoronment". All consumers will get are higher prices, and a lower standard of living, and the environment getting the crumbs.
These sorts of examples are plentiful throughout history, and if anybody care to do some research, they will uncover them easily. Of course, recent events can be masked by red tape, or perhaps some records may never see the light of day due to national security or some FOI rulings.
But common sense should prevail .... although someone once said that common sense is not so common after all.
One way or another, I do not fear climate change. I think that it is grossly irresponsible for anyone to spread rumours of our oceans rising and covering cities etc. and causing widespread choas as a direct result of climate change.