Kyoto versus basic human rights

[HuFlungDung]

I was dismayed to hear on the news some prediction of home heating fuels doubling in price by 2010, the cost being somehow attributed to the cost of conforming to the Kyoto agreement.

I thought the prices were already high enough, thank you very much

So as a result of that, I've been wondering where do our basic human rights cut in and supercede this Kyoto Krapola? In most of Canada, there is a need, and it should be a right to heat your home for a good portion of the year. Taxes on the fuels used in that manner should be refunded.

Attempting to exact some sort of environmental penalty from a homeowner exercising a basic human right is an atrocity. Its akin to taxing the air you breathe out, because there is CO2 in it. It is akin to taxing your groceries.

It may be that some sort of 'basic unit of home heating' needs to be derived as a basis for the tax free threshold on fuel consumption.

Maybe I'm over-reacting?

[Geof]

Originally Posted by HuFlungDung I was dismayed to hear on the news some prediction of home heating fuels doubling in price by 2010, .......etc, etc Maybe I'm over-reacting?

Nah, you just live someplace that is really too cold for human habitation.

[HuFlungDung]

Geof,

Maybe I should start buying up scrap magnesium doodads and spend my evenings turning them into chips. I hear that stuff burns pretty good, might be the new fuel of choice for machinists ?

[Geof]

Originally Posted by HuFlungDung Geof, Maybe I should start buying up scrap magnesium doodads and spend my evenings turning them into chips. I hear that stuff burns pretty good, might be the new fuel of choice for machinists ?

It would be a better economic proposition to sell the scrap magnesium and use the income to buy fuel oil.

Or depending on how many machines you have building, your house above the shop and run 24 hour shifts so you get the waste heat from the machines.

That would have the added advantage you would be so irritated by the machine noise and so stressed out by running a business 24 hours a day you wouldn't have time to fuss about Kyoto taxes.

[Konstantin]

This could be an incentive for building an eolic plant (plenty of DIY designs) and fitting it mostly with dump loads. Revise the isolation of the home and maybe using existing and new forms for home heating.
Have you heard of infrared heating panels?

Have you heard about the Zero-Point energy? Its interesting. Concerning heating things up there is a water heater that allegedly uses less energy to create steam from water, the output heat is greater in sum that the energy put into the electric motor that spins the device. You could find many videos about this on Youtube.

Konstantin.

P.S.
By 2010 things are going to be so bad that the perspective of paying taxes wont even be on the horizon. The Sun's activity is building up and is going to peak by 2012, which is coincidentally the end date of the Aztec's calendar. The Sun activity affects everything, with the global warming being only one of the issues, the sanity of man is another issue, with more wars on the horizon the global tension could well explode into the ww3.
I know my reply is apocalyptic happy and goes beyond your topic and imho the alternative energy sources are worth checking.

[dynosor]

You Canadians only think of your own comfort. What about the bunnies?




I would love to see several websites based on the idea that warm is good:


www.siberiansforglobalwarming.com


www.scandanaviansförglobalwarming.org


www.justsaynotocapandtrade.co.ca


www.kyotoharakiri.co.jp


Swift Vets for Truth on John Kerry and Global Warming
http://www.swiftvets.com/

[NinerSevenTango]

You can get free power from the earth just by flying a kite on the end of a wire. And you can get free power from thermocouples, too.

Now that's alternative energy.

--97T--

[fizzissist]

I'm going to start selling carbon credits to fund my solar array of 400million Type R thermocouples that will power my porch light.

[Geof]

And I thought my two posts were flippant and not helpful. Obviously I am well out of the running.

[thkoutsidthebox]

Originally Posted by HuFlungDung I was dismayed to hear on the news some prediction of home heating fuels doubling in price by 2010, the cost being somehow attributed to the cost of conforming to the Kyoto agreement. I thought the prices were already high enough, thank you very much Maybe I'm over-reacting?

Your not, because taxes on conventional fuels should be offset by tax breaks and allowances on alternative fuels.

The people in developed countries no longer control their destinys and democracy is a veil and is becoming essentially a myth. The politicians are either so removed from average everyday life, or so entwined in their donation contributors pockets that they pass laws just for the sake of passing laws and maintaining the veil of necessity for their position. Protests and marches do nothing because the politicians dont care. Do you really think that Joe Minister on 1/4 million € per year cares if you walk outside his office for an hour, in the rain, with a wooden placard?

Over here we had manageable (As in we could make the payments) energy prices until a few years ago when they introduced an 'Energy Regulator'. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but it's since proven that the regulator is only there to rubber stamp and provide an air of necessity to the consecutive price increases we have suffered.
Oil prices went up --- energy prices went up.
Oil prices came down --- energy prices went up.

We have since learned that the government has been artificially increasing energy prices in order to attract private companies and competition into the Irish energy market.....
.....Now thats a misnomer if ever I heard one....we want competition to reduce prices but the prices are so low no private companies will come in, so lets pump up the prices by 100's of % until we have private competition, then they might drop by a few tens of %. This is not a joke, its what they've done in Ireland for the last 7 or 8 years. When will they learn....PRIVATISING PUBLIC UTILITIES DOESN'T WORK!!!!
At least it doesn't work in a very small and limited economy like Irelands. There is just not enough people to have effective competition in large scale operations.

The people we elect dont give a damn about us, pollution, or anything else.

For some things I'm an optimist, for others, I'm a pessimist, what ya gonna do!

Off topic, sorry.

[fizzissist]

Originally Posted by Geof That would have the added advantage you would be so irritated by the machine noise and so stressed out by running a business 24 hours a day you wouldn't have time to fuss about Kyoto taxes.

Working 14-16 hour days and running a bank of screw machines had me more worried about my ears ringing and my feet killing me.....never mind worrying about recievables....There was beer for that.

[sdantonio]

Originally Posted by HuFlungDung I was dismayed to hear on the news some prediction of home heating fuels doubling in price by 2010

That's why god made sweaters, they grow wild in Walmarts and other places.