A convenient lie

[Wade]

I my continuing effort to pull the wool from over your eyes.

A nice story about Gore's Family, and it's damage to the environment: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=17685

For those of you that want to see Gore's House in Belle Meade Tenn: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...t=h&iwloc=addr

And, Gore's Farm: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...6,0.113983&t=h

Oh wait, why doesn't google have better resolution of this area, maybe because there's a huge mine tailing out on the back of the property, and it looks bad. But, why would Google care, maybe because Gore is on the board of directors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore

New Environmentalism is mostly a religion. And, what are religions best known for starting?

[DirtDobber]

The most convenient lie, as originally posted is
PROFIT WITHOUT INVESTMENT

We've (maybe) read about carbon cap and trade emissions and how utilities will be able to sell them to each other.
(insert loud voluminous bovine methane flatulence here, if not pc think of it as a cow fart)

Now what bugs me is: Did they buy these carbon credits? They did not is the correct answer. They were created from foofoo juice! It is a fiat carbon tax in that consumers will pay increased rates from something the utility never bought or invested in at the start.
It seems like a defacto rate increase without base generation increase or investment in efficiency.

Basically the consumer is buying carbon based emissions power granted to utilities, if you see what I'm getting at, lobbied for and not purchased. By shutting down older less efficient utilization facilities, utilities will have enormous windfall profits from (you guessed it)
carbon based hot air

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by vacpress .... i personally am willing to pay the same $7/gallon they pay for gasoline in sweden, if we can have 75% of sweden's style. OK?

Vacpress,

I am happy that you can afford $7/gal for gas. What about those at the bottom of the food chain than would fold because of the extra cost? Should they just go on welfare?

I think there had better be a darn good reason before they tax the heck out of gas in the US. Sorry, global warming is not a convincing reason. ENRON petitioned for ratification of the Kyoto protocol, so who would be enriched by new gas taxes at our expense; to achieve exactly what?

You complain about attitudes towards pollution: Just because some of us don’t consider carbon dioxide pollution does not mean we don’t care about real pollutants;
such as CO, SO2, NOX & VOCs etc.

[fizzissist]

CO2 is a pollutant...when it is a pollutant. So far, it remains to be seen whether it is.

As to living in a Swedish lifestyle, you'll be paying Swedish taxes...currently at about the 48% bracket.

I don't have a problem with $7/gal...I have a problem with the oil companies making record profits (which in a supply and demand economy should be expected) when they get taxpayer subsidies....and the amount of taxes from each gallon being excessive.

We have here in Reno some of the highest gas prices in the country....without the fine quality roads to show for the high taxes we pay. Proof that higher gas taxes DO NOT equate to a) a cleaner environment or b) better roads or transportation.

[NinerSevenTango]

Now if CO2 can be branded as a pollutant, and widely accepted as such, then by your very act of breathing you have assisted in the rebirth of the concept of Original Sin.

Now if we can only do something about the huge quantity of unregulated DiHydrogen Monoxide being carelessly released into our precious waterways.

--97T--

[fizzissist]

Labeling CO2 as a pollutant must imply ownership, and that leads us down a nasty slippery slope...

I have to pay you for releasing 'too much'....and then I have to pay you for the CO2 you release that feeds my crops?

[11bravo]

this turned out to be much longer than I thought it would, but...
that's what high-speed is for.

From post #5: in order to make $$ for their very wealthy owners and boardmembers and large shareholders

Well, they're not in business to lose money for their owners, boardmembers, and shareholders.
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From post #17: i would call it machivellian, but really it is just greedy. i suppose this guy would fancy himself machivellian if he was inclined to think in such terms.

Why is it that folks on what appears to be your side tend to resort to demeaning name calling?
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From post # 30: it is not fair

Fair?
Who promised you fair?
I want some too; it's only fair.
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From post #37: in germany, and lots of places in europe, many\most people involved in what i am get a portion of their equipment and facilities paid for.

So move there.
Not saying "America, love it or leave it" but if you're so unhappy with "here" and "there" is so good, go.
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From post #38: The main cause of global warming is C02 which traps the suns energy in the atmosphere and leads to increased temperatures.

This is, at best, a very shaky hypothesis.
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From post #50: hemmingway and\or frank lloyd wright

How much do you suppose they got from the government for being "artists"?
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From post #56: go back to guarding your land with your guns

What does gun ownership have to do with anything in this thread?
Perhaps because folks that look at things from the angle you seem to tend to look at gun owners as less than cultured and intelligent?
Not unlike your view of "non-artists".
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From post #63: Vacpress runs rings around the lot of you in the way he composes his posts

Really?
I don't see it.
I see him throwing out statements to be challenged but I don't see him countering those challenges.
I see him pretty much just throwing out anti-establishment talking points.
I see him being condescending to those of unlike mind.
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From post #75: I am happy that you can afford $7/gal for gas. What about those at the bottom of the food chain than would fold because of the extra cost? Should they just go on welfare?

Of course not.
See, the reason for $7/gal gas will be taxes.
What we'll do is use those taxes to create a fund to hand out money to people so they can buy that $7/gas and pay the tax to sustain the fund.
Easy.

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See post #62
Actually, that does sound kind of cool.
Post a vid when you get it done.

[Wade]

Is Global Warming really nothing more than Global Equalization?

Socialism. hmmm.