The cause?

[Bill Johns]

http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Well fella's these new industrial strength "smog trails" are not your dads contrails of the past, you know in the days the old DC-7's droned by with
blazing turbo-cyclones only burning about 400 gallons or so an hour, as compaired to burning 2000 to 3000 gallons an hour like nowadays. But don't fear, those airlines don't have to pay too much for that Kerosene that you have to pay as much as $7 per gallon for your kerosene heater. I know for a fact that in 1973, yes the days the gas lines started and the price shot up around $.70 or so per gallon of gas, the airlines were getting their "gas" for

.03 a gallon.
How's that???? We are paying for it. That is why we now get to pay close to $4. a gallon of gas. Oh and if those nice jets have too much fuel at landing time. It gets dumped outa those wing tips. So that is why some may think the wings cause the smog trails. And guess where all that nice fuel ends up, you guessed right where they tell us not to dump such things, down the storm drains and then a mystery oil slick appears on the local lake, and no one knows where it came from, and you never get told what they found out about it. These new crap trails are not condensation, as that will disperse quickly. These are deliberatly sprayed and the proof is the aircraft doing it are not even flying the victor airways, so that is proof they are not commercial planes, yes some do fly the airways, but as many don't.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by NinerSevenTango .....Which turns instantly into long-lasting ice crystals...

Not always, sometimes everything re-evaporates either down to a particle size too small to scatter white light or completely to vapor within a few hundred plane lengths.

I think if you looked into the aerodynamics of the shuttle it flys with a very high angle of attack and all the way down has the very low top-of-the-wing pressure which I said can cause condensation in the air flow.

And seeing that you are giving Gas Law details about the low altitude effect yes an adiabatic drop in pressure also causes a drop in temperature.

[Geof]

I see now we are onto *****CHEMTRAILS***** Tah Dah.

[NinerSevenTango]

Originally Posted by Geof Not always, sometimes everything re-evaporates either down to a particle size too small to scatter white light or completely to vapor within a few hundred plane lengths. I think if you looked into the aerodynamics of the shuttle it flys with a very high angle of attack and all the way down has the very low top-of-the-wing pressure which I said can cause condensation in the air flow. And seeing that you are giving Gas Law details about the low altitude effect yes an adiabatic drop in pressure also causes a drop in temperature.

Yes, it all depends on the conditions. But visible contrails up high generally last relatively long because the ice has to sublimate.

--97T--

[NinerSevenTango]

Originally Posted by Bill Johns http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm Well fella's these new industrial strength "smog trails" are not your dads contrails of the past, you know in the days the old DC-7's droned by with blazing turbo-cyclones only burning about 400 gallons or so an hour, as compaired to burning 2000 to 3000 gallons an hour like nowadays. But don't fear, those airlines don't have to pay too much for that Kerosene that you have to pay as much as $7 per gallon for your kerosene heater. I know for a fact that in 1973, yes the days the gas lines started and the price shot up around $.70 or so per gallon of gas, the airlines were getting their "gas" for .03 a gallon. How's that???? We are paying for it. That is why we now get to pay close to $4. a gallon of gas. Oh and if those nice jets have too much fuel at landing time. It gets dumped outa those wing tips. So that is why some may think the wings cause the smog trails. And guess where all that nice fuel ends up, you guessed right where they tell us not to dump such things, down the storm drains and then a mystery oil slick appears on the local lake, and no one knows where it came from, and you never get told what they found out about it. These new crap trails are not condensation, as that will disperse quickly. These are deliberatly sprayed and the proof is the aircraft doing it are not even flying the victor airways, so that is proof they are not commercial planes, yes some do fly the airways, but as many don't.

Ah, yes, the Illuminati depopulation campaign. Or, the top secret project to combat global warming. Or, the seeding project to turn the air into a plasma so HAARP can control the weather. Fascinating.

What makes you think commercial flights have to fly victor airways? And why is it, when three or more contrails cross at a common point, nobody questions whether they are using the old technology and nobody checks an aero chart to see if there is a VOR underneath? And why is it that nobody seems to catch on that those parallel tracks would be made by a succession of planes following the same path in a river of moving air? Anyway, it was good reading. I especially like the fact that every ice rainbow is proof of ethylene dibromide. Tasty!

http://travel.howstuffworks.com/question192.htm
100 miles per gallon per passenger when fully loaded. Much more efficient than older planes. And no, they don't dump fuel unless it's an emergency. Requiring a lot of paperwork.

--97T--

[Bill Johns]

The 747 deal, your missing the whole point. With IC recip that milage will more than double.
Just observe those smog trails, they expand to cover the whole sky.
Just watch.

[NinerSevenTango]

Not in my IC recip it won't. If I have to go more than a few hundred miles, a jet is the way to go. Besides, time is money.

Jets wouldn't be in use if they weren't economically superior (efficient). And they are. Huge, lumbering piston powered monsters are a weakness of mine (gotta love that sound), but it just costs too much to keep them in the air.

--97T--

[fizzissist]

Originally Posted by NinerSevenTango Jets wouldn't be in use if they weren't economically superior (efficient). And they are. Huge, lumbering piston powered monsters are a weakness of mine (gotta love that sound), but it just costs too much to keep them in the air. --97T--

Probably the same thing as with Harleys....not efficient, but who cares? Chicks love that V-Twin Throb between their legs....We love that round-motor thunder!

[NinerSevenTango]

And I'm sure the nannies would like to get rid of my personal aircraft and my 450 HP car, too. They'll tell us what we NEED, and confiscate everything else.

--97T--

[fizzissist]

Originally Posted by NinerSevenTango And I'm sure the nannies would like to get rid of my personal aircraft and my 450 HP car, too. They'll tell us what we NEED, and confiscate everything else. --97T--

All the environmentalists want you to get rid of your personal CO2 spewing aircraft. Guys like John Travolta, John Kerry, Sting,......no, they're not special, they need theirs for work. We just don't understand.