Did I miss something??

[nicad]

How in the world is "global warming" at all related to CNC?
Sure, sometimes members want to talk about things other than CNC, but isn't that what areas like the Club House are for?

I could remotely see, that if global warming was a re-occurring or hot topic among the members here, that this area would be created for an open exchange of information and ideas, but the title: "Stop Global Warming Discussion Forum" already denotes a bias opinion that Global warming exists and should be stopped.

Did I miss something?
Colin

[Demon440]

I thought it was kind of strange myslef.

[dertsap]

actually cnc manufacturing has a large impact on the environment , the impact that mining has is substantial , something we as machinists and consumers need , as a whole cnc metal working machines hold a large amount of coolant ,and consume large amounts of lube oils , the fact they call the coolants environmentally friendly is a joke , someone should see the shrubs around our chip dumpster
where do these oils and coolants go after guys are done mopping the floors ,

then we get back to recycling the scrap material which is a green idea but is it ,its another dirty process
most companies are honest but what is the impact of the one that aren't


plus the key factor to the new forum is the man who owns the site wants it

[massajamesb]

plus the key factor to the new forum is the man who owns the site wants it[/QUOTE]

Q: who does the company owner turn his vacation request in to?
A: no one.

[CNCadmin]

Originally Posted by nicad How in the world is "global warming" at all related to CNC? Sure, sometimes members want to talk about things other than CNC, but isn't that what areas like the Club House are for? I could remotely see, that if global warming was a re-occurring or hot topic among the members here, that this area would be created for an open exchange of information and ideas, but the title: "Stop Global Warming Discussion Forum" already denotes a bias opinion that Global warming exists and should be stopped. Did I miss something? Colin

Let me answer that for ya....IT'S MY SITE AND I CAN DO AND SAY WHAT EVERY I WANT ...hope that helps.

[CNCadmin]

Originally Posted by dertsap actually cnc manufacturing has a large impact on the environment , the impact that mining has is substantial , something we as machinists and consumers need , as a whole cnc metal working machines hold a large amount of coolant ,and consume large amounts of lube oils , the fact they call the coolants environmentally friendly is a joke , someone should see the shrubs around our chip dumpster where do these oils and coolants go after guys are done mopping the floors , then we get back to recycling the scrap material which is a green idea but is it ,its another dirty process most companies are honest but what is the impact of the one that aren't plus the key factor to the new forum is the man who owns the site wants it

Excellent points!

[ImanCarrot]

As an aside.. I used to work at a large Defence company here in the UK. Well, with all the legislation concerning environmental stuff they brought in ISO14000 which means you have to (as much as possible) produce your product with minimal environmental impact.

We made missiles... environmentaly friendly missiles? I thought they were meant to blow the blinking environment up!

[massajamesb]

Originally Posted by CNCadmin Let me answer that for ya....IT'S MY SITE AND I CAN DO AND SAY WHAT EVERY I WANT ...hope that helps.

[mreish]

Originally Posted by nicad ...already denotes a bias opinion that Global warming exists and should be stopped. Did I miss something?

Apparently so.

[nicad]

Originally Posted by CNCadmin Let me answer that for ya....IT'S MY SITE AND I CAN DO AND SAY WHAT EVERY I WANT ...hope that helps.

Thanks for clearing it up.

[b4500@dtcc.edu]

Global Warming...... ask the people in the mid west that just got slammed by one of the worse ice storms in their recent history.... ask them where global warming is when you need it! And just for the uninformed the planet has been steadily warming since um..... I don't know..... hmmmm......THE LAST ICE AGE. Liberal yee-haws. Stick to what you seem to know best. CNC machines

Respectfully,

John

P.S if anyone wants to have an informed debate about the topic, I will be more than willing to wax that butt both factually and philosophically.

[mattes12]

I live in the Midwest. And let me tell you, winter took a long time to get here. I wasn't even close to having a White Christmas. It was depressing almost, how warm it was for a while. Mentioning single examples of outlying weather is bunk (and manipulative and irritating too), and it goes against what the definition of a "climate" really is - an average. Even besides that, "global warming" is a broad statement for what really adds up to "climate change." Some parts might warm, some parts might cool, but generally, we're changing our environment way too quickly, with some ruinous effects (e.g. ecosystems). The uncertainty of what's going to happen is really the worst part.

After using my father's TAIG MicroMill to make countless circuit boards for power electronics designs, I decided to build my own custom CNC mill for less money than one could be bought. I used threaded rod from Home Depot coupled with rollerblade bearings and angle brackets held together with JB-Weld, $5 surplus stepper motors, and my own custom control box. I used no plans - everything was totally from scratch, with no help from anyone. It isn't completed yet, but I've got one-axis movement right now, and plan to finish it sometime soon. It's not super-accurate but it's what I need for PCBs.

What would I use these PCBs for, you ask? I'm building an AC induction motor controller for my grandfather's electric car. [My grandfather helped restore Mrs. Henry Ford's personal electric car for the Henry Ford Museum.] It's currently been a six-year project, and the car does run right now, but I need to make some further improvements in the electronics (a multilevel converter if any of you has any clue what that means).

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/awmatt/lab.html
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/awmatt/pcbdev.html

I also used my great-grandfather's lathe to machine some other parts:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/awmatt/mech.html

Obviously, I find EVs a fun hobby. But my convictions to renewable energy are very strong. I try to be a logical person (my mind is technical, as you can tell), and I also have learned, through my renewable energy interest, to see past the cover some individuals put up to confuse or manipulate me.

I have no doubt human-activity-induced global warming is occuring right now - in fact I don't see how it could be avoided given the huge amount of greenhouse gases we're emitting. We're just putting the earth back to the way it was to begin with - hot and with a thick atmosphere (read uninhabitable). Having 2005 be the warmest year on record (almost tied with 1998) frightens me. The second link below says, "Astonishingly, every single year since 1992 is in the current list of the 20 warmest years on record." There is just no way this is due to something random, and no large volcanoes have gone off recently either. I don't see how this could be more obvious; I really don't. Being a jerk about it and denying it doesn't make you any smarter - researching it might. I personally don't get too much pleasure from having power to say whatever I want, no matter how ridiculous, on "my own forum," but if some people do, I guess that's fine (though irresponsible at best). I do like to share my ideas and successes when they're backed with a lot of hard scientific research and hands-on development.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...dtemp2005.html
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...gerprints.html

In addition to my personal EV hobby, and also building a DC motor controller for someone else as a semi-open-source project, I'm the president of the Michigan State University Solar Car Team. On Thursday we're planning to inherit the GM EV1 from the University's storage facility. I personally plan to restore the car's electronics and get it to run. Lots of students are excited about this - it's a very positive experience, and the wave of the future (as we're quickly running out of oil, since we're so wasteful with it). This is between my other duties as a Master's EE candidate; I graduated BSEE with high honors last May.

One of my publications towards my BSEE, in case you still doubt my logical ability:
http://www.egr.msu.edu/~mattes12/appnote3.pdf
[I was recommended by one of the vice presidents of Texas Instruments to work a consulting job that pays nearly $50/hour. Still think I'm not logical about global warming?]

- Arthur Matteson