Correct Pay??

[j-radkemachine]

He's Old School Man...
Doesn't Talk Much Bout Thangs Like That On A Personal Level... Don't Share Feelins... Etc. Etc. ...
But We Will Discuss Some Thangs In The New Year...
Think I'll Wait Till The Years Up. Might Be Something Big Comin To Me For The End Of Year Bonus.
If Not...
I'll Just Keep On Keepin On...

[tmaker]

sorry I jumped in, just blowing off steam like I said. I worked for my dad in a suit for 1 year, didn't work out. wish he where here now for advice. listen to turmite, and matsuura.

[RonRamZ]

I feel your pain, bro. Working for your father is no picnic. I didn't know my father respected me professionally for 25 years. Had to find out at his funeral. Talk to the man.

As far as what the owner drives, up yours, its none of your business. I heard the same line of crap from my employees when I bought my fully loaded, top of the line Eddie Bauer Ford Explorer.

That was in 1993 and I still drive it to work every day.

[newguy81]

I've read a lot of the posts on this and I can say from experience that talking to dad about a raise is super tough. Mine talked me out of the Navy after 11yrs, gonna pay me big money do great things. Pay you whatever the navy is paying you was his comment to me. I took it because I thought I was unhappy were I was, then I got my first paycheck $877.00. For a month now. We talked and he believed that was good money, honest to god he did. I was really stuck then, couldn't go back to the service, so I just stuck it out. I raise here a raise there. Ran the whole place in two years, kinda like you though felt totally under appreiciated and loved my job. Started making money at the 5 year mark, but in the end we couldn't get past our differences on where to take the company. I resigned and started my own shop 4 years ago. I don't have anyone to complain to except myself if I don't have the things I want. I believe in paying a man what he's worth no matter what that is. Trouble is most people today really don't know what their worth, usually think they are more valuable than they are or they just flat out don't want to work. I can't wait for the day a guy comes thru my door and says "I can run this place man" and then actually does it. I'll give him some of it and hope he wants it all, I can't live forever. You should talk to your dad and see what his perspective is on pay and like one of the other posts said, see if he plans on giving the place to you. Sometimes they want to sell it to you, but you need to know if you are paying for it now with a reduced paycheck. You gotta know before you burn up your good working years. Just my thoughts!

[merl]

newguy81, I think you may have hit on the most important point of the whole debate here with your coment about figuring things out before you burn up your good working years.
When I go into a place I look around for the first 6 months and decide what I would like to see changed and what I can live with. The importance of the various issuse can change and be re-examined but my core values stay the same and, within two years if I don't see the changes I need to, then I move on. I hate to sound like some kind of "business consaultant" but I do try to "take ownership" of a place when I get there and get involved in as much as I need to help make changes for the better, if the shop wants that kind of help. If they don't want my help then they don't want me either.
There is a big differance between doing what ever it takes to get the job done and being taken advantage of. How many years do you want to spend figuring that out?

merl

[raymond1]

First off I just want to say it was very interesting to read what everyone had to say. and listening to everyone opinions just makes me realise how lucky I am to have A JOB. But I do belive that when you do what you love the money will follow. you just have to be patiant.

[the_canuck]

This thread needs this!

Worth: Just because you are necessary doesn't mean you're important!

I guess I had to make my first post sometime. I have a good job, I get paid to be a design engineer (Electrical Engineering degree, 4ys of school and 80 grand investment). I've been with the same company for almost 6 years, but have had 13 bosses/managers, and gone through 27 rounds of layoffs. I'm becoming unhappy with my job and am determined to find something better. I'm a creative person and need an outlet and my current position does not allow me to do that, besides the fact I'm constantly running out of stuff to keep me busy. I'm the type of person who hates being idle.

So, I've started my own business in a completely different field. I design, manufacture, and direct sell model airplane parts and kits. It's been 2 years and I'm still not making anything. I'm at the point of wondering if it is time to try something else or invest more time and money into growing the business.

Since starting my venture 2 years ago I've been working 60 - 80 total hrs per week and have eaten all my savings, stock, etc. Has it been worth the time and trouble? I would say yes. You need to find something that makes your life livable and hope you can make some money along the way to keep doing what you love.

I'm on here to learn about CNC milling machines as I get ready to design my own cnc milling machine for foam, mdf, and Al. I don't have the cash to buy a turn key setup, but I do have the know how to build one. I have built a cnc 4 axis hot wire machine I use for production now. The milling machine will open several new markets and hopefully dramatically increase cash flow.

If it works, I'll quit my job if not I will find something else to use my creative juices on that will pay the bills.

You gotta find what makes you happy in life and stick with it! Money isn't everything.

Andrew

[Geof]

Originally Posted by the_canuck .... Money isn't everything.Andrew

But it sure helps pay the bills until 'everything' comes along.

[tenaja]

Originally Posted by Geof But it sure helps pay the bills until 'everything' comes along.

Yeah, and then she spends all the money!!!

[the_canuck]

More good advice:

Stay away from the "stuff takers" AKA women!!

Believe me, I've learned my lesson!!

Andrew

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by the_canuck More good advice: Stay away from the "stuff takers" AKA women!! Believe me, I've learned my lesson!! Andrew

i disagree ,women are ok
it's live life blood sucking psychopatic dirtbag pieces of trash that you don t want

remember :its ok to nail the crazy ones just dont marry them