WTB Emco cnc lathe with mill axis

[laurentian]

WTB : Compact Emco lathe with live mill tooling for
small tool steel production, mostly under 1" OD x 3" length,
and some 2.5 OD x 2" long
PM me if you know of any good used iron available,
running or not
Hugh

[trevj1]

Hey Hugh,

Live tooling on a small machine is gonna be a toughie!

Can you work with doing the milling as a secondary op, or use a milling machine with fourth axis to make the part?

Emco makes a training lathe that has live tooling, but it isn't anywhere near my price range. Pretty much beyond most school's budgets too, I think. In any case, not thick on the ground.http://www.emco.co.uk/product/ConceptTurn250

Before the weekend, someone had posted a link to a brochure that covered the "Concept" line of both lathes and mills. I'll be darned if I could find it again. May have been in one of the other sub-forums, too.
Pretty certain it was just the older version of the info that is available regarding the current crop of training machines.

The Emco stuff offers up a lot of capability in a package size that is more often associated with pretty low-rent machinery. Unfortunately, their prices are right up there, and add in the transport costs and exchange rates, they don't get very many machines on the ground this side of the ocean.

Cheers
Trev

[laurentian]

Thanks Trev,
What got me wondering was this video:
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfnoAFW2L2c&feature=related"]YouTube- EMCO E25 CNC Drehmaschine[/nomedia]

Always dreaming of finding a deal on a clean
low hour machine at a fraction cost of new.
It's how we got our shop set up..
Hugh

[laurentian]

Trev,

Reason for my posting is we want to avoid farming
out some parts we are making on a regular basis.
We could always second op the hex part if we had to
on one of our two 4 axis mills.
I thought it would be great to do it all in one
set up if such a small machine were available / affordable.
Basically it would be a one job / customer machine
and give us a foothold to get into different work from there.

Here is a current eBay offering for a PC Turn 120 :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tchlink:top:en

Onlt 3/4 HP ? Wonder if it can turn 2" dia. toolsteel ?
I guess hard turning would be out of the question ?
What is the next size up from this one ?

The concept turn 250 that you linked would be the hot ticket,
wonder how much those are going for new ?

Thanks !

Hugh

[trevj1]

That's a sweet little lathe. Effectively a 120P in a different cabinet.

Wish it were closer, and the timing better....

AFAIK the next size up from this is a 220 lathe, then the 320, etc.. Dunno if they support live tooling or not. A guy would have to do some digging to find out. They are not exactly thick on the ground anyways.

Cheers
Trev

[laurentian]

That's a sweet little lathe. Effectively a 120P in a different cabinet.

Wish it were closer, and the timing better....

AFAIK the next size up from this is a 220 lathe, then the 320, etc.. Dunno if they support live tooling or not. A guy would have to do some digging to find out. They are not exactly thick on the ground anyways.

Cheers
Trev

The eBay machine sold for 3105.00

Trevor, would you know where I can get some info / brochures on the
older machines such as the 220 or 320 you mention ?
I am going to forget abour a mill axis for now and just look
for decent Emco iron that has enough HP and capacity to run with
2" OD HSS. Would you also know of any third party techs. that service
the Emco's in eastern Canada ?

Thanks for all the good info so far !

Hugh

[trevj1]

I've been getting my info online, from any sources I can find. Lots of google searching, or google images searching, and digging through the associated listings from various machine tool clearing house sites.

There is a Yahoo group for the 120p/6p series lathes that has some good info, one of the guys there does some repairs to Emco driver boards. Other than that, can't help with service.

Happy hunting!

Cheers
Trev

[laurentian]

Thanks Trev,
Fruits of my research:
Wrench on the Practical Machinist site
does some board repairs apparently. I sent a PM last night
and will see what he can offer and what he recommends.
He is very helpful with the Deckel machines and sells
a CD rom for those which I am about to purchase.
Hugh

[guna]

hello,
i am happy to be in this community,
good day.

[cnc_swe]

This is wrong:
Onlt 3/4 HP ? Wonder if it can turn 2" dia. toolsteel ?
I guess hard turning would be out of the question ?

The engine is around 4000w and the machine needs 16 amp slow fuses.
I make nozzles in stainless steel which is 30mm in diameter without any problems.
As a beginner mistake made by a thread that was 2mm deep in a single tag, because of errors when I typed G95 instead of G94
and spindle speed of 600 rpm and missed the tool-compensation not to recommend

EMCO PC Turn 120p may not be enough to compete with the larger machines but in Sweden there are many companies, not just
schools that are using it in. Turner machine can be equipped with automatic bar loading.
EBay price must be clean lottery winnings. The corresponding machine will cost between U.S. $ 10 to 14000th With the right steel
lathes I with 0.01mm tolerance. The only weakness is that just chuck the tube is 19mm. I have changed my 100mm chuck towards
the 125mm and 30mm internal diameter.
A nice little machine that I do not sell