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Interesting rant.
One, not so easy to make a cnc even with plans.
Two, we pay with time and effort and still pay $$ for our materials and parts.
Three, free country. If you don't like it that's just too bad for you.
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I think it's great that everyone helps each other here, (i.e) how to wire a motor, or convert a file, what G-code for this or that, my stepper is getting hot etc. but what I don't get is that everyone that is giving all the details as to what parts there using or where there getting them from are just shooting them selves in the foot..why not just hit yourself in the head with a bat....doesn't anyone realize that it's those that are causing the economy to crap out as well? among many others... by giving so much details as to DIY your just killing the job market and making things worse..why would i go to have my parts plasma cut or cnc routered when I can just build my own machine and do it myself? that kind of thinking and giving out all the pix and descriptions is just gonna take work/business away from you....like storage wars..how stupid..lets tell everyone on national tv that you only paid 100 for a locker and then try and sell it for 3500.00 later??? lets tell the watch guy appraising the watch you just got for 200.00 (after breaking the cost of items in the locker down) and now the watch cost you maybe 10.00 or less and the watch guy appraises it for 4000 wants to buy it but you openeed your mouth and already told him you paid 200 for the whole locker. that's a big problem. Keep the idea's (your idea's to yourself) and keep making money..you can keep quiet and still be honest and earn a ok living..keep it up and your just taking business away from yourself and jobs from others...
Interesting rant.
One, not so easy to make a cnc even with plans.
Two, we pay with time and effort and still pay $$ for our materials and parts.
Three, free country. If you don't like it that's just too bad for you.
I'd help webillet out but he'd have to give me 5 bucks first...
Not really a rant? well maybe a little one...Originally Posted by jckstrthmghty
My guess is that you are one of the DYI type (me too) using "OPID" Other Peoples Idea's and Designs (If it is truely a good design, I might use it for my own use) ....that's fine I guess..problem is everyone is doing it..I can relate totally to time and effort along with expenses..but in the end..companies are losing business because of it...I am a business owner, and I do pretty good, but I will admit I am seeing a difference. I designed my own cnc plasma, but I just use it for personal gain...FREE COUNTRY..Hmm funny..
Ba hahahah! funny... Thanks but no thanks..I don't need any help
And you don't need anyone's help because you use only your own ideas...
me think thou doth protest too much!
Here's my take, as someone who actually earns his living in a cabinet shop with an industrial CNC Router.doesn't anyone realize that it's those that are causing the economy to crap out as well? among many others... by giving so much details as to DIY your just killing the job market and making things worse
1) The vast majority of builders here are hobbiests, and aren't taking jobs away from anyone.
2) Of those that are using their CNC's for profit, the majority tend to be making very specialized products. They also were already producing those products, and are adding a CNC to be more productive. I've seen plenty of people wanting to build a CNC to start a business. It doesn't work that way in the real world.
3) In the 9 years this forum has been here, I've yet to see anyone build a machine that's capable of taking away the business that we do.
4) In our industry, if you're good, you'll have a job. There's a serious shortage of skilled labor in the commercial woodworking field. Nobody working in their garage on their DIY CNC will ever cost anyone that I work with their jobs.
If someone working in their garage is costing you business, or your job, then your days were numbered long ago.
1) It's cheaper to pay someone to do it then to build a machine to do it.why would i go to have my parts plasma cut or cnc routered when I can just build my own machine and do it myself?
2) If someone needs so many parts that it's cost effective to build the machine, then they're already taking your business.
Gerry
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(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Are you from the past? How do you think businesses are born? From silence and secrecy? What is a free market if not a free exchange of ideas?
The patent system was born out of the ethic of free exchange of information. If youre granted x years of exclusivity to profit then in exchange you return your idea to the collective consiousness.
So what if someone here builds a business which takes jobs from another shop? That just means there is more employment which benefits everyone.
I think you need to grow up. Stop trying to hide behind your antiquated concepts of business. If i build a cnc tool based on open ideas and i am successful enough to hire employees who loses exactly?
Evolve. It's time.
Access to technology drives innovation.
In case you missed it - Home Manufacturing Report prepared for the White House
Thank you.
Also in case you missed this:
Pliny the elder (AD 23-79)
Book xxv
Speaking of "the men of old"
"...there was nothing left untried or unattempted by them, and furthermore nothing kept secret, nothing which they wished to be of no benefit to posterity. But we moderns desire to hide and suppress the discoveries worked out by these investigators, and to cheat human life even of the good things that have been won by others.. Yes indeed, those who have gained a little knowledge keep it in a grudging spirit secret to themselves, and to teach nobody else increases the prestige of their learning."
" the supreme task of our great minds has long been to keep within individual memory the successes of the ancients, so allowing them to be forgotten"
Almost 2000 years ago, humans were grappling with these very same issues. I am grateful for the hosts of this forum and many others like it. Thank you to those willing to evolve and share their knowledge and experiences with those of us who desire to learn. If not for the sake of learning then for the sake of posterity.
Webillet, you are officially an oddball.
The fact is that in building our own CNC machines we are spreading the technology. Unless you've been living under a rock, you'll have seen the current fascination the media has with 3D printing. Practically all 3D printers use a set of mechanical and electrical parts (bar the end effector) to the machines we, as hobbyists, are building. The robotic manufacturing of products is the future, like it or not.
My primary interest in building a machine is to forward my own inventions and designs. I could pay my mate Hans to make these for me but as he's a medical instrument maker, he charges an arm and a leg. Experience has taught me that the first prototype is rarely right and if I paid Hans to make it, I'd end up tossing the thing in the bin and then pay him to make the MK2. SO I guess by your mesure, I'm stealing work from Hans by doing it myself. I won't, however, be stealing any of his clients. The clients Hans service use him because he's a professional (and Swiss too, making him a perfectionist :0)) subsequently, they go to him because they want and expect a high standard of work, not the kind of thing you go to a backyard hobbyist for. This is not to say the backyard/garage guy can't achieve professional standards of workmanship of course.
I'm exceedingly grateful for this forum and the participants on it, who are prepared to share their knowledge and experience. In turn, whenever I get the chance, I contribute to the flow of information.
I prefer this model to the one involving secrets and litigation.
Someone cancel webillet's account before he uses someone's ideas and concepts to make money... he probably already is.
Interesting form of logic, its wrong but your entitled to your opinion, looks like and smells like socialism.
You should move to China, you'll fit right in...
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