CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net!



Home Page Mark Forums Read Today's Posts My Replies Classifieds Reviews Photo Gallery Web Links Share Files Advertise With Us Ad List
Go Back   CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net! > WoodWorking Machines > DIY-CNC Router Table Machines


DIY-CNC Router Table Machines Discuss the building of home-made CNC Router tables here!


This forum is sponsored by:

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-19-2004, 04:20 PM
Mr.Chips's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA Tucson AZ
Posts: 1,239
Mr.Chips is on a distinguished road
My First CNC Machine, Mr. Chips

After MUCH reading and study from so many builders and designs I have finally put the mechanical portions together. There are too many people to thank for all the advice and the design tidbits I have plagiarized to finally arrive at this point. And yes this is my first machine, plan to use it to build an aluminum framed design with a movable gantry. One other factor that came to bare is that, how do you say… I am cheap, frugal…. And I let the good parts I found dictate the machine size as far as the X and Z axis are concerned. I did fine two good Thomson twin bearings at the recycle yard but the shaft was bent, I think I can use them for the Y axis of the 2nd machine, if I can find shafts at a good price, they are the full round design rather than the supported type which I would have perfered.

Because I have very limited skills in metal work, and my desire to make it as rigid as possible the gantry sides and cross piece are made using two layers of Ύ” MDF. With the cross pieces mortised through the inner layer of MDF. Everything on the gantry was glued and screwed. It is HEAVY, but rigid.

Like everyone I wanted a machine that had as small of a foot print as possible and the largest work space, sounds reasonable to me, and dozens of other builders. This machine started it’s long life (evidenced by numerous holes) as a movable gantry, this impossibility soon became apparent when I mounted the gantry on the Ύ” gas pipe rails (GPR) and supported by a four way adjustable bearing drilled and cut from a cutting board. This forced me to change the design to a movable table. This is not a bad choice as far as the function of the machine is concerned. The heaviest thing I will be moving around on the table will be a plate of aluminum big enough to make a side piece of the gantry for CNC #2. Yea I know famous last words.

The base of the machine is made from one layer of Ύ” MDF. The table I was building it on wasn’t very level so I used three pieces of 2” square steel tubing as a flat building plane. The end pieces are two layers of Ύ” MDF, the inner one being stacked drilled at one time to insure the rails were parallel. Because the rails are so long I placed a piece of MDF under them in the center, and will place other pieces on the sides of the rails to reduce spreading. I was surprised at how little pressure it takes to flex this pipe. The pieces of wood on each side of the gantry running the full length were oriented with the annular rings running up and down this is a much more rigid orientation. I will add another one on each side for additional rigidity. The gantry is screwed to the base and has pieces of MDF on each side to further insure rigidity. Yea I know I’m obsessed with this rigidity thing.

Thank you all again for freely sharing your ideas and time in getting me this far. Be forewarned as soon as I am making chips I will be calling on you all for advise with the software and how they interact/interface with the machine. Currently I am planning on using TurboCNC.

Specifications/Parts:
Over all size: 36” X 66”
Usable table cutting area: 22” X 28”
Z Travel 5½”
X Axis rails 1” shaft with Thomson like bearings. Used …………………………….. $10
Z Axis rails Ύ” shaft with Thomson like bearings. Used …………………………… $10
Not used on this machine 1” Thomson Twin bearings. Used …………...…………..…. $2
Y Axis rails (gas pipe) Ύ” ID (1” OD) …………………………………………….… $17
Y Axis roller skate bearings 608 ZZ C3 Ebay from a Irvine CA distributor …….….. $16
Controllers (3) XS-3525/8S-1 from Xylotex …………………………………………$120
Stepper Motors 116 oz/in from Xylotex ……………………………………………... $60
Aluminum plate from Austin recycle center 0.68 per lb
Drive screws ½” 10 Cannot lay my hands on receipt ………………..………Aprox. $45

Here is an overall photo. Please see 2nd posting for questions I have about the alignment.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	725.jpg‎
Views:	2798
Size:	74.5 KB
ID:	1306  
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old 01-19-2004, 04:23 PM
Mr.Chips's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA Tucson AZ
Posts: 1,239
Mr.Chips is on a distinguished road
My First CNC Machine, Mr. Chips

Below are the readings that were measured on the table right after assemble. Measurements were taken from a grid that was 20” X 24” as shown on the drawing. From these readings I plan to place three steel cross braces under the table and bring up the center -0.038” and the two -0.015” readings and shim the -0.021” to be closer to Zero, then route the entire surface flat.

Is this reasonable?

Thanks
Hager
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	table1.jpg‎
Views:	1748
Size:	17.7 KB
ID:	1307  

Last edited by Mr.Chips; 01-19-2004 at 05:02 PM.
Reply With Quote

  #3   Ban this user!
Old 01-19-2004, 04:42 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 490
Hobbiest is on a distinguished road

Looks great. can't wait to see what it can do!
__________________
Stop talking about it and do it already!!!!!

(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Reply With Quote

  #4   Ban this user!
Old 01-19-2004, 05:59 PM
balsaman's Avatar  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,139
balsaman is on a distinguished road

Looks great! Sounds reasonable. For 2D cutting it's ok to be out a little. I would be mopre concerned about the perpendicularity (word?) of the y versus the x axis.

Eric
__________________
I wish it wouldn't crash.
Reply With Quote

  #5   Ban this user!
Old 01-20-2004, 03:38 AM
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 114
limbo is on a distinguished road

Looking really really great! Very clean built.

Greetings,
John
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #6  
Old 01-20-2004, 03:13 PM
Mr.Chips's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA Tucson AZ
Posts: 1,239
Mr.Chips is on a distinguished road

Eric,
Checked the perpendicularity (word?) this afternoon by mounting a pen to the router post and locking the table and moving the router mount across the table drawing one leg of the triangle.
Then locked the router mount on the X asis and moved the table, drawing the 2nd leg of the triangle.

Used a starrett metric steel ruler.
Marked X leg at 400mm, the Y leg at 500mm.
Measured the third leg and it was 640mm long.
This works out to an angle of 89.94 should have been 90.0.

This is pretty close. I saw a CNC software where it allowed you to plug in this information and it would compensate the angle error when cutting.

Does CNCTurbo have this feature?
Hager
Reply With Quote

  #7   Ban this user!
Old 01-20-2004, 04:26 PM
anoel's Avatar  
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 465
anoel is on a distinguished road

Work it out physically (shims and adjustments)... You'll be glad you did later.
__________________
Nathan
Reply With Quote

  #8   Ban this user!
Old 01-20-2004, 05:21 PM
balsaman's Avatar  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,139
balsaman is on a distinguished road

No, Tcnc doesn't do that for you.

Eric
__________________
I wish it wouldn't crash.
Reply With Quote

  #9  
Old 01-20-2004, 06:47 PM
Mr.Chips's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA Tucson AZ
Posts: 1,239
Mr.Chips is on a distinguished road

Nathan,
I figure I got lucky with an angle of 89.94 deg.
Do you really think it is worth it to try and correct that 0.06 deg error?
Would have to shift the X axis shafts less than 0.5mm on one end.
Meaby I have to do this.
Would like some comments.
Thanks
Hager
Reply With Quote

  #10   Ban this user!
Old 01-20-2004, 07:13 PM
balsaman's Avatar  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,139
balsaman is on a distinguished road

What are you making? It's up to you. Can you live with it?

Don't be discouraged. Get it finished and moving. you can twaek it any time.

Eric
__________________
I wish it wouldn't crash.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #11   Ban this user!
Old 01-20-2004, 07:14 PM
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Dallas , Texas
Posts: 53
Carver is on a distinguished road

Hi Hager, Really nice job.

Yes it is worth the trouble.
Anything you cut later that has to work with anything else you cut will double the apparent problem.

Even the softwares that compensate for this usually don't do you any good if you simply want to take the proven tool path and mirror it for an opposite component. there will be several more instances this will come of value.

If you proceed with further assembly this is an easy ( at least geometrically ) correction. Cutting/ drawing a square or rectangle as large as you can, simply measure the diagonals and correct. Sorry if I am stating the obvious on the geometry.

again, Nice job,

Phill Pittman
www.masterwerkes.com
digicarve@verizon.net
__________________
Phill Pittman
www.masterwerkes.com
phill@masterwerkes.com
Reply With Quote

  #12   Ban this user!
Old 01-20-2004, 08:02 PM
xairflyer's Avatar  
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ireland
Posts: 288
xairflyer is on a distinguished road

Looking good, can't wait till I am running a dial indicator on mine !!
Reply With Quote

Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Heads Up - Article about building CNC Milling Machine samualt CNCzone Club House 3 06-13-2005 02:43 PM
My CNC Machine and Questions Davedbq General Electronics Discussion 2 01-22-2005 09:14 AM
Interested in NY/NJ CNC machine demo... jasonsp6 General Metal Working Machines 3 07-23-2004 12:47 AM
World's Cheapest CNC machine @ $100?? SuperCharg DIY-CNC Router Table Machines 2 09-15-2003 07:39 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:40 AM.





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Template-Modifications by TMS

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361