Chinese Spindle, "Germany" bearing mystery solved!

[Tim Nye]

Howdy everyone,

This is my first post. I'm planning building a router as my winter project, and the discussions on this board have been very helpful. So thanks to you all.

I've decided to go with a Chinese spindle. The vendors all advertise "Germany" bearings. Eloid had posted some photos he got from one of the suppliers of the spindles. There was a picture of the box:



Try looking up the ESKY bearing company. Guess what? There's no such company in Germany. Now search for "Germany Esky Ltd". It turns out to be a trademark of the Xi Yi Ke Division Electrical Grid Technology Co., Ltd.

"Germany" is the trademark name they're using, not the country of origin of the bearings.

Now search for "7005C NSK" (the bearing advertised as the Japanese import). First hit from Google is the NINGBO ZHONGTAI BEARING CO.,LTD, which advertises "We are manufacturer and supplier of 7005C NSK BEARING."

Go figure.

Tim

[pencilneck]

Same thing happens with turbos made for VW and Audi. Cheap turbos out of China with "Germany" right there on the casting.

[turboedgs]

I have a full reverse engineered SolidWorks parts file assembly of all the parts in the 2.2kw spindle. I need to document a few more parts and then I will be releasing the files in a week or two to anyone who needs or wants them (watch for the thread). The only thing I haven’t documented is the number of windings per stator pole.

[Benonymous]

Good detective work Tim! I'm looking out for that model turboedgs, very useful for my build and others I'm certain :-)

[oneturboneeded]

Are the so called "German" bearings better?

[Tim Nye]

Originally Posted by oneturboneeded Are the so called "German" bearings better?

Well, the box does say "Super Precision". How could you go wrong?

[oneturboneeded]

o.. ok good i was worried they would use a low quality item. i should know only top quality from china

[RomanLini]

Originally Posted by Tim Nye Well, the box does say "Super Precision". How could you go wrong?

The ones marked "Super Duper Precision" are even better still.

[chrisd7306]

I can remember back to the late 50's and early 60's when the Japanese were trying to break into the international engineering market. They had built an industrial/manufacturing city called USA, so you had to look for the dots between the letters to be sure that you were getting the American product not the Japanese. I think they tried to do it with some other country names as well. History repeats itself.

After dealing with faulty Chinese VFDs and all the lies from the distributor that I am now very weary of buying anything engineering from the Chinese.

Last year there was a huge manufacturing machinery Expo in Melbourne where there was a large number of Chinese firms present. I was there for few days and I was observing that the industrial public stayed away from them all, for the 4 days, no questions, etc....
They all looked bored out of their minds!!!!!
It is probability the only way to get the message across to the Chinese manufacturers that the world can see through the lies and deception, we well just not buy your goods until the attitude/quality changes.

[chrisd7306]

I just had a look at the photos from Eloid. I think you have to have the words "Made in" in front of the country name to be genuine. It is a play on words!!! But I think that there is an international agreement on how to display where the goods are manufactured.
In Australia, a certain % of the product has to be manufactured in Australia before it can have the label of "Made in Australia". Otherwise "Manufactured in Australia from foreign components" is displayed on the goods.
The same logic is applied to food made or manufactured here.

[RotarySMP]

There is a guy on Ebay selling KBS bearings as coming from Kedron Bearings Services LLC, Kentucky, USA

eBay Österreich: 10 Kegelrollenlager 30203, Fabr.KBS (Artikel 330409415703 endet 26.10.10 17:38:13 MESZ)

Googling Kedron Bearings Services turns up nothing, but KBS turns up NINGBO KBS BEARING INDUSTRY CO.LTD based in Zhejiang ,China.

[newcomer9747]

Originally Posted by turboedgs I have a full reverse engineered SolidWorks parts file assembly of all the parts in the 2.2kw spindle. I need to document a few more parts and then I will be releasing the files in a week or two to anyone who needs or wants them (watch for the thread). The only thing I haven’t documented is the number of windings per stator pole.

I would be interested in the files. Have u uploaded them?