Censorship / DynaCNC Forum

[tohlsson]

Due the censoring(removal) of my previous post regarding my DynaCNC experience I will no longer waste my time with trying to share experiences.
I think it's ridiculous that [usernames removed, flaming is no good] refuse to accept an honest description of my experience with DynaCNC. So much for an open forum!!!

[Jason Marsha]

I missed your post but I am guessing that your experience and your post was not a positive one of the machine.

Jason

[svenakela]

tohlsson,
Unfortenately I don't have time to follow all threads here at the forum, and I'm not aware of which thread and post you're mentioning.
But what I do see is a member, maybe frustrated, that may have been reading a lot - but not posting so much (5 posts until now). I checked some of your posts and they were informative, so there must be a reason why there was a message removed.
The other members that are described as ridiculous is something I don't in any way agree with. There are very few members acting bad here and the moderators are putting a uge effort to keep it that way. Bad posts are removed immediately, I would have done the same and I'm not in interest of DynaCNC specifically.

If you're unsatisfied with a response on your thread or any other post, flaming other members are not a good way to share experience. But you're more than welcome to discuss or report issues with me directly or any other moderator. If there's a specific post that bothers you in the future, there is a warning triangle icon in the upper right corner that will send a note to all the moderators for further action.

But once again, flaming is not a good idea.

Best regards,
Sven

[askman]

I've also had post on that thread that was deleted, and it was on dynacnc's sub forum area. it was constructive thread about how we updated/fix the design issues on dyna cnc router kit, as well as DYI ball screw upgrade for it. it would have gone on the exisiting thread, except they closed that thread down as well.

I have a question. aren't the Moderators/sub forum owner, the only ones with power to delete/close thread? all I can say is wow. I don't think I need to say more.

[jfc11]

I read tohlsson"s post concerning dynacnc...I didnt see where he was attacking anyone or "Flaming"( what ever that means)...He had a bad experience and was posting what he felt was an honest assesment of his experience with them was.....as I recall the Dynacnc people was being the aggressor....just my thoughts
Jim

[something2do]

"Due the censoring(removal) of my previous post regarding my DynaCNC experience I will no longer waste my time with trying to share experiences."

I read the post before D-Day and don't think is was a waste of time. I would appreciate more posts pics and mods.(everything helps now they cut me off tech support)

[askman]

well. sorry to hear about that something2do. I've also noticed that dyna stoppped selling their kit on ebay. (which in the end is a good thing IMHO)

anyway, let me know if you need any help with your machine down the road.

[PowerCNC4u]

Well guys and gals. Here are the cut and pasted rules from CNCAdmin. CNCAdmin is the person that owns and runs this site. If you don't like the rules then don't post.
If you follow the rules...post. Don't rag on the moderators for doing their job.

I personally have read the rules. I also have read a lot of posts that break the rules. I read the thread before it got erased and I thought it was a productive post except it did not follow all of the rules. Yes, I saw flaming. Flaming toward the company and an individual. Both break the rules.

Just read the below rules. Go out and read the entire set of rules if you have not already read them. I understand exactly why a bunch of posts got deleted and removed. I just think the moderators got tired of seeing people break the rules. I know I am tired of reading the "junk". I just want to see productive issues being stated and people getting help. It does not help anyone to read the "junk" about a company and the people in the company they don't like or the way they were treated. Take it up with the company - not here - just like the RULES state.

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[tohlsson]

So much for stating an experience! I intentionally kept my Post from being disrespectful, and I 'll continue with with this premise. It appears that if you state something that's unpopular with a sponser, although truthful, your subject to being censored. I never once bashed DynaCNC, but simply stated my experience. Again, I stand by my advice, do a fair amount of investigating before purchasing, and maybe you'll receive what is promised.

[askman]

what I object to, is that the whole thread was deleted . at least in my experience on other forums, usually only the objectionable lines are deleted/changed, if there is an issue. and warning issued. I would have been fine with that.

One interesting observation. the company under discussion got its own forum only in last few weeks. I have tried to be objective and constructive on my posting in the long thread and it was acknowledged as such even by the distributor. I've noticed that the thread got closed, when they got it moved to their own forum with no explanation given. and of course the thread in question was deleted soon after.

I've had dealings with several advertisers here including K2, circuit specialists, mach, homeshopcnc, cncfusion, keiling, and others, and in most cases my experiences have been positive. I guess the exceptions stands out because of that. In fact, I was quite impressed with dyna's distributor, who was proactive. Still, this latest escapade is troubling to me.

[svenakela]

I think everybody could state their oponion now and learnt a lesson one way or another. Sometimes it takes time to sort out the ways a forum should work and how to moderate. I agree that threads shouldn't be removed, and we have as a "policy" to keep threads, bad posts are with no warning removed. Criticism is ok as long as it is constructive.

DynaCNC s still a young subforum, but as the CNCzone is a great forum (if not one of the best) I think you should all give it a chance. Keep on posting and be constructive!

Best regards,
Sven