hydrogen powered vehicle?

[mc-motorsports]

Just wondering... I know there is some real talent surfing this forum. Who know's anything about hydrogen powered vehicles? I mean a DIY conversion...

I own a supercharged Mustang GT, pass anything but a gas station. With the gears and the supercharger, gas milage went from 20 down to 12 MPG

A quick google search shows people using low voltage DC and misc. materials for electrodes to seperate the hydrogen and oxygen from tap water, simple concept.

But what would it take to power a car or motorcycle using the same basic principals? Figured somebody here has to be experimenting with something, or may already may be utilizing hydrogen to power a generator, go-cart, motorcycle or even a car?

[Crevice Reamer]

These are all good questions and a timely topic. I hope to see you get some answers. Thanks for bringing it up.

CR.

[BigMike4u]

Has anybody looked into this idea? I'm thinking strongly about trying it.

http://runyourcarwithwater.com/

Mike

[Crevice Reamer]

As far as I can determine, this and others like it are scams. Rachel DOES have nice legs though!

CR.

[Geof]

Go through the threads in the Global Warming Forum. This farce has been discussed there.

[keltic88]

There has been a number of people using "Brown's Gas" over at otherpower.com forums (fieldlines.com) - search for teckerd in the diaries. He's been experimenting with his truck.

Cheers,
Red

[mc-motorsports]

That is the exact video that caught my attention a year ago or so.

So what's a Farce?

And yea, I can save you some money... Drop a couple of SS bolts in a can of water, close together but seperated and insulated from one another, add a little salt, 12v and it'll bubble off hydrogen gas. Put a tube in the top, hook that into your intake, and some people swear it will increase your gas milage.

But that's not what I'm asking about. It may not be possible to run a conventional engine on Hydrogen, may be too hot for the pistons, valve timing may have to be changed, maybe the spark plugs and gasoline timing settings won't work???

Who know's what? I'm sure someone here has been playing around and knows something.

And I'm not really worried about global warming. Let's just get rid of all the cows and call it a day, 40% of the problem solved, eat chicken... LOL! Damn methane creating creatures. Either that or make methane generators out of cow crap like they do in 3rd world countries.

[Geof]

[QUOTE=mc-motorsports;464983....But that's not what I'm asking about. It may not be possible to run a conventional engine on Hydrogen, may be too hot for the pistons, valve timing may have to be changed, maybe the spark plugs and gasoline timing settings won't work???...[/QUOTE]

Why don't you Google 'BMW hydrogen power' they make a dual fuel car that will run on hydrogen or gasoline so obviously the same valve timing, pistons, sparl plugs and ignition timing can work. But it is still a farce.

[mc-motorsports]

Originally Posted by Geof Why don't you Google 'BMW hydrogen power' they make a dual fuel car that will run on hydrogen or gasoline so obviously the same valve timing, pistons, sparl plugs and ignition timing can work. But it is still a farce.

Define "farce", sorry, I'm not from Canada. (guessing it's negative)

And a google search turned up nothing. And you shouldn't take things for granted. Ignition timing is easily changed within the ECU. valve timing can be controlled using what Honda calls VTECH, simple yet effective concept, many have tried, Honda was the first to get it right, search patents back to the 70's, funny stuff. And it doesn't mean the pistons in my truck or Mustang are the same material as the pistons in that BMW. And I wouldn't expect BMW to lay out thier recipie.

BTW, hydrogen cars have been around for a while. They did make a car that runs off of pure water, the generator costs $80K US at the time the car was built. May not be feesable at this time, not impossible. I was wondering who whas experimenting and if anyone had luck. I asked here because there are quite a few talented individuals and I wouldn't expect a CNCZoner to drop a couple of bolts in a coffee can and zip tie it to the radiator support.

That is all.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by mc-motorsports ....And a google search turned up nothing...

I don't quite know how you Google but when I use 'bmw hydrogen power' Google comes up with "about 199,000 in 0.07 seconds. Here is one of them:
http://www.alternative-energy-news.i...-7-production/

If you want to get a definition of farce go to dictionary.com or something like that.

You cannot run a car off pure water, that is plain simple nonsense, water is non-combustible. It is possible to electrolyse water to obtain hydrogen then use the hydrogen to run a car but on an efficiency basis it is one of the most idiotic schemes going. You need an energy source to generate the electricity that is used to do the electrolysis and during the electricity generation at least 60% of the energy is lost as waste heat. Then during the electrolysis something like 20% of the energy is again lost as waste heat. Finally when the hydrogen is used in an internal combustion engine at least 70% is lost as waste heat. When you take the overall efficiency; 0.4 for electricity generation, 0.8 for electrolysis and 0.3 for internal combustion your overall efficiency is 0.096. In other words less than 10% of your original energy is available to propel the vehicle.

[mc-motorsports]

Originally Posted by Geof I don't quite know how you Google but when I use 'bmw hydrogen power' Google comes up with "about 199,000 in 0.07 seconds. Here is one of them: http://www.alternative-energy-news.i...-7-production/ If you want to get a definition of farce go to dictionary.com or something like that. You cannot run a car off pure water, that is plain simple nonsense, water is non-combustible. It is possible to electrolyse water to obtain hydrogen then use the hydrogen to run a car but on an efficiency basis it is one of the most idiotic schemes going. You need an energy source to generate the electricity that is used to do the electrolysis and during the electricity generation at least 60% of the energy is lost as waste heat. Then during the electrolysis something like 20% of the energy is again lost as waste heat. Finally when the hydrogen is used in an internal combustion engine at least 70% is lost as waste heat. When you take the overall efficiency; 0.4 for electricity generation, 0.8 for electrolysis and 0.3 for internal combustion your overall efficiency is 0.096. In other words less than 10% of your original energy is available to propel the vehicle.

Your google link doesn't tell me much of anything that I'm looking for, just like I stated above. I did not say that there was no information on the BMW hydrogen engines, there is about enough information in that article to satisfy a housewife.

And I never said you can run a car off of plain water. You may have missed the part about the hydrogen generator, which would be the component responsible for the electrolysis process of seperating the hydrogen and oxygen.

How efficient is a gasoline engine? I'll look it up and post on it tomorrow if you want. We studied gasoline engines in great detail back in school. I still have the technical manuals if I can find them. I'm not going to rattle number off my head so someone can google it and scream that my memory is off. But I will say not very efficient at all, along the lines of what your claiming for the hydrogen generator.

Then concider that oil has to be pumped out of the ground using one of a few processess, shipped half way around the world, refined at one of our few remaining oil refinerys, shipped to local gas stations AND THEN we can discuss the efficiency of the gasoline internal combustion engine in terms of hydrocarbon based fuels. Thermal efficieny is Work supplied divided by heat applied. And it generally takes .4lbs/hr of hydrocarbon based fuel to generate 1 hp. From start to finish, how efficient is that process?

All that being said, I don't think a hydrogen generator powered vehicle is out of the question. Plus who cares how efficient it is, I get water for free, gasoline costs $4.05 a gallon. I would run my car on milk if I could, it would be cheaper. This is the whole point of this thread.

Hopefully we can get back on track.

MC

[mc-motorsports]

Originally Posted by keltic88 There has been a number of people using "Brown's Gas" over at otherpower.com forums (fieldlines.com) - search for teckerd in the diaries. He's been experimenting with his truck. Cheers, Red

Can't really find anything. If you google search the website, there are a couple of dead links that looked very interesting. It must be a conspiracy with the oil companies...lol!