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    48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P



    Much like many others that have come before I want to say thank you to all who have shared their knowledge, build experience, and answered questions. I have invested tens of hours reading entries on this website learning much along the way. I would not be able to achieve the success I hope to see without the generosity of many contributors.

    This build log will document my journey in building a rolling gantry CNC router. As you will see in the photographs I'll post, this machine will have a minimum 48" × 48" × 9" capacity.

    This is my third attempt at building a CNC device. The first attempt was thwarted by a crooked eBay vendor who took my money but never delivered any goods. After months of increasingly soap opera-like reasons why my machine was delayed (which he had sent photos of it being assembled) and why he was unwilling for me to come pick it up he stopped answering any emails and phone calls. After many failed attempts to contact the seller (at which time all avenues through eBay had already closed) I had to resort to tracking down his wife's workplace and sending a fax requesting my money back. It took 6 months but I finally had my hard earned money back in my bank account.

    The second attempt was reasonably successful. I bought parts from eBay, at the MIT monthly flea market, and direct from some of the CNCZone advertisers. The machine was built using surplus parts but was very similar to "Glacial Wanderer's" at www.glacialwanderer.com—hobbyrobotics . The machine had approximately a 24" × 24" × 4" cutting capacity. I was thrilled when I finally got the machine to cut with reasonable accuracy. My problem was that the parts that I made for the machine were insufficiently accurate and that caused the level of repeatability to be very low. When I had a power surge that destroyed one of my stepper motor controller axis, I replaced the board with a Gecko 540. The Gecko drove the machine MUCH faster than the previous board bought on eBay, and really highlighted the design and construction issues I had. So, it is time to upgrade!

    Before I began this build I started my own company; for the IRS agents out there - I'm planning on writing off the money spent building this machine as business expenses

    Thanks to all for your feedback, stay tuned for photos and more.

    Lee



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    Design & Part Selection



    As I started getting serious about building this machine I reread build logs of larger format machines. The experiences of building my first machine taught me that I wanted a floor standing machine - not one that would move about the top of my workbench. My first sketches on paper was simply a scaled up version of my first machine - then I saw "Arbo's" build log (see CNCZone thread # 88276) and suddenly the light switch went on - my design came together pretty much over night.

    As I continued to think about the design and read, I came across LunchTrayRider's very nice build (thread #96416) and was motivated to move forward as I saw his rapid progress.

    As recommended by others, drawing the design in 3D helps find issues before construction begins. I used SketchUp to model my ideas and I highly recommend doing this. I found several problems in my design caused by tight clearances that I wouldn't have found until construction was underway.

    I've attached a rendering of my SketchUp design. Note, you'll see that the design has changed since I drew this - but this was a very useful exercise.

    With my design much more robust I had the makings of a shopping list. I could reuse some of the components from machine #1 but due to the increase in size I switched from Acme screws to a Ahren's Rack & Pinion system. I want to recognize and publicly thank Ahren (www.cncrouterparts.com) and Nate (www.finelineautomation.com) for being truly helpful to this community by providing helpful information through numerous posts, and selling at reasonable prices the parts needed to realize the dream many have of building their own robot minion. After sending emails and getting useful responses I ordered rails, racks, motors, and R&P kits from Nate. I subsequently ordered a new power supply and cables directly from Ahren's site too.

    I made it almost a daily ritual to see the 8020 Garage Sale store on eBay (stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Saleto) see if they had newly listed 3030 extrusions available. I really lucked out one day back in January - a listing that had 3030 sized extrusions 60" long with Anchor Fastener Counterbores (the very strong connection). A few days later another listing shows up - 34" pieces with Anchor Fasteners as well (for the legs of the machine). The guys and girls at 8020 are fantastic. Every order I've made has been packed and shipped professionally and quickly. I don't know how much aluminum they ship but they get really good prices from UPS - even for the packages that weigh in at over 75 pounds and approach 72" in length). There is a lot of good advice about using carriage bolts and drilling access holes in the 8020 parts on CNCZone. I made the decision to use mostly 8020 nuts including the Anchor Fasteners - especially after I bought some slightly used parts at a very steep discount. If the extrusions didn't have the holes bored for the anchors I would have followed the lower cost route. As it is, the anchors work very, very well.

    8020 makes a metric size extrusion (the 40 series) that I wrongly thought was simply the fractional size but marketed to metric customers. Don't make the same mistake I did - the parts are NOT interchangeable! I mistakenly bought some 40 series 45 degree supports that I had included in my design. When I tried to assemble them they did not fit. I made an on-the-fly decision to do without the extra supports - we'll see if it comes back to haunt me.

    My first machine used a Bosch palm router. I like it. It is robust if a little noisy. My only complaint was the 1/4" shank limit for router bits. As I followed the trials and successes of others moving from routers to spindles I decided that I too would take a chance and buy directly from China. I bought a 2.2KW spindle from Love-HappyShopping and the transaction was painless. Delivery was made within 1 week including DHL having to drive over 50 miles one-way twice because they couldn't find the road that I live on. Like a kid on his birthday I opened the box excitedly. My first reaction was "Wow, this is a lot heavier than my Bosch." It seems well made and looks like it was tested before being packed for shipment (a little water dripped out when I flipped it upside down).

    With the new spindle I needed to buy a new bracket. I found David Da Costa's site in a post (www.spindlemounts.com) and contacted him about a custom mount. David is a great guy who does very good work. I drew a sketch of my idea and David turned it into a professional drawing and confirmed everything was as I needed. He built a custom backplate to my specification and shipped it out very quickly. Of course, there is an old saying -- measure twice, cut once that I ignored. When I tried to mount the custom backplate to my linear slide, I realized I gave David the wrong measurements. With embarrassment fully justified I asked David to create me a second custom backplate. He turned it around in a day! Talk about great service. I highly recommend David.

    One of the lessons from machine #1 was dust control is not optional. I saw the video of Kent Jane's split dust shoe (thread 97533>) and liked the simplicity and the refined design the video showed. I contacted Kent and asked if he made the dust shoe that would fit the 80mm diameter of the Chinese spindle - he does! So, I ordered one and when it came it was packaged better than most massed produced items - the brushes and dust chute were protected from being crushed with plenty of recyclable packing material. You need dust collection - if you don't have a dust shoe - please consider buying one from Kent.

    More photos of building to follow!



    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P-cnctable_v1.jpg  
    Last edited by LeeIngram; 04-19-2010 at 10:29 PM.


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    Parts Photos



    If you are like me you want to see photos of parts turned into something cool! Well, I'm not a good photographer and I don't know if this will turn out really cool, but here is some documented proof I'm actually making something

    I'm building this in my office / workshop. I'm lucky to live near an old mill that has been turned into artist studios. The building is over 100 years old and it has soaring 14 foot high ceilings, hardwood floors (partially covered with steel plate to protect it from pallet jacks and forklifts), and conveniently 3 phase power.

    These are the obligatory parts shots.

    The first photo has the disassembled R&P parts from Ahren.
    I bought the racks from Fine Line Automation and you can see they don't require the rack brackets as they are machined to mount directly onto 8020.
    There are quite a few pieces of aluminum that hopefully will turn into a machine standing there.



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    I started assembly on a Saturday morning and made pretty quick progress. Working out the design in SketchUp helped me visualize the order in which I needed to connect the pieces of 8020.

    You will see in the photos that I had to deviate from the CAD version of my machine when the reality of metric versus fractional sized parts became apparent. Luckily I had acquired miscellaneous parts of 8020 over the past 18 months so I had flexibility in my build.

    The first photo shows the rear and middle legs being attached to the table. Because of the good buy I made all of the long pieces in these photos are 60" long. The overall width of the machine (excluding the wire carriers which will add another 8 inches) is 66". This width requires the "Y axis to be 72" long (you will see in upcoming photos).

    The second photo shows an uncompleted corner of the back legs of the machine.

    The third photo shows the width with a 48" level as reference.

    The fourth photo shows the progress made at the end of a 10 hour construction day. I placed the rails on the machine just to see how it would look. If you look at the left side of the machine, level with the current surface of the table, you will see an angle part jutting outwards. This will hold the wire carrier.

    The last photo shows the angle piece but also shows how I attached the table to the legs using the anchor bolts. Another great 8020 buy was the custom pieces you see in this shot. While I don't think the flat custom piece
    provides much strength, the four stainless socket head screws connect to a tapped 60" piece of 3030 and act to clean up the open end of the support.

    I'll write more and provide more photos later.

    Thanks for your feedback.

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P-constructionday1-1.jpg   48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P-rearassembly.jpg   48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P-day1-2.jpg   48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P-endofday1.jpg  

    48" x 48" x 9" 8020 using R&P-table_legs.jpg  


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    Closeup photos



    I had some additional photos that I thought you may want to see.

    As mentioned in an earlier post my "Y" axis (yes I know I'm a contrarian when it comes to this naming but hey, its my machine so I can name it) has a piece of 3030 extrusion that is 72" long. In the spirit of over engineering, I decided that I would add an additional steel support on the back of the axis. In the first photo you see the Fine Line Automation rail on the right which will be mounted on the front of the axis. On the left in the photo is a 72" length of hot rolled steel 3" wide and 1/4" thick. My plan was to bolt it to the back of the Y axis to provide additional strength to the 8020 to prevent deflection.

    Photo 2 shows what the 72" piece of steel looked like when I got it. I found a local steel supplier that only charged me $17 for this piece - they don't normally carry cold rolled steel but since it wasn't going to be used for anything requiring precision I thought it was a great deal.

    Photo three shows the same 72" piece after cleaning, drilling and painting. That prep alone took me 2 hours.

    Photo 4 shows the steel mounted as it is right now on the Y axis. The observant will notice that there is only one row of bolts holding the steel onto the back of the 8020. When I mounted the Y axis rack there was interference between the back steel support and the pinion gear! I had to drop the steel down - it is now questionable if it provides sufficient stiffness to justify the added weight of the axis. I can always take it off if I find inertia to be a problem.

    That's all for tonight.




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    Hi Lee,

    Looks good so far. How many cross suports are you planning on for your table?
    I have a practical cnc router made with 80/20 and I ended up using 5 cross pieces to support my table.

    I also added cross braces down low on mine to increase the rigidity.

    Regards,
    Eric


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    Eric

    Sorry for the delay, starting a new company, earning money, and the kid's spring break all have hampered my progress.

    I have added additional bracing since those photos were taken. I have read the threads on using garage door pulleys to prevent racking and thought that I would give that a try if racking becomes an issue. I also have some 1/4" steel shelf supports that I will attach between the front and back leg assemblies.

    I'm currently diagnosing a problem with my Gecko. I had 3 motors working but the Z motor when plugged in caused the Fault light to go ON and stay on. Even when I unplug all motor cables. I think I fried my Gecko, but there was none of the usual magic blue smoke. I'm working with Marcus at Gecko to figure it out. I'll post more about my build soon.

    Thank you for your interest and questions.

    Lee


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