Thoughts on Tsugami

[timan]

Looking at the SS20 nice machine and nicely priced. Good, Bad, Ugly thoughts on Tsugami?

[tobyaxis]

They are well built, rigid, and durable. Set up is fairly straight forward.

All around a good machine

[paulbaird5150]

the shop i work in just purchased a 1995 tsugami 25(D) does anyone have any sample programs that i could edit to use as a generic base program so i can get up and running.it uses fanuc otc controls.any help at all would be greatly appreciated.send any programming info or attached programs to paulbaird5150@gmail.com. thanks guy`s.

[tobyaxis]

Do you have the manuals?

[paulbaird5150]

I have one maual but the programming format is very vague and non-descriptive it only gives partial samples not an entire picture.

[tobyaxis]

I have one maual but the programming format is very vague and non-descriptive it only gives partial samples not an entire picture.

You must be talking about the Fanuc Manual. The Manual I'm talking about is written by Tsugami. It has detailed programs and specific diagrams related to your specific machine.

The swiss I used is no longer made. It was a '94 with a Fanuc 1LE Control.

Try calling Tsugami or this http://www.remsales.com/home/resources.html

[WarOzz]

We purchased a Tsugami BE20 V with a FMB Turbo 3-26 bar feeder about two years ago for in house parts. I had no prior experience with swiss style screw machines, just old cam driven brown & sharps but it was a quick machine to learn. With the Fanuc controls the programming is fairly straight forward, if you have written a program for any other mill or lathe you should be able to pick this up in a week or two. So far I have made over a million parts on this machine and have had only one serious crash. Not sure how it happened but we broke a cast housing were the bar feed mounts to the machine. Unfortunately this happened over the weekend when the machine was unattended so I am not sure what caused the crash. The cost of the crash about about $1000, not bad for a million parts so far. Overall this has been a great addition to our shop and I would recomend a Tsugami to anyone.

[fukeneh]

Tsugami is a great machine. I do recommened using straight oil in the machine. I had ones sub spindle lock up because of rust. Tsugami told me it's better to run straight oil. Although if you do run straight oil I would get a mistbuster 500.

[WarOzz]

I use M22 light cutting oil from Jokish industries in our BE20. We have a rather large facility so smoke from the oil has not been a problem so far. If it gets to be a problem a mistbuster can solve it fast. I do recomend a chip spinner though, you will waste a lot of expensive oil if you do not spin the chips.

Ed

[ktkickinass]

Tsugamis a good machine. One of the nicest characteristics for me is the fact that its not nearly as senstive to imperfect barstock as the Star. And the Star is even equipped with that piece of junk Rotary Magic guide bush....

[hacdlux]

i have the big brother the ss32 my observations:

having the y axis on the sub is very convenit not only for spliting cycles but also centering tools


if you use the radials on the sub you will more than likely lose the use of the the adjacent live/stationary holder


the new tsugamis have air displacement on live tools making them water safe


ive had one good crash (bar jammed in gb and slipped in main collet)and after indicating the holder back in machine runs fine(it broke a 3/8 spot drill sideways)


one final note ss 20 is a convertible to gb-less a nice feature if you want to run extruded bar(i get away with it i just run the gb loose but i have had stock where it is so in consistent it can foul up

over all a very nice freindly machine but it is a swiss and they are deffinetly diffrent

[SWISS20]

how do the Tsugami's compare to the Citizens? We run the A and L 20mm line, and I am happy with our citizens but I have recently been looking into the Tsugami's and I am interested in there machines, as they offer more live tooling on separate gangs for the same price point as an L20, I know there is alot of people who like either or, but im really looking for input from any persons who has worked with both the machines to know the ups and downs, thanks