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    Default Re: Last One - 4'x6' Steel, Epoxy and ClearPath servo's

    Weerasak was kind enough to help me with the E-stop circuit to. You put all the normally closed inputs that you want included in your safety circuit on inputs X105 - X115*. Then assign X102 as your E-stop input in UCCNC. If any input is not OK, then the UB1 will cause an E-stop input and UCCNC will go in to Re-set. It also is part of the Output Signal Switching Device , OSSD, and it can open and close a power contactor if desired. Its described pretty well in the UB1 owners manual but it wasn't making sense to me until I saw how it would work with the Clear Path HLFB.

    I don't know if the limit override Software button in UCCNC will let you recover from an alarm condition with this circuit? Or, if it requires an actual switch? I see the Override input on the UB1 for this purpose but I guess I'll have to experiment a little with it and report back.

    Thank you Weerasak at http://www.cncroom.com for the assistance.

    * - This requires the solder bridges on the back of the UB1 to be soldered closed to be included in the OSSD circuit.

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    I don't think the Limit Override will do anything in this case.
    From what I've heard, , when you hit a limit, you need to still click the Reset button. The override button is necessary until the limit switch input is cleared. So you need both. In your case, there won't be a limit switch input active, so the override doesn't do anything.

    What you probably want is a switch with two contact blocks. One going to the OVR input, and one to another input, and use an input trigger for Reset. So one switch resets the UB1, and UCCNC at the same time. I think this will work.

    I plan on doing something similar. Using the safety circuit in the UB1 for the fault lines from my servo drives. But my servo power contactor is controlled by a PILZ safety relay, which uses the charge pump signal, and is in my E-Stop circuit. So I can't power up the servos until UCCNC is running and out of Estop.

    Its described pretty well in the UB1 owners manual
    I can see now where Port 1, Pin2 (X102) can be assigned to E Stop, but a little more clarity wouldn't hurt.
    But yes, Weerasak is very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    I don't think the Limit Override will do anything in this case.
    From what I've heard, , when you hit a limit, you need to still click the Reset button. The override button is necessary until the limit switch input is cleared. So you need both. In your case, there won't be a limit switch input active, so the override doesn't do anything.

    What you probably want is a switch with two contact blocks. One going to the OVR input, and one to another input, and use an input trigger for Reset. So one switch resets the UB1, and UCCNC at the same time. I think this will work.

    I plan on doing something similar. Using the safety circuit in the UB1 for the fault lines from my servo drives. But my servo power contactor is controlled by a PILZ safety relay, which uses the charge pump signal, and is in my E-Stop circuit. So I can't power up the servos until UCCNC is running and out of Estop.



    I can see now where Port 1, Pin2 (X102) can be assigned to E Stop, but a little more clarity wouldn't hurt.
    But yes, Weerasak is very helpful.
    Recovering from an E stop might require 2 overrides: When in Reset. the servos aren't enabled so the HLFB "OK" signal is absent. The "Override limits" software button should re-enable the servos. But the OSSD override will still have to be engaged/depressed/input to finally clear the E-stop input. I wonder if I could map an output in UCCNC to the "override limits" button and tie that output to the "OVR" input? If thats possible, then the "Override Limits" software button would be overriding the E-stop and the OSSD circuit? I think this is similar to what you meant by using an "input trigger", only its a software solution? This is almost exactly what you described isnt it

    Reading the owners manual I see the charge pump signal can be tied to the K3 relay. I'm going to use the CP signal through this relay to control a solid state contactor that turns on the servo power supply and the VFD. This was less of a safety feature than a method that will let the whole machine power up in two phases instead of one surgilicious "KATHUNK"! Should work OK as long as the CP signal doesnt disappear when the software is in re-set.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Jumper10 View Post
    Recovering from an E stop might require 2 overrides: When in Reset. the servos aren't enabled so the HLFB "OK" signal is absent. The "Override limits" software button should re-enable the servos. But the OSSD override will still have to be engaged/depressed/input to finally clear the E-stop input. I wonder if I could map an output in UCCNC to the "override limits" button and tie that output to the "OVR" input? If thats possible, then the "Override Limits" software button would be overriding the E-stop and the OSSD circuit? I think this is similar to what you meant by using an "input trigger", only its a software solution? This is almost exactly what you described isnt it

    Reading the owners manual I see the charge pump signal can be tied to the K3 relay. I'm going to use the CP signal through this relay to control a solid state contactor that turns on the servo power supply and the VFD. This was less of a safety feature than a method that will let the whole machine power up in two phases instead of one surgilicious "KATHUNK"! Should work OK as long as the CP signal doesnt disappear when the software is in re-set.
    I think you can attach outputs to any buttons. Take a look at the output triggers page in the I/O triggers.
    Press the Set button and select code 27. Limits override and assign an output pin.



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    Reading the owners manual I see the charge pump signal can be tied to the K3 relay.
    Yes, if you change a solder bridge.


    Should work OK as long as the CP signal doesnt disappear when the software is in re-set.
    There's an option in UCCNC for charge pump always on.

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    I think it can be done.

    Gerry and OlfCNC thanks for the advice. I should get the UB1 this week.



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    Default UB1 and Hitachi WJ200

    After a considerable setback I've begun to make progress again. Just to re-cap; I burned out all the outputs on my MB2 breakout board trying to use a sinking output as the source for the FWD RUN command on the Hitachi WJ200 VFD. I contacted CNCroom for some assistance. They were very helpful and in fact, instrumental in getting the VFD connected properly to my new breakout board, a UB1. But it even took them a couple times before they got it right. Nice to know I wasnt in fact as stupid as I felt. The UB1 is a better board than the MB2 if you are using a UC300ETH and that eased the pain of a replacing it.

    Moving forward I've got my circuit planning 90% completed. I've decided to keep the homing sensors. There are just times where re-homing with out having to completely power down the system is a good option. Besides, they were already installed, just not connected. In addition to the UB1 I added a 25amp solid state contactor to control power to the servo power supply and the VFD. The contactor, in addition to zero point switching, has a built in snubber circuit to tame the power surge when it first turns on. And its now controlled by the Charge Pump signal so no power to the servo's or VFD until UCCNC has control. And with the UB1 I was able to eliminate a 5 volt power supply.


    Safety Circuit

    - Servo Enable signals are disabled until the Charge Pump signal is present. This is a UB1 feature selected with a solder bridge. Outputs Y302 - Y307, Y316, Y317 are then controlled by the charge pump signal.
    OSSD
    - All HLFB (Servo On) signals are required
    - VFD power on (AL0/AL2 termial on VFD)
    - E-stop switch closed (normal)
    Still thinking about this but I think I'm going to use the OSSD output signal to close a relay that the servo enable signals will pass through. If the OSSD becomes not error free, the relay will open and disable the servos. OSSD works independent of software so I guess it would be reliable but I prefer to route at least one enable signal through the E-stop switch .

    Recover from a Re-set condition:

    - OSSD override switch will be K1 relay and mapped in UCCNC to the Override Limits software button. Pressing the SW "Override Limits" button will:
    -enable servos and this will return the HLFB "ok" signals to the OSSD
    - re-normalize the OSSD.
    I tested the K1 operation when pressing the "override limits" software button and it doesnt stay closed very long. Hopefully it will be long enough for everything to get restarted.


    Power circuit:

    Main 220V contactor closes -
    - 24 vdc On
    - 12 vdc On
    - UB1 on
    - cabinet fan On.
    Software startup
    - Charge pump signal closes K3 relay (solder bridge UB1)
    - K3 sends 24vdc to Solid State contactor in turn supplying 220Vac to Servo power and VFD.
    - Z axis servo hard stop homes upon power up getting it up out of the way.
    - "override limits" button and "Reset" button enables servos and the Y axis hard-stop homes. X axis will home with software control, no hard stop homing.


    The pic is the WJ200 VFD front circuit board after it was all wired up and working with the pulse train frequency control. The resistor is visible across P24 and EA terminal.

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    Default Re: UB1 and Hitachi WJ200

    Nice to see you're back on track!



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    Default Re: Last One - 4'x6' Steel, Epoxy and ClearPath servo's

    Cleared a big hurdle tonight. I finished hooking up the circuits to the UB1. I connected up all the servos but i didn't install the Y axis motors in the mounts. I just placed them on each side of the table by the gantry ends and faced them toward each other. I wanted to make sure they were turning in the right direction before I installed them and that was easier this way. Plus they still need to be auto-tuned. Took a deep breath and powered it up. Everything worked as expected . I set my ports and pins, checked the homing on the X axis, tested my sensors, tested the E-stop and the Reset... after the last couple weeks, it was gratifying to have everything working like its supposed to Really happy with the UB1 board! I could see all the enable outputs turn on and off, I could see the status of the OSSD inputs, I could see the axis movement commands. Nice. And I'm not sure why, I'll have to double check, but recovering from a Reset or E-stop didnt require pushing the Override Limits software button. I could see the servo OK signals were gone from the OSSD circuit and the servo enable outputs were off. The Reset button definitely re-enabled the servos and it reset the OSSD circuit. Normally, to clear a reset, the software override button lets the servo's re-enable which provides the "Servo On" HLFB signal, which UCCNC detects as "everything is OK" and then you can clear the re-set. Apparently that interlocking function is dealt with in the UB1. To recover, you just hit the Reset. Weerasak, you magnificent bastard!



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