Jinan Quick CNC Router - K60MT

[Andre09]

Hello to everyone on the forum.

My stats show that I have been a member here on the forum for over 3 years and have yet to contibute. So here goes...

Let me introduce the K60MT CNC Router manufactured By the Jinan Quick CNC Company. This is my first ever purchase from China and the biggest purchase I have ever made from an overseas supplier.

I began the financial transaction with the manufacturer on 22/07/09 and the machine was delivered to my address in Melbourne on 02/10/09 (Approx. 72 days, but who's counting). Upon reflection, it doesn't seem like such a long time, but excitement,anxiety and some stress definately prolong the weeks...

When all was said and done,seeing the machine sitting in my shed, I can honestly say that I am very happy with my purchase...

I still have obstacles to overcome(big 3phase ones), but at least I know that the machine is real, that I have spent my money wisely and that when Its finally up and going, my imagination will be the only obstacle to anything I want to create...

If anyone is interested, I do have more to write on my experiences, good & bad ones, but for now, I'll upload some photos of the arrival of my machine and post again shortly.

Andre.

[cabnet636]

thats a big router!! please keep posting it helps all!!


crank it up!!

jim

[rocket67]

Hi Andre, Excellent photos, always good to see a new machine arrive.

Glad to see you posting, even though it took you 3 years to make the first one. Hope you make it a habit now!

Those crates are built very well - you will have plenty of scrap steel for projects.

The machine sure looks chunky! Your wait will have been worth it.

It would be great if you write of your experiences in purchasing, shipping, power requirements etc. Makes for interesting reading, and helps others that may be interested in buying a CNC Router.

Lots of photos too please.

Rocket.

[Rick Carter]

Like Rocket and Jim said, they are really excellent photos, intend to sneak some of them when you are absent, hope you don't mind :0 And yes! pls keep posting... shall continue...

[Andre09]

Before purchasing the K60MT, I was constantly looking for detailed photos of various Chinese Routers. It was difficult to get the kind of photos one would find useful from sales people in order to analyse the machine and see whether the design was to your liking. I was lucky enough to have been able to see in person an Excitech Machine(SHM 1325) here in Melbourne, and from then on, I was convinced about going the Chinese Route. Members of the forum such as Rocket67, Big S & many more have put up photos of their own machines which helped me immensely in deciding what kind of machine I wanted.

That being the case,its only fair that I post some of my own photos now that my machine has arrived so that others may also have a better insight into these machines. At the moment I can only comment on the physical appearance and build of the machine as power has not yet been connected. When I finally do get connected, I also hope to have the time to upload videos of my machine in operation, as this to me is the best way to get an understanding of a machines capabilities.

The photos in this post are of the machine structure and the different things that make up the machine. Enough talking, here come some photos...

Btw, I have not yet had the time to clean down the machine properly yet, so don't take too much notice of the dirt & grime. One of the slightly disappointing things was the that the machine wasn't very clean when it arrived. Things like the vacuum bed had alot of debris in the slots, such as electrical wiring etc.. There is also a paint spot on the bed and some oil, all of which is not a huge problem, but when you get a new machine, its a lot more pleasant to see it in a new state....

[Andre09]

Here are a few small videos I received from the manufacturer when the machine was nearing completion. They are not that interesting, but when you see your machine coming to life, it's a pretty exciting moment...

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QttoXmcIaAc&feature=related"]YouTube - K60MT Factory Demo1

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygz8tDnSEAk&feature=player_profilepage"]YouTube - K60MT Factory Demo2

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2asqNd5jK2Y&feature=related"]YouTube - K60MT Factory Demo - Partial Build

[rocket67]

Excellent thread Andre. Really enjoying your photos and videos.

You will find that the Lubrication System works very well. The pump lever on the canister should be operated only once a week. Do not go overboard with it or there will be oil dripping off the Z axis. I always place a bit of scrap under the Spindle area when the machine is not in use, as you will get drips of oil now and again.
With our first machine, i am always frustrated by the lack of operator applied Lubrication to the rails. On the Quick machine i quite often wipe the rails to avoid excessive Lubrication ( a much preferred situation! ).

It needs to be mentioned that we are buying these machines " Factory Direct ", at very low prices. The Chinese manufacturers are not big on Detailing the machines after manufacture, or providing extensive manuals.
Therefore, any intending purchasers need to be aware that the machines will arrive with swarf in some areas, maybe a little overspray from the painting and offcuts of wiring and washers in the bottom of the control cabinet.
So have some " Wax and Grease Remover " handy and give the whole machine a thorough cleaning. Also open the control cabinet and Vacuum the bottom of it, remove the side covers from the gantry and remove any swarf sitting in them. The savings are well worth a bit of " elbow grease "

Here is a superb comparison - Yesterday i received an Email from a Melbourne based CNC Router Business. They have just launched a marketing campaign for their new Mighty Boy CNC Router. It is a 1200 x 2400 machine, with 7 Station Auto Tool Changer, Vacuum System, and Dust Extraction. Installed, and with 3 days training it is $68,000.
For those requiring the "Gloss" it is probably a good buy.
However by importing our own machine from China - we are paying a lot less than half of this price! I would rather keep money in my bank account and do my own cleaning!
http://www.protechcnc.com.au/procamCNC.htm

Rocket.

[todd71]

"Here is a superb comparison - Yesterday i received an Email from a Melbourne based CNC Router Business. They have just launched a marketing campaign for their new Mighty Boy CNC Router. It is a 1200 x 2400 machine, with 7 Station Auto Tool Changer, Vacuum System, and Dust Extraction. Installed, and with 3 days training it is $68,000.
For those requiring the "Gloss" it is probably a good buy.
However by importing our own machine from China - we are paying a lot less than half of this price! I would rather keep money in my bank account and do my own cleaning!
http://www.protechcnc.com.au/procamCNC.htm"

For that price I guess I could over look the
violation of human rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China , lack of environmental regulation enforcement
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/95755
currency manipulation
http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...ss-mostpopular
and having a state controlled media.
http://www.onthemedia.org/yore/trans...redpencil.html
On second though maybe not.
But my point is "What is the true "cost" of that discount?". A lot more than you seem to think.

Liberty for ALL,
Todd

[Andre09]

In Response to Todd71, I would have to say that I agree with the points that he is making. His suggestion is that by purchasing a CNC Router or anything else from China, I am a supporter of Human Rights violations and Environmental Destruction.

Indirectly I guess that I am, and for that I put my hand up. I have thought long and hard about buying from China. After seeing a full Sized $120,000 machine from Procam Australia at my previous employment, I can definately say that I would have preferred to keep my money within my own country.

Having said that, I am a hobbyist and more or less just someone working for the "Man", so financially it would be impossible for me to own such a machine. I am motivated to build my own machine, and had I known all the ins and outs of such a build, I probably would have gone down that route.

With the great spoils of American life, I'm not sure that you'd appreciate what it costs people in Australia to purchase things like CNC machinery. We have virtually no Used CNC market, only a handful of manufacturers and even if we were to build our own machines, everything would need to be imported, either from the US or somewhere in Asia.

So, what is a man to do.
I can sit in my lounge room and spend all of my days secluded away, watching documentaries with activists telling me how bad the current state of the world is, so that all hope of a decent life is drained from me, or I can accept that I am participating in a necessary evil by purchasing this machine, and balance things out by never having to buy cheap chinese furniture again, while also contributing to the economy here by helping others do the same, when they buy furniture from me made in Australia, with Australian materials, using a Chinese Machine.

If my venture were to become serious enough to warrant another machine, be assured I would definately pursue either the Australian Route or the Self Build Route. Not because I don't want to deal with the Jinan Quick CNC Company, but because I would be in both a better financial position, and have a greater knowledge base with which to build my own.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if all of the people like me immediately stopped buying chinese. Would the people then be better off ??

In any event, I am here to help people who have an interest in CNC machinery, not to debate the state of the world. Lets turn the subject back to the purpose of this thread.

[Andre09]

For most people, the most daunting thing to get their heads around will probably be the electronics. I myself have only a basic understanding of how electrical componentry works. Anything beyond voltage, current, amps and power is a little beyond me at this stage, but as I progress, I hope to have a better understanding, especially in terms of motion control components.

Attached are images of the Electrical cabinet of my machine. It appears neat and well built with plenty of space for heat dispersement. It should be a simple wire up for the electrician. In the future I hope to upgrade the machine to operate it using a Mach3 Controller. It would be great if it could be done using the majority of electronics which are already present in the cabinet. I also purchased a 4th Axis attachment, which I was told needed to be connected using a port from one of the existing axes. By this I mean that if you want to use the 4th Axis, either the X-Axis or Y-axis will be inoperable. I hope to be able to rectify this and have all axes working at the same time. Hopefully a Mach3 controller will have this ability.

Btw, can anybody tell me what the two Black Transformer like components are shown in the bottom section of the cabinet, and also what function the component with the wire mesh front perfoms ??

[Andre09]

Hi todd71, the purpose of the thread is not an advertisment for my Manufacturer. I have no real understanding of how the manufacturing industry works in China, so I can't make any concrete judgement, but it does seem that there are many of the same machine sold by different companies. . Not something that happens here in Australia. A Procam CNC Router is a unique machine, not manufactured by 100 other companies. My thread is aimed to be informative for all, not specific to one brand.

The lack of information, or lack of quality of information was a great source of frustration and angst during my purchase. Having other people on the forum document and share their experience was a great asset to me and this is my way of returning the favour.

After I have posted the photos of my machine, I will then focus my attention more on making chips and sharing my projects with people on the forum. Unfortunately I am awaiting a 3Phase Power Installation which has set me back some time. But I take your point, I could be seen to come across as an advertisment...

I appreciate that you hold no animosity towards me as CNC is my hobby and I'm here on the forum for enjoyment and education and no other reason. I see alot of threads turn personal and I have no interest in that at all. Noone will be happier or prouder than me whan I can share my projects on the forum...

[Rick Carter]

Hi Andre,

The two transformers are for the 4 stepper drivers, each transformer is for 2 drivers, I thought the driver is in 110V, so it is for transfer the 380V power into 110V which the drivers could work. And the "wire mesh" you mentioned is a filter, which is for making the useful signals pass to the driver stably and unuseful ones blocked. In other word, it is for the machine which can work more stable.