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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    Hey gfacer2,
    I did buy some extra tool holders... but we often do various machining/other operations...

    I have room to add forks and have tools setup and ready to go.

    I found that switching tools around is possible.. the problem is that you have to keep track in you CAD/CAM softwares, what is installed when, etc...
    and then you have to keep setting up and remeasuring tools in SYNTEC...

    If I can set up extra forks, and have those tools already measured, why not...
    SYNTEC has 96 tool positions in can store measurements for...

    we need at least 6 for our cabinets... and 4 for our dovetail drawers.. and a combination of other tools for making one piece doors...
    etc...

    THANKS GUYS !

    I have been looking over info we are all sharing.

    BTW.. a few pages earlier, someone posted a long PDF that show a SYNTEC controller on the BENCH being hooked up to a keyboard, and then loading what I think is the CORE Syntec software--operating system.

    Has anyone tried that?.. Upgrading the "firmware" would be good to resolve any glitches.. but My concern would be if it wiped out your setup you got from the original machine maker...



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    Routerhead,....
    I think Roctech is now selling through a dealer here in the US... hopefully he can help.

    I learned that I am still glad I got the machine from ASIA.. because I got the servo, spindle, rails, etc.. I wanted...
    But they seem to rush things a LOT !!!!
    therefore the assembly workmanship leaves a lot to be desired.
    I had to redo my vacuum connections, electrical connections, etc....

    And any dealer here... well... I guess you are going to find out how capable they really are.

    - - - Updated - - -

    ANY of you guys had any dealings with CENTROID?
    it's a CNC Controlls company...
    I'm considering getting a whole new control system...

    offer your opinions please.



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    I had a Centroid on my last machine and really liked it. It's a similar feel to the syntec.

    If I had to redo a machine I'd use it.

    I'm in Langley. But I'd have bill you to come take a look or my wife would kill me. Pm me and I can help you troubleshoot first and see where that goes.



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    So I think I uploaded the ladder via via : System Admin - System settings - import (select cnc.lad).

    And then restarted I think. So pretty easy. But it was a while ago.

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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    CENTROID is a US based company that seems to do a lot of MILL CONVERSIONS.

    What I didn't like about SYNTEC right away, is that it has a poor toolpath preview...
    The file names have to be short...
    The LACK of info from the Manufacturer of machine or SYNTEC themselves.. is very dissapointing.

    It seems quite capable... but I have been studying it for a while... and it seems like it is continueing something started in DOS days.

    Even the PLC stuff bounces back and forth, turning on S bits, then C bits, then A bits.. then and I bit, triggers another bit...
    Register 445... is really 245... stuff like this is just wacky.

    I hope to either beat it at it's own game.. or replace it if I must.

    How can Mach 3 or others like it .. be so much more adaptable and customizable... with more ease.. then supposedly an industrial controller...?



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    gfacer2,

    So did you somehow Copy and Paste some of the ladder and then modify it for the [F5] button?

    I had to painstackingly print page by page the PLC editor manual...

    One of the problems.. is that the existing Ladder structure is very hard to understand, since there is very few notations...



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankmali17 View Post
    gfacer2,

    So did you somehow Copy and Paste some of the ladder and then modify it for the [F5] button?

    I had to painstackingly print page by page the PLC editor manual...

    One of the problems.. is that the existing Ladder structure is very hard to understand, since there is very few notations...
    I exported the ladder (same way just export) , and now I can open in the mcledit program.

    Mine had actually quite a few headings which help.

    As for Centroid it is also based on dos origins (mine was dos, then upgraded to Linux by me).

    But Centroid does have some really good installers that can be contracted to troubleshoot and probably modify things. Otherwise I'm hesitant to say it's way better. Syntec seems solid enough. The preview in Centroid was only so so too though it was bigger. But better to preview in the cam software first if you need it.

    I used the preview more as a file checker than anything else as it would alert you if you were outside the bounds of the machine.



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    Wow.. Loads of new posts here! Frankmali17, you asked if i received the machine and performed the update as described in the manual i attached; No. I don't have the machine yet, but i'm gathering information.

    It seems like we both have the same goal.. The max number of tools i could order was 8 for an inline ATC My machine should have more than enough space to have 2 rows for the inline ATC, so i wanted to add a 2nd row for more tools, which seems like a bit of a puzzle with these weird, non logic codes without any form of description what i understand from you. Wouldn't it simple work by adding more tools and make the callibration to these new tools done by hand (m991t9) as described in this vid;



    @mikedk; you mention air-cut for the spindle; you mean the spindle that uses air to keep the bearings clean? did you cut that air?

    @routerhead; Is there a power-supply that powers the logics of the affected parts?

    Anybody here with an ATC and an auto-tool measurement? I thought F1 or F2 would enable/disable the auto tool measurement after an atc? Would it also be possible to have some tools use this feature by default and others not?



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    Serum yes on my ATC spindle it blows air out through the bearing to keep it clean.
    when i got the machine it was blowing all the time, I change it so it's only blowing when the spindle is running.
    then I also mention AIR Blow, there is a button for that, I use that for my mist spray
    and changed the ladder so i can use M8 to turn it on and M9 to turn it off.
    On my machine is F1 dust hood up and down and F1 works with M175/176, F2 is Tool release, Don't push it if you dont have your hand on the tool holder, It will drop the tool in a second.
    F3 is limit override, F4 is not in use on my machine and F5 is for auto tool measurement.

    /Mike



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    That sounds like a a good idea (cut the air to the spindle) it's just wasting air if it's powered on and not in use. (and from what i've heard it creates an rather loud hiss). I might put a valve on that as well, did you made the mist spray add-on yourself too? (relay)? Does yours use a Delta or Fulling inverter? did you simple use an aux-channel on the VFD to power the air?

    I think on my machine f1 is for the hood and f2 is for the auto-tool measurement after an atc. (don't know, don't have the machine yet)

    I'm using Fusion 360 and modified the postprocessor for Fanuc slightly (according to the manual it should have g21/22 changed to g71/72 to have it working. the supplier of the machine was so helpful to post a video of my part being produced by the syntec using that postprocessor i edit, which seems to work. Noticed when posting some gcode the stock Fanuc PP doesn't support mist cooling (m7), only flood. (M8)

    Good to have a thread like this, it was one of the reasons i opted for the Syntec controller..

    Does any of you use an air-sensor in the e-stop/pause circuit when the air pressure drops? I understand the HSD spindle requires air to keep the tool in place.



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    Hello SERUM... Welcome to the Forum... and Others as well..
    Understand that Your SYNTEC.. can be totally different then anyone elses... just like Mach3 can be all differently set up, by different people...
    The GOOD news though, is that the SYNTEC Manufacturer, seems to have "pre-made" certain setups and Macros.. that are then modified by the people that assemble your machine.

    SO.. [F1] seems to be most often associated with Dust hood UP/DOWN. Macros M175/M176 are not found in the macro folder on my machine, but are built into the PLC ladder.. and also move the hood up/down.

    Mine has F2 for tool release, (does the same thing as the green button on my HSD)... but I think the PLC ladder won't let you release the actual tool, if the spindle is spinning.
    BUT.. it it's sitting there, and you press F2.. the tool will fall out --- SO WATCH OUT FOR THAT

    F3 seems to be for returning back into the boundaries of "soft limits' .

    I want to set up MY F4 for dust collection.. that I can turn on with a Macro... or more like an Mcode built into the PLC ladder... I'm thinkin M185/M186...
    (every so often someone forgets to turn it on and makes a lot of dust)

    My machine, if you Press F5.. it toggles on the tool sensor.. So when you will be doing a tool change.. the T0000 macro will then proceed with tool measuring.
    For some reason, if i'm just changing tools around, I have to make sure I put the machine in metric mode, or I get out of limit errors....
    I believe I need to modify/fix my T0000 macro for that.

    When F5 is activated, and it measures the tool after ATC.. it records the tool length in the tool offset database...

    I then keep F5 turned off, until I need to measure the tool after another replacement.



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    Default Re: Chinese CNC Syntec 6MA my experience

    My machine currently doesn't work when I hit the "LAMP" button, although my machine has a light attached to the right gantry Riser...
    I never found a good use for the light so I don't care much about that...

    But My Mist or Coolant buttons, or M8/M9 don't work.. They don't seem to be set up inside.

    ABOUT ATC TOOL RELEASE...
    HSD told me that the hissing air is blowing all the time to create "positive pressure" inside the chambers, to keep dust out.. and I believe them.. but I will too look for a way to turn it off with an inline solenoid so that I'm not going to keep all that air hissing when the spindle isn't running.

    ALSO.. the HSD spindle Holds the ISO30 Tool holder tightly in the spindle by Use of a Grabbing Mechanism that is spring-loaded.. and pulls constantly on the "pull-stud"... When you want to release the tool, you are using air pressure to "release" the tool..
    So notice the tool doesn't fall out if your air pressure goes out overnight.

    My machine - as should others.. does have a mechanical air pressure sensor... that should alert SYNTEC if there isn't enough pressure. I had trouble with mine at some point.. and SYNTEC would show an alarm and refuse to run a program.

    As for adding more tools.. . In the Parameter list and setting menu... My Parameter seems to be within the boundaries of 1 to 16 tools...

    So I'm not sure if I can overcome that just by rewriting the Macros? or will I have to modify the PLC ladder...



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