CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net!



Home Page Mark Forums Read Today's Posts My Replies Classifieds Reviews Photo Gallery Web Links Share Files Advertise With Us Ad List
Go Back   CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net! > MetalWorking Machines > Bridgeport and Hardinge Mills


Bridgeport and Hardinge Mills Discuss Bridgeport and Hardinge Mills here!


This forum is sponsored by:

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Ban this user!
Old 04-26-2011, 10:32 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: usa
Posts: 40
cnc1000 is on a distinguished road
Series 1 Boss5 SMD board signals messed up. Help!

I have a Series 1 Boss 5 cnc mill and the Z axis is nuts. X and Y are fine. Z acts like it has dead transistors. Changed them, to no avail. Looked at the drive signals to the bases of the transistors and they are all bad. I disconnected the power transistor bases and instead, drove some diodes to simulate driving the base emitter junction. Looking at the drive signals, I should see square waves with about 0.6V and 0V levels. Instead, I see 0.6V and negative 5V! I swapped out another SMD board and got the same result. The other SMD board is unknown condition, so maybe both are hosed up. I have a whole stack of manuals, but nothing for the SMD boards.

Is there a typical failure mode for these? Any clue what to check, next? The SMD output from the other axis (X and Y) are fine. What could be causing negative voltage to come out of the SMD board? Thanks. cnc1000
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old 04-28-2011, 09:15 AM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 530
HillBilly is on a distinguished road

If you are measuring across the junction what you are seeing is forward and reverse bias. If you make your base V reading with your black lead on ground you will see the voltage never goes negative.

Darek
Reply With Quote

  #3   Ban this user!
Old 04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: usa
Posts: 40
cnc1000 is on a distinguished road

The other two axis behave properly and the base-emitter voltage is what you would expect, namely +0.6V and 0.0V, with no negative excursions. The bad axis (Z) is the only one showing illegal voltages. These are NPN power transistors being operated as switches, and should never ever see reverse bias. Something upstream is not operating properly, in order to get reverse bias on the Base-Emitter junction. I have limited documentation and can't really diagnose it from here.
Reply With Quote

  #4  
Old 04-29-2011, 05:21 AM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 530
HillBilly is on a distinguished road

Here is the drive schematic. There are no negative power supplies used.

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attach...5&d=1176638444

I would check your fuse 14 and compare its voltage against fuse 12 & 13. That will make sure your motor has power and ready for the transistors to ground the windings.
Reply With Quote

  #5   Ban this user!
Old 04-29-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: usa
Posts: 40
cnc1000 is on a distinguished road

I checked that fuse and literally every other fuse on the machine. All good. Your suggestion of a dead supply is a good one. That might explain how I am getting negative voltages, because if any of the phases are moving the stepper, then the stepper could be generating positive and negative voltages itself, because steppers also work as generators. That voltage could be backfeeding somehow.

The machine I have has BOSS 5 controls, but I'm not sure my documentation is correct. Back to square 1.

Thanks for the schematic. That helps a lot. I see those fuses called out on a separate board somewhere. I'll look for it but I don't see a designation or location for it. Hope that is the problem.Thanks!

Last edited by cnc1000; 04-29-2011 at 02:51 PM.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #6  
Old 04-29-2011, 03:55 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 530
HillBilly is on a distinguished road

Here is another helper

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attach...0&d=1215725875

Darek
Reply With Quote

  #7   Ban this user!
Old 04-29-2011, 09:30 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: usa
Posts: 40
cnc1000 is on a distinguished road

Thanks. Found it. Fuses are all good, dangit.... Don't know what else to try. cnc1000
Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
boss 5, series 1, smd




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bridgeport CNC Revival (series 1 boss5) could use some advice Ksoggs Bridgeport and Hardinge Mills 3 12-13-2010 10:37 PM
FANUC P25 Base 2 Board for Series 15 gbowne1 Fanuc 3 01-22-2010 10:32 PM
NEED ERS BOARD FOR SERIES 1 CNC BRIDGEPORT machineman8000 Bridgeport and Hardinge Mills 2 05-05-2009 07:40 PM
Mastercam X MACH 3 POST - Bridgeport Series 1 CNC (was BOSS5) bbuonomo Screen Layouts, Post Processors & Misc 4 12-31-2006 11:41 PM
To convert Quadrature Encoder signals to Tachogenerator signals Babar General Electronics Discussion 4 02-21-2006 12:05 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:45 PM.





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Template-Modifications by TMS

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361