Need Help!- New to bobcad v22 help opening file?

[moldmker]

Originally Posted by Coolster No I do want to cut the entire part out of a round stock 2" on my 4th axis by indexing it around. I just want to make seperate paths.

One thing to keep in mind.
You can't rotate the UCS out of the XY plane and produce a toolpath.
You will need to rotate/copy the model relative to the UCS. (maybe make a separate layer for each orientation.)

I may be wrong about this, if so, please someone jump in and correct me.

moldmker

[HMB3000]

If your just using the edges...your ucs is not an issue as bobcad will not care on a 2D file for a pocket path...But if you use the model then yes Moldman is correct you're going to have to rotate part...I did not look that close at the file but it looked like the pockets could be done in 2D

[BurrMan]

Originally Posted by moldmker One thing to keep in mind. You can't rotate the UCS out of the XY plane and produce a toolpath. You will need to rotate/copy the model relative to the UCS. (maybe make a separate layer for each orientation.) I may be wrong about this, if so, please someone jump in and correct me. moldmker

In version 23 there is a new tab in your feature called "Posting" and in that dialogue is an "Output Rotary angle" option.

If you want to index a part you use this. If you select cylindrical stock, the whole system outputs the x or y value as "a".

To just do single rotations for each feature, use the Posting dialogue which will rotate the rotary axis to that value just for that feature.

The 2d operations are much quicker and more efficient than the 3d ones when they can accomplish the same thing.

[BurrMan]

Originally Posted by BurrMan In version 23 there is a new tab in your feature called "Posting" and in that dialogue is an "Output Rotary angle" option. If you want to index a part you use this. If you select cylindrical stock, the whole system outputs the x or y value as "a". To just do single rotations for each feature, use the Posting dialogue which will rotate the rotary axis to that value just for that feature. The 2d operations are much quicker and more efficient than the 3d ones when they can accomplish the same thing.

Ooops! I forgot this was in regards to V22. Dont take offense, My apologies.
Please disregard.

Burr

[Coolster]

Originally Posted by BurrMan Ooops! I forgot this was in regards to V22. Dont take offense, My apologies. Please disregard. Burr

So v23 is much better? Doest it have an problem like I am haveing with the software shutting down? Unexpected error?

[BurrMan]

Originally Posted by Coolster So v23 is much better? Doest it have an problem like I am haveing with the software shutting down? Unexpected error?

I dont know that I would approach it that way. I have had good experience with V22 also. V23 has many added features (Like the rotary I was talking about earlier).

If you are having some kind of issues with the operation of your V22, dont be scared to post specifics and figure it out with the help of others. Many users with much combined experience.

Keeping up with the software wont be a bad thing. IMO, It's headed in the right direction.

Burr

[Coolster]

Originally Posted by BurrMan I dont know that I would approach it that way. I have had good experience with V22 also. V23 has many added features (Like the rotary I was talking about earlier). If you are having some kind of issues with the operation of your V22, dont be scared to post specifics and figure it out with the help of others. Many users with much combined experience. Keeping up with the software wont be a bad thing. IMO, It's headed in the right direction. Burr

I would say my biggest problem is the unexpected error and the software then shutting down that is very frustrating. I do alot of parts but now I have been getting more and more 4th axis work what would be my best move right now?

[Allen123]

BobCAD V22 Will open SLDPRT files for Solidworks V 2008 or earlier

BobCAD V23 Will open SLDPRT file for Solidworks V2009 or earlier. ( only if you download the new build that was just posted )


If you are trying to open a SLDPRT file in BobCAD and it wont open check to see if your Solidworks drawing has a suppressed feature in the tree. This will most likely cause a problem.

Dxf for 2D/ 3D wire frame

Iges is the best translator for trimmed surface files

Step is the best translator for Solid models.

2D machining in BobCAD is done with wire frame ( drilling, pockets, profiles, ect )

If you are cutting a 2D part from a solid follow these steps.


#1

Create a new layer and make it active

#2

Extract the wire frame for the pockets or profiles you want to cut. ( in most cases this would be based on 1 or 2 faces - surfaces - )

#3

Turn off the solid layer so you are only looking at the wire frame

#4

Create machining features in the Job tree to cut your part .


If you are working on 3D parts or machining you need to zero your part, not just for X Y but for Z.

3D machining is based on the surfaces or solids directly. You may need to create some 2D / 3D wire frame boundaries control where the tool will cut or not cut.

Create your machining features in the job tree and cut your part.


If your software is talking along time to calculate it is either based on the setting your are using for the feature ( very small step over ect ) or you are calculating a lot of moves ( Z level and equi distant take the longest )

You may need to step away for the software for a bit. Take a smoke go get a coffee or flirt with one of the girls in the office.

Any way even if the screen turns white or what have you don't just click your mouse on the screen multiple time ( not going to help will cause almost any system to crash windows error based on too much mouse clicks )


It after what seems like too long the software isn't done calculating one of 2 problems.

You need more memory on your computer ram video processor

or you have an issue with your model or settings for cutting.

All systems take time to process even the really expensive ones. So just chill and wait.

[Allen123]

Originally Posted by BurrMan In version 23 there is a new tab in your feature called "Posting" and in that dialogue is an "Output Rotary angle" option. If you want to index a part you use this. If you select cylindrical stock, the whole system outputs the x or y value as "a". To just do single rotations for each feature, use the Posting dialogue which will rotate the rotary axis to that value just for that feature. The 2d operations are much quicker and more efficient than the 3d ones when they can accomplish the same thing.

You only need to setup cylindrical stock for wrapping.

If you want to out put an A or B index that can be done at any time in the posting section of any 2D machining feature.

As long as your post supports it, you will get that index code in your program.

[Allen123]

Also the UCS and 4th axis.

You can snap the UCS to the face of a part for an automatic insert of the rotation needed for that face to be at zero.

No you would not use the UCS for an in " car position " to set zero


If you zero your part and you want to find out / post the rotation move to have the "indexed face " to be perpendicular to the Z BobCAD will do this.

It's really cool but you do have to try it a few times to get or set the XY in the right place. You use a 3 point snap and the first point is X I think, where I always through it was the 3rd point that was X

[Allen123]

Ok I don't have this just right, I need to work on my post more and I am a little unsure about where I reset the Zero to on the face for the index, but take a look this is what I got.





Zero part for round stock




2D wire frame for profile cutting




Tool path preview



New UCS for the face that you want to be at zero. ( it's shown in blue )



Different view of tool path




%
O100 (PROGRAM NUMBER)
(PROGRAM NAME - FINISH PEG .NC)
(POST - HAAS VF)
(DATE - THU. 02/12/2009)
(TIME - 02:53PM)

N01 G00 G17 G20 G40 G49 G80 G90

N02 G91 G28 Z0.
N03 G91 G28 X0. Y0.

(FIRST CUT - FIRST TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N04 T01 M06
N05 G90 G54 X2.305 Y-1.5458 S561 M03
N06 G43 H01 Z1.225 M08
N07 G01 Z.875 F11.0008
N08 Y-.5458 F11.23
N09 Y-.2526
N10 X4.5113
N11 G17 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N12 G01 X5.1543
N13 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N14 G01 Y.177
N15 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N16 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N17 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N18 G01 X1.675
N19 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N20 G01 X.045
N21 G00 Z1.225
N22 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N23 Z.975

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N24 X2.305 S561
N25 G01 Z.625 F11.0008
N26 Y-.5458 F11.23
N27 Y-.2526
N28 X4.5113
N29 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N30 G01 X5.1543
N31 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N32 G01 Y.177
N33 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N34 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N35 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N36 G01 X1.675
N37 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N38 G01 X.045
N39 G00 Z1.225
N40 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N41 Z.725

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N42 X2.305 S561
N43 G01 Z.375 F11.0008
N44 Y-.5458 F11.23
N45 Y-.2526
N46 X4.5113
N47 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N48 G01 X5.1543
N49 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N50 G01 Y.177
N51 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N52 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N53 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N54 G01 X1.675
N55 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N56 G01 X.045
N57 G00 Z1.225
N58 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N59 Z.475

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N60 X2.305 S561
N61 G01 Z.125 F11.0008
N62 Y-.5458 F11.23
N63 Y-.2526
N64 X4.5113
N65 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N66 G01 X5.1543
N67 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N68 G01 Y.177
N69 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N70 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N71 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N72 G01 X1.675
N73 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N74 G01 X.045
N75 G00 Z1.225
N76 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N77 Z.225

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N78 X2.305 S561
N79 G01 Z-.125 F11.0008
N80 Y-.5458 F11.23
N81 Y-.2526
N82 X4.5113
N83 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N84 G01 X5.1543
N85 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N86 G01 Y.177
N87 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N88 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N89 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N90 G01 X1.675
N91 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N92 G01 X.045
N93 G00 Z1.225
N94 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N95 Z-.025

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N96 X2.305 S561
N97 G01 Z-.375 F11.0008
N98 Y-.5458 F11.23
N99 Y-.2526
N100 X4.5113
N101 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N102 G01 X5.1543
N103 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N104 G01 Y.177
N105 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N106 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N107 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N108 G01 X1.675
N109 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N110 G01 X.045
N111 G00 Z1.225
N112 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N113 Z-.275

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N114 X2.305 S561
N115 G01 Z-.625 F11.0008
N116 Y-.5458 F11.23
N117 Y-.2526
N118 X4.5113
N119 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N120 G01 X5.1543
N121 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N122 G01 Y.177
N123 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N124 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N125 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N126 G01 X1.675
N127 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N128 G01 X.045
N129 G00 Z1.225
N130 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N131 Z-.525

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N132 X2.305 S561
N133 G01 Z-.875 F11.0008
N134 Y-.5458 F11.23
N135 Y-.2526
N136 X4.5113
N137 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N138 G01 X5.1543
N139 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N140 G01 Y.177
N141 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N142 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N143 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N144 G01 X1.675
N145 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N146 G01 X.045
N147 G00 Z1.225
N148 X2.305 Y-1.5458
N149 Z-.775

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N150 X2.305 S561
N151 G01 Z-1.125 F11.0008
N152 Y-.5458 F11.23
N153 Y-.2526
N154 X4.5113
N155 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4876 I.5474 J.52
N156 G01 X5.1543
N157 G03 X5.7593 Y.1174 I0. J.605
N158 G01 Y.177
N159 G03 X5.5375 Y.732 I-.805 J0.
N160 G01 X5.4689 Y.804
N161 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0541 I-.5831 J-.5549
N162 G01 X1.675
N163 G03 X1.045 Y.4241 I0. J-.63
N164 G01 X.045
N165 G00 Z1.225
N166 M09
N167 M05
N168 G91 G28 Z0.
N169 M01

(NEXT CUT - NEXT TOOL)
(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N170 T02 M06
N171 G90 G54 X2.29 Y-1.5458 S756 M03
N172 G43 H02 Z1.225 M08
N173 G01 Z-1.125 F11.0008
N174 Y-.5458 F9.0757
N175 Y-.2376
N176 X4.5178
N177 G17 G03 X5.0587 Y-.4726 I.5409 J.505
N178 G01 X5.1543
N179 G03 X5.7443 Y.1174 I0. J.59
N180 G01 Y.177
N181 G03 X5.5266 Y.7216 I-.79 J0.
N182 G01 X5.458 Y.7937
N183 G03 X4.8858 Y1.0391 I-.5723 J-.5446
N184 G01 X1.675
N185 G03 X1.06 Y.4241 I0. J-.615
N186 G01 X.06
N187 G00 Z1.225
N188 M09
N189 M05
N190 G91 G28 Z0.
N191 M01

(NEXT CUT - NEXT TOOL)
(JOB 2 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N192 T03 M06
N193 A24.453 **** I have something wrong in the post ****
N194 G90 G54 X-.9059 Y.5591 A0. S748 M03
N195 G43 H03 Z1.225 M08
N196 G01 Z.75 F2.9335
N197 X.0736 Y.3575 F2.9947
N198 X.6759 Y.2336
N199 X.7011 Y.356
N200 X.0988 Y.4799
N201 X-.8807 Y.6815
N202 G00 Z1.225
N203 X-.9059 Y.5591
N204 Z.85

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 2 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N205 A24.453 *** it is posting an angle ***
N206 X-.9059 S748
N207 G01 Z.375 F2.9335
N208 X.0736 Y.3575 F2.9947
N209 X.6759 Y.2336
N210 X.7011 Y.356
N211 X.0988 Y.4799
N212 X-.8807 Y.6815
N213 G00 Z1.225
N214 X-.9059 Y.5591
N215 Z.475

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 2 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N216 A24.453
N217 X-.9059 S748
N218 G01 Z0. F2.9335
N219 X.0736 Y.3575 F2.9947
N220 X.6759 Y.2336
N221 X.7011 Y.356
N222 X.0988 Y.4799
N223 X-.8807 Y.6815
N224 G00 Z1.225
N225 X-.9059 Y.5591
N226 Z.1

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 2 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N227 A24.453
N228 X-.9059 S748
N229 G01 Z-.375 F2.9335
N230 X.0736 Y.3575 F2.9947
N231 X.6759 Y.2336
N232 X.7011 Y.356
N233 X.0988 Y.4799
N234 X-.8807 Y.6815
N235 G00 Z1.225
N236 X-.9059 Y.5591
N237 Z-.275

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 2 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N238 A24.453
N239 X-.9059 S748
N240 G01 Z-.75 F2.9335
N241 X.0736 Y.3575 F2.9947
N242 X.6759 Y.2336
N243 X.7011 Y.356
N244 X.0988 Y.4799
N245 X-.8807 Y.6815
N246 G00 Z1.225
N247 X-.9059 Y.5591
N248 Z-.65

(NEXT CUT - SAME TOOL)
(JOB 2 CONTOUR)
(FEATURE PROFILE)

N249 A24.453
N250 X-.9059 S748
N251 G01 Z-1.125 F2.9335
N252 X.0736 Y.3575 F2.9947
N253 X.6759 Y.2336
N254 X.7011 Y.356
N255 X.0988 Y.4799
N256 X-.8807 Y.6815
N257 G00 Z1.225
N258 M09
N259 M05
N260 G91 G28 Z0.
N261 G91 G28 Y0.
N262 T01 M06
N263 M02

(END OF FILE)
(END OF PROGRAM)

N264 M30
%

[BurrMan]

Originally Posted by Coolster I would say my biggest problem is the unexpected error and the software then shutting down that is very frustrating. I do alot of parts but now I have been getting more and more 4th axis work what would be my best move right now?

Hi Coolster,

An error like that should be able to get worked out. If you would like to get specific and try to put some time on it, then maybe we can eliminate that for you.

We are using V23 for the 4th axis stuff and are liking it. "I" will keep up with BobCad. It works for what we do.

The only enexpected stops with V22 I could never figure out was when jumping in and out of Verify. Quiting Verify haphazardly could craqsh the app.
Adhering to a couple principles seems to keep this at bay for us. "When doing a verfy, dont just go to "End". Hit stop, then restart and wait for program to become ready again, then END.

If you want to post some specifics maybe some here has some input.

Burr