Newbie- Upgrade from 19 ??? yes or no

[nelZ]

I've got 19 and know it pretty well. The sales force is bigger than the code crunching force and I'm offered 22. The USB key is a plus.

Is it worth it?
How different is the GUI ?
Any thoughts in general regarding software installation, bugs, crashes, hardware incompatibility issues?

Thanks,

[moldmker]

Is it worth it? : Unless you need the added 3D paths that come with Pro package then NO.

How different is the GUI ? : Completely. Download the demo.

Any thoughts in general regarding software installation, bugs, crashes, hardware incompatibility issues? : Bobcad is still sorting things out. Yes, it's better now than when it was initially released, but there are still some serious issues.

If you use it strictly in a hobby environment it may be tolerable, but any situation where time=$, you would suffer from purchasing v22 at this point.

My opinions...others may differ.

Good luck,
moldmker

[harley4ever]

Moldmker probably says it about as good as it can be said. If you are looking to make money with it, probably a good idea to stay with what you have.

[Swag]

Well read these posts that Chris Corbell (AKA CNCdude) Closed and moved
because he didn't like the input !! Conflict of Interest to have a BCC employee
as a moderator !!

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59047

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60339

I personally JUMPED ship. In March the program will have been out 2 years, and from what I can see on the forum................STILL DON'T WORK

I am still using V21 it works unlike V22

[scadvice]

..now that I think about it... on the BBC forum and one here. All I said was that after having BBS from 17 on I was unwilling to spend anymore time on v22 trying to work with a program that was quirky and seemed to hang up everytime I tried to use. I was accused of being a quitter and and not following up after asking for enough help.
So...I am a quitter! And do not feel I should have ask for help every 5 mins. trying to get something to work, while I was losing business and all my free time!
Steve

[tobyaxis]

Originally Posted by scadvice ..now that I think about it... on the BBC forum and one here. All I said was that after having BBS from 17 on I was unwilling to spend anymore time on v22 trying to work with a program that was quirky and seemed to hang up everytime I tried to use. I was accused of being a quitter and and not following up after asking for enough help. So...I am a quitter! And do not feel I should have ask for help every 5 mins. trying to get something to work, while I was losing business and all my free time! Steve

Your Not a Quitter!!!!!!!! You paid for a software that didn't perform as it was advertised.

Picture a NASCAR Driver with a cheap car that doesn't start half the time and breaks down all the time. Can he perform?????

You didn't Quit!!!!

To the Thread Starter NelZ,

Upgrade to V21 and wait for V23 if your set on BobCAD. If you need something now look into Alibre Design with Visual Mill, or one of these http://www.cnczone.com/forums/index.php#cam_software .

Good luck and I hope you get what you want and need.

Cheers!!

[scadvice]

..I really don't think of myself as a quitter...I was... in my own way... making a point. That sometimes the best thing to do in business, is walk away before you are !!

I heard this in a movie once, and it always has stuck with me: "The Japanese have a saying...Don't fix the blame, fix the problem."

I just fixed the problem and moved on.

Cheer's - Steve

PS: I agree with Toby NelZ... If you are going to buy BC buy V21 & stay away from V22. Maybe BC can regroup... but I'm done with them, other than using the Turning part of their CAM.
When Alibre comes out with an embedded Visual Turn to go with my Visual Mill... well ...see ya BC.

[tobyaxis]

Originally Posted by scadvice ..I really don't think of myself as a quitter...I was... in my own way... making a point. That sometimes the best thing to do in business, is walk away before you are !! I heard this in a movie once, and it always has stuck with me: "The Japanese have a saying...Don't fix the blame, fix the problem." I just fixed the problem and moved on. Cheer's - Steve PS: I agree with Toby NelZ... If you are going to buy BC buy V21 & stay away from V22. Maybe BC can regroup... but I'm done with them, other than using the Turning part of their CAM. When Alibre comes out with an embedded Visual Turn to go with my Visual Mill... well ...see ya BC.

While your at it (doing up Grades) buy a Dell Precision M4400. I just got mine today and I tell you this thing is BLAZING FAST.

I just ran a PVCNC Sample File. BLADE it took 2 seconds literally. The other new pc takes about 2 minutes.

Alibre Design V10 Test; Assembly Fixture 64 parts with 20 of those parts having True Threads 5 seconds compared to about 3minutes 20 seconds.

Here are the specs on that PC

BTW: The Beast Costs $3,125.16 SWEET!!!!!!!

Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
4.0GB, DDR2-800 SDRAM, 2 DIMMS
Free 19" UltraSharp™ 1908FPW Widescreen
NVIDIA Quadro FX 1700M, 512MB
120GB Hard Drive, 7200RPM with Free Fall Sensor
Fingerprint Reader
15.4” Wide WXGA (1280x800) Display
Genuine Windows Vista Business Bonus-Windows XP Professional downgrade
Dell Wireless 370 Bluetooth Module
130W 3P, A/C Adapter
8X DVD with Cyberlink Power DVD™
No webcam with microphone
Intel WiFi Link 5300 802.11a/g/n Draft Mini Card
No Intel® vPro™ Secure Advanced Hardware Enabled Systems Management
Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
6 Cell Battery
3 Year ProSupport for End Users and 3 Year NBD On-site Service
No Onsite System Setup
3 Year CompleteCare Accidental Damage Protection
Dell Laptop Tracking/Recovery & Data Delete 3Yr
Black Wide Screen WXGA LCD Panel w/ Microphone only
Intel Centrino 2 Core Duo Processor
Vista Premium Label

SHOP DELL Precision Workstations
I'll load some pics in my profile later this week. Right now a lot of software has to be loaded plus configured. Best purchase I have made since buying Alibre Design Professional.

BTW: during the BENCH Tests it was Running 59 Processes in the background. These have to be sorted and cleaned out but it's still Blazing Fast!!!!!!!

[scadvice]

However I just bought a M90 Dell lap top on Dells web site. Supposedly scratched and dented, but I cannot find either. I'm for buying that way now, the warranty is the same and the bucks are tough this time of the year.

The M90 seems to fly but...I wouldn't want to go up against your T9400 hot rod! I've not yet gotten to the point where I generate big files or needed fast generation yet... to test the laptop.

I look forward to seeing some of your work.

Steve


Item Number Quantity Item Description


1 Precision Mobile Workstation M90 Laptop: Intel Core Duo processor T2700 (2.33GHz/667Mhz)
1 9 Cell Primary Battery
1 Hinge Cover
1 Base Assembly
1 Resource CD
1 8X DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability
1 Roxio Creator Delux
1 Processor Label
1 Roxio Software CD
1 Operating System Software CD
1 Bluetooth Wireless Card
1 Scratch & Dent
1 Hardware is Microsoft Vista Capable
1 Processor Label
1 Keyboard On Notebook
1 Assembly Cable
1 17 inch Wide Screen XGA+ Laptop Screen
1 3945 802.11a/g Wireless Mini Card
1 Genuine Windows XP Pro
1 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM 677MHz (2 DIMMs)
1 130W AC Adapter
1 130W AC Adapter additional
1 Shipping Material
1 512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M (dedicated), OpenGL
1 Documentation
1 Software CD
1 100 GB SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
1 Documentation
1 Power DVD Software



1 Prec M90 3Yr Basic Ltd Warranty and NBD On-site Service
Order Subtotal: $1,269.00
Shipping and Handling Total: $39.00

Environmental Disposal Fee: $8.00
Tax Total: $101.36
Total Charges: $1,417.36

[tobyaxis]

Hey that is a nice PC. It is the one I wanted but was discontinued. Cadalyst had a review 2 years ago that included the M90. It was rated A+ Across the Board. The pricing at that time was way more that what I paid for the M4400.

You will enjoy that Lap Top and when you need it, The Power Is There!!!!

Cheers!!!!!!!!!!