NORTH AMERICAN MADE MACHINES

[heilcnc]

I THINK IN MY FIRST POST I SHOULD HAVE NOT SAID REPLACE SYIL SORRY

I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME WE IN THE USA START MAKING THINGS AGAIN WE CAN IF
SOME COMPANY STARTS DOING CAST IRON CASTINGS AGAIN THE MACHINES HAVE
HARDENED WAYS ON THE BIGGER MACHINES SO HOW MUCH MORE WOULD YOU PAY TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY OR YOUR FELLOW AMERICAN WORKING THE GERMANS DO IT WE NEED TO START OR THIS COUNTRY WILL FAIL CAN'T YOU ALL SEE THAT BY BUYING AND NOT SELLING TO OTHER COUNTRYS DOES NOT WORK IT DID TILL THE BILL CAME IN THE MAIL!!!!
PROBABLY NO ONE WILL HEAR ME BUT I HAD TO SAY THIS THANKS

[Hirudin]

Suggestion: Leave the caps lock key disabled next time. Also, some additional punctuation would make your message more clear.

I have a Taig now and I'm probably going to upgrade in the next couple years. I would love to buy a new, American made mill about the size of the IH mill. I'm afraid I wont be able to though for a couple reasons.
Do Bridgeport still make new machines? Are there any "benchtop" mills which are larger than the Taig actually manufactured in the USA?
How much more will one of these machines cost? It's difficult, but not impossible, to justify spending two or three times more money on a mill just because it's made in the USA.

[hoss2006]

Buy American! A nice sentiment but not a pledge that can be as possible these days.
Who made the car you drive, the tv you watch or the computer you're typing on.
These sites can help.
http://www.madeinusa.org/
http://www.americansworking.com/

[heilcnc]

Ok hoss i'm sorry to say your right its very hard to find american made so much for fair
trade if you seen the news there killing more in china with lead poisoning no epa there
but i think with prices of there stuff going up that we could build machines here (if we
did not pay the ceo to much!!!!!!!!!!!)

[docltf]

it is a nice thought and would look good on the wish list but it is not going to happen. the U.S. builders that are left are steady down sizeing as fast as they can. most are importing their castings and parts from their facilities that
they have built outside the USA. over time their assembly sights will even dissapear. they are under so much goverment pressure it has turned into a joke. with extra high manufacturing taxes,osha,epa,affirmative action and many many more statutes that they have to deal with.it is better just to move out. if they dont they will end up in the courtroom.at the rate it is happening the two largest manufacturers left in the country over the next twenty years will be dunkin doughnuts and domino pizza.

bill

[ihavenofish]

...at the rate it is happening the two largest manufacturers left in the country over the next twenty years will be dunkin doughnuts and domino pizza.

bill

manufacturers of obese citizens?

sorry, couldnt resist

this thread is silly. want a US made bench top mill? start a company yourself. noones going to do it for you out of feel good patriotism.

[arizonavideo]

There is one left and doing quite well.


http://www.haascnc.com/home.asp

My IH RF-45 clone cost $1600.00 including shipping from China. No one can make any money at that price. 1000 pounds of steel.

At some point we will need to look at the trade deals and the 300 pound gorilla that is lowering world wide wages called China.

I'm in favor of sales tax and import tax only, with no tax on income or corporations but we are so far away from that now it's not even funny.

Someday when our unemployment hits 20% someone may ask "What are all these people going to do"

I'm not seeing any green sprouts yet....Ha

[ihavenofish]

There is one left and doing quite well.


http://www.haascnc.com/home.asp

My IH RF-45 clone cost $1600.00 including shipping from China. No one can make any money at that price. 1000 pounds of steel.

At some point we will need to look at the trade deals and the 300 pound gorilla that is lowering world wide wages called China.

I'm in favor of sales tax and import tax only, with no tax on income or corporations but we are so far away from that now it's not even funny.

Someday when our unemployment hits 20% someone may ask "What are all these people going to do"

I'm not seeing any green sprouts yet....Ha

funny thing about haas, the dealer up here in canada went to great pains to tell me that the castings of the TM1 were made in canada, not the US.

in any case, import tarrifs have never done anything but bad for the businesses they pretend to support. penalizing foreign companies to portect unviable local business is the wrong idea, instead you need to give reason for the local ones to compete.

[Hirudin]

I'm not a scholar on the subject, actually I know very little, but the little bit I know about trade tariffs makes me think they are a good idea.

[dertsap]

there was a gentleman who had recently posted a thread on here who stated his company sold American made mills , Made in the USA , I'm only pointing this out to show an example of someone who is doing it and could probably use some support , I'm sure there are others if people do some strong research

[ihavenofish]

there was a gentleman who had recently posted a thread on here who stated his company sold American made mills , Made in the USA , I'm only pointing this out to show an example of someone who is doing it and could probably use some support , I'm sure there are others if people do some strong research

the hitch with that, was hes not selling american made mills. hes selling chinese mills with mostly US developped and assembled retrofit kits.

which is, fine, and if he wants to tout the american made aspects thats also great.

under the same guidelines, a smithy 622 could be called US made, and a novakon nm-135 can classify as canadian made, as they both offer in house built control systems and options.

however, if we moved back to the idea of tarrifs. all three companies would be hammered and all of those jobs lost because an arcane form of government decided they shouldnt be viable. all this to protect the profits of companies not even in competition with them.

for one of those 3 companies - or others like them - to begin to produce more of the machine in their local country, they need incentive, not penalty.

[dertsap]

the hitch with that, was hes not selling american made mills. hes selling chinese mills with mostly US developped and assembled retrofit kits.

which is, fine, and if he wants to tout the american made aspects thats also great.

it wasn't a hitch , he posted the thread in honestly as to which parts were outsourced


as far as tariffs go , China will be hit hard with them , they are a means to keep the economy moving , without their cheap products we wouldn't have an economy , people can't afford to buy expensive products at this point of time , if people aren't buying then the economy dies . the governments are using them to keep the economies moving once they get back up again then china will take a hard hit in tariffs , why else would the governments of the world sit back while china counterfeits so many products and deals in unfair trading practices , their day is coming