Think im going to get a X4... any thoughts?

[simila95]

Been trolling around for a while now and i think im going to get a x4. the x4 plus is on sale from syil so i might just do that. I was also looking at the cnc jr. but it seems a lil pricey. I was also looking at the KX3-MACH from harbor freight. Cant seem to make up my mind. Help me out here. Thanks

[syil]

Originally Posted by simila95 Been trolling around for a while now and i think im going to get a x4. the x4 plus is on sale from syil so i might just do that. I was also looking at the cnc jr. but it seems a lil pricey. I was also looking at the KX3-MACH from harbor freight. Cant seem to make up my mind. Help me out here. Thanks

call syilamerica.i think x4/x4 plus....price better..hehe

[hoss2006]

Ataxy seems to like his X4, he points out some of the + and -'s here.

[Crevice Reamer]

Originally Posted by simila95 Been trolling around for a while now

Hi simila95. Welcome to the Zone!

I HOPE you have not been trolling. Trolling is not a GOOD thing on a forum. I think you mean lurking.

Have you checked out the Novakon NM-135? It's a KX3 type machine only better. $5K ready-to-go including stand. It can be had CNC ready with stand, motors and cables (You provide your own drive electronics) for only $3600.

http://novakon.net/3.html

CR.

[simila95]

Actually i was checking that one out last night. The X4 is still a lil cheaper after said and done with the 4th axis and cooling system. Im all for spending a little more money for a better machine. 4th axis on the syil is 500. and 1000 on the 135. coolant system is a little more to. Gonna do a lot more "lurking" 1st. I run a indoor skatepark and always say trolling cause they are lil kids aka trolls. I had to look up the definition and see what you were talkin about. Haha yea im not doin that.

Originally Posted by Crevice Reamer Hi simila95. Welcome to the Zone! I HOPE you have not been trolling. Trolling is not a GOOD thing on a forum. I think you mean lurking. Have you checked out the Novakon NM-135? It's a KX3 type machine only better. $5K ready-to-go including stand. It can be had CNC ready with stand, motors and cables (You provide your own drive electronics) for only $3600. http://novakon.net/3.html CR.

[Crevice Reamer]

Please note that the STAND is included in price of Novakon, as are the 3/4" heavy duty ball screws and Industrial duty N34 motors on each axis. The Novakon is a better design than X4 IMO.

Don't base everything on 4th axis cost. You can always ADD the 4th Axis later. And Flood cooling is really not much good without an enclosure. (Coolant splatters everywhere) Everything else is basically a pump and a tank--About $50. Oh, did you think you will get by with the cute little table top enclosure? Most everyone so far has REMOVED that for better table use.

CR.

[SpeedsCustom]

I'm looking into a new mill and I was so set on Syil, read some very negative posts about the quality, turned me away big time.


Going to be going with Novakon in the future.


-Jason

[joeybagadonuts]

SpeedCustom,

Did you every get the problems worked out with your Taig and EMC2?

What solved it?

We never heard back from you!

JoeyB

[Crevice Reamer]

I forgot to mention the spindle speed difference: Novakon NM-135 is 6000 RPM. a bit better for small endmills and cutting Aluminum. More powerful spindle MOTOR also.

CR.

[SpeedsCustom]

Originally Posted by joeybagadonuts SpeedCustom, Did you every get the problems worked out with your Taig and EMC2? What solved it? We never heard back from you! JoeyB

I narrowed it down to Computer/EMC2 set-up.

I ended up reducing the scale of the part by about 50% and it cut perfectly. It's still very tedious at 50%. So the computer and emc2 are not talking well with each other.




I also second what CR said. I saw the spindle RPm and it also really impressed me.

-Jason

[syil]

to compare our sales quantity,the forum post negative thread still reasonable.
mostly syil customer works them machine very well.also,i check it every day,mostly problem focus on sx3,also,i think mostly solve the problems.
X4 regular still best choice at this kind price under 4000$.you don`t need take other parts to assmable,just connect PC and run.why need buy a lot of things from third party?
i have KX3 in my hand.kx1,too. the mainboard from sieg.then use a USA made face board or spindle board to connect..if have issue of quality,who take care it.

mention kx3 spindle 6000rpm.we test it too,when run around one hour the temp very high around 75c~80c.in fact our x4 run this speed also similar temp.so we are in redesign spindle to make a real high speed spindle.
also..someone look like forgot we have x4 speed master,24000rpm..
they never use x4 machine before but just image it badly...and any customer willing to take x4,they will point others.

hope simila95 make a correct choice.

[cjdavis618]

I have thought about getting an X4 but the Syil America site says $4995 for the price still. Where do I get one at the price you are saying?

I believe that Syil needs to have a bigger distributor for the products. On several occasions, I have treid to contact the Syil america office for parts and get no response. You certainly will not sell many machines this way.

Originally Posted by SpeedsCustom I narrowed it down to Computer/EMC2 set-up. I ended up reducing the scale of the part by about 50% and it cut perfectly. It's still very tedious at 50%. So the computer and emc2 are not talking well with each other. -Jason

Jason, Did you ever try Mach at all with your mill?