do anybody know who makes those mill

[ataxy]

and in particular the wsm20v
http://www.garantmachinerie.com/Indu...erie%20WSM.pdf
the spec are as follow:
drilling: .750"
milling: .750" (i guess the mill and drill need to have 5/8" shank as i dont think there is 3/4" mt2 collet)
surfacing: 2" fly cutter
table: 7"x20"
travel: 7"x11"x12"
table to quill: 2" -> 14"
quill taper: mt2
speed: 50 to 2250 rpm variable
quill: 2" with dro
motor: 7/8hp
dimension (with base): 27"x22"x65"
weight (with base): 275 pounds
included with it:
-cabinet base
-2" pivoting vise
-drill chuck
-collet kit
-clamping kit
head pivots 45 degree left and right
at first i tought it was like a pinacle xj-95 but its not
any idea

edit:
ok after goig around the smallest one looks quite similar to the vario bf20, well at least the head, as for the bigger one it does have the same table base and spec as the vario but the head is different

[DonF]

The Xj-95 page has incorrect spec's its messed up and has been for a long time - its a BF16 Vario.
I looked at that guarant machine too it looks like a BF20 Head on a BF16 base.
There are some really cool options on the BF20. I have pic's and they are pretty good priced from china at around $ 550-USD plus freight and customs fees - the only problem is you have to buy a minimum of 5 at a time if you go direct. No spliting orders

There is a false rumor that some BF20 are made in europe, not so I got sent a picture from the china factory that shows the euro branded mills being assembled right next to the generic branded ones.

That said the x3 is pretty close spec wise and parts and service is allready here in the USA

[ataxy]

yes well i got in toutch with garant the guy told me that they are made in taiwan he also told me that they have added to the package a end mill set and that the vise as been changed for a rotating and tilting vise, anyway shipped to Montreal with taxes it comes down to 2057$

[DonF]

Originally Posted by ataxy it comes down to 2057$

Ouch! Thats high
Garant put one on ebay a few weeks ago for about $1000 usd and nobody bid
How much is an Seig x3 in Canada?

[ataxy]

the one they had on ebay was it only the mill or the same kit i posted
the x3 is not sold in Canada the x2 is sold by "house of tools" for 1200$ while "princess auto" from what i can see used to sell it for 900$ but this is without taxes
if you look at hf webpage they sell the x3 for 1025us and it seem to come with nothing except the standard drill chuck so if you take into account the shipping plus the currency exchange, the duty tax and the stuff that garant sell there mill with and add to that the pst and gst it comes quite close to the same and also the HF x3 as only a travel of 12.875x5.75x8.625 compared to 11x7x12 the table is also slightly bigger at 7x20 while the x3 is 6.25x17.625
and i have to take in consideration that if i have a problem with it the x3 dealer is in the US

[DonF]

Sounds like you have it figured out. I dont have sales taxes etc here so to me it all sounds very high. The x2 here is $475 (compared to $1200), walk out the door and be home in 5 minutes. Best of luck with your new toy.

[ataxy]

yeah well its to bad that there as been yet in Canada who tought of importing seig directly here instead of distributing it
and yeah at 13% the gst/pst taxes is really a burden

found a nice vid of the bf20 surfacing a piece of hardox400 with what seem to be a 2" face mill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AnGT4TSO_g

ok i think i found the asian maker of the bf20 type mill
http://www.weiss.com.cn/milling.htm
check out there wmd30v model its pretty nice

[ataxy]

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