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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    one more thing Yohudi, I do fusion support so I do more than just look at vids

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    Hi there

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall
    yohudi so you find the thing fusion has never been able to do at all, and pick that as your target there is no where it's says fusion can machine mesh's, then you go about it the wrong way. so can you please stop.
    I have simply demonstrated a valid reason why Fusion cannot accurately be described as a 'replacement' for gmax / cnc_toolkit for trunnion users.. which is the premise of this thread.

    Like it or not... regardless of it's age etc... there is work gmax / cnc_toolkit can complete that Fusion cannot. As you concede... this is likely to remain the case for some considerable time.... which goes to my point earlier in the thread... that gmax / cnc_toolkit will offer benefits to users of 5-axis CNC for some time to come....

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall
    Another comeback is Gmax cnc toolkit is older than fusion why can it not do the stuff fusion can do.
    From the point of view of creating objects to serve as the source for shapes / toolpaths / machining.. there's not a lot that Fusion can make that gmax can't... Fusion is much more about the application of modern thinking and methods to the design process.... but ultimately.. shaped geometry to provide tool-position / angle is really all that matters.

    g-code does not care about the nature of the surface from which it derives tool locations. As long as position is defined in a suitable coordinate system... and any required angle calculations are performed... then the code will be made.... and the cut will execute in much the same way... regardless of the application used to make it...

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall
    You said this yourself the 2 toolpaths that are the 5 axis toolpaths then you do a vid on a 3 + 2 toolpath, sort it out man you're just going to get yourself some hate.
    The reason niether of the new 5-axis methods appeared in my video is very simple.... they were of no assistance to performing the demonstrated task... if this generates a hateful response this is your problem... not mine... grow up son !!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall
    Fusion is a young program that works on two systems.....so comparing a old program with a baby program is well
    I didn't ask for excuses... justifications... or support.... I just pointed out the FACTS....


    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall
    one more thing Yohudi, I do fusion support so I do more than just look at vids.
    If you feel I suggested you only "look at vids".... this is you applying that description to yourself.. I spoke in generalities.. and avoided making things personal... There are many who speak of things on the basis of something they've seen or heard.. but have never tried... If you work in Autodesk support, you need to be able to address problems / issues in a calm, rational and polite manner.


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    I don't work for autodesk, (they support something I do) You pointed out something that people who use fusion know you saying this and that, on stuff that is not finished or does not work very well yet at all.
    You are not proving anything at all, stuff may be fact but comparing a program that has years and years under its belt to a program that started a couple of years ago is wrong. when fusion is the same age and has the same amount of dev time then yer.

    It is stated what the 2 5 axis toolpaths are for, so try the faces inverted

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    Just got an email,

    Thank you very much for being part of the Autodesk Fusion 360 community! You are coming up on the renewal of your Fusion 360 subscription. We want to make sure you are aware of a special offer to get Fusion 360 at a highly discounted rate, you can purchase for 2 years at only $60 per year ($120 for 2 years). This is a savings of 80%.

    It does not say if it is "Ultimate" or the base version. I don't have 5 axis capability, so frankly I never looked into that. I am truly a beginner in solid modeling, although I consider it necessary. For a solids beginner and going the self-taught route, the amount of online training is awesome. The $25 for last year and now $60 a year are as close to free as it gets.

    I am still using BobCAD version 27 for 2D design (started with V15), but it is probably the last version of theirs I get due to no support without a $$$ support plan.

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    It's standard the question was asked on the forum

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall View Post
    I don't work for autodesk, (they support something I do) You pointed out something that people who use fusion know you saying this and that, on stuff that is not finished or does not work very well yet at all.
    You are not proving anything at all, stuff may be fact but comparing a program that has years and years under its belt to a program that started a couple of years ago is wrong. when fusion is the same age and has the same amount of dev time then yer.

    It is stated what the 2 5 axis toolpaths are for, so try the faces inverted
    Hi There,

    First of all I must say that you seem to be missing the point entirely....

    From the hobbyists perspective, there are many FREE resources providing high-resolution mesh objects.. and much interest in acheiving simultaneous 5-axis cuts using this type of source. ANY 5-axis CAM that is unable to process high-resolution triangular meshes, leaves hobbyists unable to successfully address 5-axis carving using this type of content.

    The 5-axis strategies in the November Fusion 360 Ultimate version are driven by contours... if contours cannot be succesfully created or extracted from the surface, they are of no assistance in deriving a toolpath from an object.... you cannot for example select a Brep or T-Spline based water tight body and apply a multi-axis option.... and then Fusion generates a toolpath.... just doesn't work like that.... I've tested these options and I'm aware of how they work.. and what the suggested use is....

    Also... flipping faces has absolutely zero-impact on the ability to derive contours from this type of object...

    Even if Fusion could automatically generate contours from a mesh to drive 5 axis operations.... this would not help when it cannot process a mesh surface comprising more than 40K faces. The contours would describe a greatly degraded surface.... that would have lost much of the detail..... certainly not something you would want to use much machine time on...

    With regard to comparing gmax and Fusion 360:-

    Firstly.. look at the premise of the thread... answering the question that was posed demands such a comparison... which you didn't seem to mind previously...

    As I look back over the thread I lose count of the times it's stated by you and others that gmax is dead, has seen zero development for 11 years, how gmax/cnc_toolkit is some kind of rubbish hack that doesn't bear mention in the same breath as Fusion 360 etc etc. At this point you have changed the tune and it's now 'unfair' to compare an in-development application like Fusion against gmax.. that gmax benefits from longer history and more settled development.... etc etc..

    You can't have it both ways....

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    All you are doing is showing what gmax cnctool kit can do, and it's stuff what fusion has not been able to do, or do very well at all YET.

    Going on about something anyone who uses fusion knows it can't do is well pointless, all you are doing is showing where fusion needs more work and it will get it,

    A program that is around 2 years old and somethings are not finished yet comparing it to a program that can do stuff fusion can not do yet and is very old, you could get the reply no poo sherlock it will in a few years time.

    dans question the answer is simple.

    Yes it will depending on what you need to do, and the features that are not there yet will come with time, as they are making fusion to work on Apple and windows it takes extra time for features to get completed.

    what it can not machine yet are mesh (.stl, .obj so on), you can convert them to sold models but at this time there is a limit and type that can be processed, there are various ways to get around it.

    it can do wrap what is axis subbing, it can do 3 + 1 and 3 + 2 indexing, it has 2 5 axis toolpaths available at this time there purpose is stated in the blog post about the November update.

    Now if you ask a employee they will agree fusion will be ahead of where it is now if they did not want it on 2 OS.

    now does cnc tool kit and gmax work on Apple.

    So if someone wanted to machine mesh why would you get fusion you wont, That would be a wasted of time getting fusion to it could work with mesh.

    so compare something fusion can do and gmax cnctoolkit can do Apples to Apples, Then hammer me over that and I will eat my hat, if I can not do it better.

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    Hi there,

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    All you are doing is showing what gmax cnctool kit can do, and it's stuff what fusion has not been able to do, or do very well at all YET.
    Well that's rather the point isn't it ??? If there is work Fusion 360 cannot do... and gmax can do.... Fusion is at best a partial replacement... This type of qualification has been notably absent from the discussion until these most recent posts.... Previously Fusion was described as the bees-knees, the canine's testicles... why would you even look at something 'Dead' for eleven years etc etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    Going on about something anyone who uses fusion knows it can't do is well pointless.........
    This might seem the case from your perspective.. but I am not trying to win over Fusion 360 fanboys... I'm addressing those who want to use 5-Axis for more than manufacture of fairly simple geometric forms / parts and assemblies... gmax/cnc_toolkit can easily design / manufacture parts and assemblies.... but I'm speaking more about 5-axis tool-pathing higher resolution / detail and larger objects.... both of which by their nature often involve use of dense mesh objects.....

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    A program that is around 2 years old and somethings are not finished yet .........
    Again... you had no problem with this type of discussion when you felt it was going more favourably... but now you seem to be calling foul.... It IS to be hoped that Autodesk will resolve issues with mesh objects..... Unfortunately hope cuts no chips when work arrives as high-resolution mesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    dans question the answer is simple.

    Yes it will depending on what you need to do....... ....... (.stl, .obj so on), you can convert them to sold models but at this time there is a limit and type that can be processed, there are various ways to get around it.

    it can do wrap what is axis subbing, it can do 3 + 1 and 3 + 2 indexing, it has 2 5 axis toolpaths available at this time there purpose is stated in the blog post about the November update.
    Again it's notable that this type of qualifying statement has not been made until now... Also can you please detail your 'various' ways to 'get around it'... I'd be most interested.... gmax / cnc_toolkit can do all of the above.... and simultaneous 4 and 5-axis... It's not an automatic process.... but it is ultimately VERY flexible...

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    Now if you ask a employee they will agree fusion will be ahead of where it is now if they did not want it on 2 OS....... now does cnc tool kit and gmax work on Apple.
    The two OS thing is mainly aimed at an admitted Autodesk goal... dominating the marketplace and eradication of competitor software... I'm not aware of Apple being able to run gmax / cnc_toolkit... although I think the do have 3DSmax running on Apple and cnc_toolkit runs on 3DSMax.....but I don't use Apple products... so I can't say for certain.... If something has Apple on it I make a point of avoiding it.... I don't agree with Apple's pay more-and-more get less-and-less design philosophy.... If you can con people into accepting that.. you can con them into anything....

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    So if someone wanted to machine mesh why would you get fusion...
    At last we can agree on something... .... but I would go a bit further... learning to machine high-resolution meshes with gmax / cnc_toolkit provides the knowledge required to apply the same tools to design / machine basic geometry and shapes.... and this then changes the question to something more like.... why would you get fusion ??

    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall;
    so compare something fusion can do and gmax cnctoolkit can do Apples to Apples, Then hammer me over that and I will eat my hat, if I can not do it better.
    I don't really want to get into a gmax / Fusion tit-for-tat argument... or 'hammer' anyone or make them feel victimised..... there are obviously things that Fusion does better than gmax / cnc_toolkit and /or things that gmax / cnc_toolkit can't do... In my experience of BOTH applications 5-Axis tool-pathing for trunnion doesn't fall into that group of 'things'.

    Hope this helps

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    I could show you but you would have to help clean up the mess around here, at the moment I don't have a lot of time. I know where a vid is for another way to deal with the mesh is look up makersmuse on youtube.

    So you will show what fusion can not do but you wont rise to the challenge, If someone challenges you feelings don't come into it, it's a challenges not a cock fight.

    the 2 5 axis toolpaths work on a trunnion, the next big update there will be a couple of other 5 axis toolpaths, they are in preview now I think its adaptive and morph spiral, they drop hints at times wont do come true sometimes. morph spiral has be in preview for ages.

    So if someone wanted to machine mesh why would you get fusion...

    At last we can agree on something... .... but I would go a bit further... learning to machine high-resolution meshes with gmax / cnc_toolkit provides the knowledge required to apply the same tools to design / machine basic geometry and shapes.... and this then changes the question to something more like.... why would you get fusion ??

    In my experience of BOTH applications 5-Axis tool-pathing for trunnion doesn't fall into that group of 'things'.

    no quite correct there people who use a umc with fusion.

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    The original question was if Fusion can replace CNC Toolkit for 5 axis.
    As Yohudi has shown, at the present time, no, it can't. At least for continuous 5 axis toolpaths.

    So until it can, let's stop the pointless arguments.

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    Default Re: Will Fusion 360 replace GMax and th CNC tool kit for 5 axis trunnion tables?

    Technically, the question was WILL fusion 360 replace..., not " does" it replace...

    I believe it WILL, but only time will tell.

    However, it truly depends on what someone us doing with their 5 axis machine. If making sculptures, then yohudi may be right, but who says everyone with a 5axis machine is making something from a model with 100k faces. Maybe someone is using it to make mechanical items that aren't all that complicated in terms of CAD modeling, but still require 5 axes. Model turbine rotors come to mind. One turbine blade repeated several times around an axis but requiring 5axis machining.kind of like the one in the attached picture. I'd haven't tried it but I would bet that it can be done in fusion now. Using a sculpture model with a gazillion faces only answers the question for people wanting to do that type of work. I for one could care less about carving sculptures, so that example is list on me.

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    109jb that can be done with ultimate on a 5 axis machine.

    ger21 ok Apples to Apples

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