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    Quote Originally Posted by FastFarmer View Post
    Nice diversion! Apart from "me too" what has you blah got to do with this thread?? It was about the Masso controller... of which I think the industry should be supportive of anyone trying to offer something new, not shut the guy down because his marketing campaign is exaggerated.

    But as far as I'm concerned, all these types of controllers are open loop and therefore completely useless. Open loop with C7 ball screws really is hobby stuff and Mach 3 also doesn't support encoder feedback - junk!!

    My advise is work out what features and performance you need, and then work out what controller is suitable. If its hobby open loop then the Masso should work very well for you.
    OK, I'll take the bait.

    1. The thread was started by Jackback asking for opinions on the Masso motion controller as a replacement for his cnc controller manufactured by Logitroll who are out of business.
    2. It was pointed out to Jackback that Masso produces Motion Controllers and not a CNC controllers ( I'm using the standard definition of a motion controller is a device that produces signaling (step/dir) into a CNC Controller that has the power controllers driving the motors)
    3. Jackback then re-framed his question to " I guess my thread should have been more about can any one recomend a proven cnc controller for large stepper motor's
    4. to ready to go, out of the box, from a company with good back up and support so that I can get back into this hobby"


    Various people then discussed a number of possible options for complete controllers (along with a few other side discussions which is not uncommon on the Australia, New Zealand Club Hose forum.

    As Jackback was looking for a complete ready to go controller I joined in stating that I will soon have one that may fit his requirements.


    I'm a bit surprised at the tone of your post.

    If you read the thread through, you will see that the originator realised that the Masso motion controller was not what he was after and he then changed the question to a ready to go controller.
    Your statement "If its hobby open loop then the Masso should work very well for you" seems like you haven't understood that the originator of the thread wants a new CNC controller, not just a motion controller.
    There is nothing wrong with the Masso motion controller, it's just not what Jackback is after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastFarmer View Post

    But as far as I'm concerned, all these types of controllers are open loop and therefore completely useless. Open loop with C7 ball screws really is hobby stuff and Mach 3 also doesn't support encoder feedback - junk!!
    What a ridiculous and ill-informed rant!

    Open-loop != completely useless!

    Same goes for your statement that C7 ballscrews is really hobby stuff.

    Tell that to the many thousands of people who have built very substantial cnc and milling businesses with exactly that kind of gear. It may predominately be used by hobbyists as that is the price point config, but many hobbyists can produce very exacting dimensions using them, just like people with better quality gear can produce inferior results, so slurring hobbyists and the associated hardware in this way is just silly and ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phomann View Post
    Your statement "If its hobby open loop then the Masso should work very well for you" seems like you haven't understood that the originator of the thread wants a new CNC controller, not just a motion controller.
    There is nothing wrong with the Masso motion controller, it's just not what Jackback is after.
    Sounds off topic, but fair enough. I did just blindly jump in...

    OK, well... another option for Jackback then is go see Ausino Engineering. He can get you a cheap Chinese all in one 3 or 4 panel/motion controller/cnc controller that the steppers just plug into it. However, you have to also buy the motors designed with/for the panel.



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    Quote Originally Posted by aarggh View Post
    What a ridiculous and ill-informed rant!
    LOL!



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    Quote Originally Posted by aarggh View Post
    What a ridiculous and ill-informed rant!

    Open-loop != completely useless!

    Same goes for your statement that C7 ballscrews is really hobby stuff.

    Tell that to the many thousands of people who have built very substantial cnc and milling businesses with exactly that kind of gear. It may predominately be used by hobbyists as that is the price point config, but many hobbyists can produce very exacting dimensions using them, just like people with better quality gear can produce inferior results, so slurring hobbyists and the associated hardware in this way is just silly and ignorant.

    cheers, Ian
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    Hi Farmer

    Your video has been done with Flash, but Flash is now unacceptable to all latest-version web browser as it has far too many security holes - STILL. If you want others to be able to view it, you need to change the format from Flash to HTML5. Not my doing, just the way the web has gone.

    Perhaps you could summarise your video in text, here? Closed Loop vs Open Loop vs Rotary Encoder vs Linear Scale would be interesting, but the titles hide a mort of other choices and restrictions.

    Cheers
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    I think that may be a problem with your browser. It was uploaded to youtube as an MP4 file, not flash. You could try going to youtube and searching for "CNC closed loop v open loop". Maybe it will play directly from their site which supports html5.



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    Default Re: New Aussi CNC controller

    Not a problem with the browser, but possibly a format conversion by CNC-Zone.
    The version found on YouTube is indeed in HTML5. Thank you.

    Cheers
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    I bought a Masso last week and to be honest I think its the best thing since sliced bread. I had it installed into my machine in less than an hour and most of it working perfectly. Some of the help is very thin on the website but enough to get it all going. I have sent Jatinda some suggestions about how what to add to the website and he needs to get it in a downloadable PDF. I think the issue is he is busy producing and developing this unit and is basically a one man band and maybe a bit overrun.

    The unit is so simple to setup and runs flawlessly and is fast. It looks at 80 line ahead in the code. I bought the 5 axis one but you dont need to you can buy a 3 axis then pay I think 40 bucks for a software upgrade to 4 and 5 axis for 40 bucks each axis. There is a mill and lathe version the hardware is the same. You just pay for what firmware you want if you already own a mill version you can if you want make it a lathe version by uploading that firmware. Not difficult at all.

    I built this mill with a PMDX126 and a PMDX107 spindle controller and started it off on Mach3 I then converted it over to LinuxCNC which was a nightmare to get going but ran much better than Mach3 ever did. I was going to convert it to a Mesa motion controller with LinuxCNC and had a test setup I was playing with on a bench but setting up the HAL files is horendous you need to be a programmer so it was very slow to get anything done. I wanted to use a motion controller and get away from computers and parallel ports. I stumbled across the Masso did some research on the net about it and ordered it. There has been a few hiccups getting it interfaced correctly but that really is only lack of some paperwork.

    I have been running the machine on it..I have 6nm steppers on this machine and they are 220V steppers so has a fair bit of grunt and the Masso really throws it around. The machine sounds totally different as well. It is much smoother. Even a mate of mine who came over when I was running some Gcode on it to see the motion and accelleration etc commented as soon as he walked in saying Wow that sounds different. I have ordered some servos to fit to this machine and they will be here in a week or two so I will convert it to servos using the Masso and I think it will be just terrific.

    The best thing I like about the Masso is it has just the information you need on the screen..no superfuous crap or fancy crap. I saw some comments on another thread about not HDMI...why do you need it??????? VGA is plenty fine for it. I am sure his idea was to make it powerfull in hardware and simple to operate and it certainly is that. At this stage I give it a thumbs up and am very happy with it

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastFarmer View Post
    Sounds off topic, but fair enough. I did just blindly jump in...

    OK, well... another option for Jackback then is go see Ausino Engineering. He can get you a cheap Chinese all in one 3 or 4 panel/motion controller/cnc controller that the steppers just plug into it. However, you have to also buy the motors designed with/for the panel.
    if he is replacing a controller and stepper drivers why buy what's not needed If he gets something from Peter it's a guaranteed product with very good backup if it costs $500 more than a chinese thing it money well spent

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    The support I have had from Peter has been exceptional.

    Cheers
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    Hi Mark

    Glad to see you have decided on the Masso as this backs up my decision as well Some thing that works with least amount of rubbish attached I will be using a Masso with Clearpath sevos so no need for
    drivers this looks like one of the best was to go. The sucsess and support for the Masso and Clearpath servo combo is growing around the world

    I am also using Fusion 360 for my Cad and Cam love it

    All the best

    Jackback

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