their has to be a cheaper way to get memory upgrades... Their board cost less than $20 to produce!?!?!?!? Do we really need to pay this huge margin after dumping tons of dough into a machine? Is their another way?? I could pay a tech less than that to get me 200 gigs of memory hooked up...Anyone found another memory yet?

And Fadal techs dont post here expecting to justify the prices

So can anyone tell me whats so complicated about the memory? anyone got good pics of the board? If I had a spare board I would attempt to have larger memory chips soldered. :cheers:

I would guess it's the same as with any machine. 90% of the parts are proprietary for a reason. Nothing really 'special' about it. Just they want you to have to go back to them to replace/upgrade parts. As for the price.....I would guess greed has a lot to do with it. ;)

The machines we use at work (cincinnati milacron) have built in floppy drives. Of course these seem to go to crap every couple of years on only a couple of machines. Replacement costs....over $1000 (can't remember the exact figure, but it was excessive). And no, you can't just throw in a $15 drive from a local computer place.

When I got my -5 4 meg card I looked at it close and got the numbers off of the memory chips. I tried to look them up on some industrial chip supply sites but could not find that exact number, I may have just not looked hard enough, maybe they are only made for Fadal, who knows.

The mem card is a bank of chips and empty slots and it may be just a matter of populating the card to get the full 16 megs.

Question is who is going to solder on a bunch of mem chips onto their 2-4k$ Fadal card? Could be an expensive experiment.

What we need is an electronics guy....I bet it would be pretty easy for someone who knew what they were doing to replicate that memory card.

Guys,

I just have to comment... Memory is just one of the benefits of retrofitting your Fadal control with a good PC based control. When it comes to memory, I just love to hear all the complaining about "your" high cost and hastle. These CNC machines of ours have parts in them that do need replacement and upgrading, the good news is you don't have to keep the original machine builder on your payroll anymore. We have a Fadal with a retrofitted high speed machining PC based control coming up on it's one year aniversary. I am going to be programming the next job for it on Monday and I will be roughing at over 500 inches per minute and finishing some straight features within .005

When finishing the floor of some pockets I will have to feed at no more than F220. in order to get a good surface finish from the Sanvick 3 flute inserted end mill I'm running at S12000 RPM. These panels we run will go from 28 lbs of aluminum billet to less than 3 lbs of finished machined F16 aircraft components.

We are very close to buying a new Mori Seiki with a Fanuc control, I wonder how well it will do compared to our old Fadal with a Rubicon control?

We'll see...

Guys,

We are very close to buying a new Mori Seiki with a Fanuc control, I wonder how well it will do compared to our old Fadal with a Rubicon control?

We'll see...

Do you have the websight name to the control inquestion?

Rubicon?

Memory is just one of the benefits of retrofitting your Fadal control with a good PC based control

Thats the problem Scott....who the hell want to pay a dime for a upgrade? Why cant we have a fair price for memory? Why did some of these controls come with less than nintendo memory? Maybe I should buy fadal stock and get osme of my money back :nono:

Maybe I will go dig out my nintendo and make my $70,000.00 machine better :rainfro:


We do need a electronics guy...I know a couple. I need a spare board though...

well , if i can get hold of a card to check , i dont mind soldering etc ,
unfortunatly i live in the UK , however if someone can photograph the card and give me the chip numbers , i can see if it's possible first

Dave

If I can find a pic I will pm you

Dont get me wrong I LOVE the fadal machine....its a great medium duty machine and the controls are extremely easy to use. I just cant stand to pay over 2K for simple memory chips that cost less than $5....

No I dont garage sale ;)

electronics CNC repairs or mods is our speciality , even if we need to re-produce a new board if the need is there we will try to help where possible , this is where the small companys can beat the big boys.

regards
Dave

Dave you sure would think that if you sold the memory for $600 you could move at least 50 units on ebay!

i would rather help out the community here first with any help , but yes ebay is a viable possibility for sales.


Dave

so basically we need numbers off the chips, maybe pictures or a board.

idealy yes , good pic's of both sides of the board , and chip numbers should do fine to start with , the best of course is a spare board .

Dave

This is going to take someone with the upgrade to post up or provide info

Let me go pull my card and I'll post those numbrers up....hang on....

woooooooohoooooooo

The chips have the following print

HM628512 ALRR5
9746 010 SL
Japan 62330

I get a hit or three with google when I input the first numbers

http://www.4starelectronics.com/catalog/parts/628/13.aspx

But is that the exact same part?

ok so their is only one type of chip populating the board ?

by the number quoted it is a 5v static ram 512k*8
this is a resonably popular ram chip so we are partly their
needed now are some resonably sharp pic's of the board

and idealy a lone board from someone so we can look at the pinouts used and connectors etc

good work

Dave

nervis thanks.......

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=HM628512+&btnG=Search

949-240-8500 I will call monday, they should have them or be able to get them

http://www.4starelectronics.com/catalog/parts/251/124.aspx

Do you have the websight name to the control inquestion?

Rubicon?


http://www.numeryx.com/cnc/index.htm
is the designer / developer and

http://www.docmachine.com/cnc_rubicon_cnc.htm
is retrofitter or installer and repair...

Both companies are extremely capable and offer unsurpased performance.
IMO, No one today has a PC that will not soon be in need of upgradeing.
Now you can upgrade your CNC machine control and get all the benefits of a PC based control. Ours runs like a bat out of hell. Have you ever seen smooth accurate feed rate motion of F500 inches per minute? Your Fadal CNC can run this fast, only with an upgraded control!

Have fun,

UGH! I'll do it tomorrow. It'll mean I have to go and reset all of my parameters again, I'll lose all of my memory.

But for you guys...OK

OK, 1st pic the upper left chip label is "Lattice 1660-3"

very small chip below it "sd5400CY" Then just under that "g9742aa"

Very small chip last on the left is "6816p-002 -103 9808"

The mem chips I already posted.

As soon as you have those 100meg chips for 30 bucks let me know. I get to be the first customer. :cheers:

Look at that.......Looks like $30 to me. :cheers:

Let me see what I can do from my end.....da21 you got ammo now...lets turn you loose on this one

SD5400CY High-speed DMOS quad FET analog switch array in 16-pin PDIP package. Operational temperature range from -55°C to 150°C. http://www.chipdocs.com/datasheets/datasheet-pdf/Calogic-LLC/SD5000.html

Part Number Description MFG PDF Rank ?
SD5400CY High-Speed DMOS Quad FET Analog Switch Arrays Calogic Corporation Search Stock PDF Datasheet
(37.494 KB)
SD5400CY Quad N-channel lateral DMOS switch zener protected Linear Integrated System Search Stock PDF Datasheet
(503.24 KB)
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/datasheet/pdf/63/634614.html
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/datasheet/pdf/85/851816.html

HM628512ALRR-5SL Access time: 55ns V(cc): -0.5 to +7.0V 1.0W 4M SRAM (512-kword x 8-bit) Hitachi Semiconductor

there is the memory chip and maker
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/search.php?search=628512&sType=part
Found on the bottom

da21 correct me if I'm wrong but their is alot of room for more memory BUT the lattice ship may not read more...is that right?

OK that last chip on the left side, 1st pic. The numbers are so freaking small....

It MAY be 681Gp-002. I can't really tell if thats a 6 or a G.

ok the SD5400 is only a latch it's made by linear systems
Quad-High Speed N-Channel Lateral DMOS FET Switch With Zener Diode Protection(SMT)

so you need to add another three for a full board and with the static ram chip for all the rest , you then can have a full board ,

looks as if to go any further with it having a CPLD on board ( lattice ) that tyhe only way to reverse engineer the board , would be for me to obtain one as some software needs to be written for the lattice , so more work involved there .

however anyone having one and wanting to increase the memory should not have any problems , however look out where you buy them some places are very expensive
so try Digikey , Farnell , RS just in case , depending on where you are in the world

Jeeze I'd love to be able to send you my board but I'm using it.

- u guys with the cnc's charge an arm and a leg to get a few parts turned out.
-
-do u expect the memory people to give you the ram just cause your nice guys ??
-
-whats the diff ??????

- u guys with the cnc's charge an arm and a leg to get a few parts turned out.
-
-do u expect the memory people to give you the ram just cause your nice guys ??
-
-whats the diff ??????

The difference is that there is more than one source for the parts you want turned out. Of course, there are multiple vendor's of CNC machines -- but often you don't recognize that memory is an issue until it is too late.

Ken

yeh i know ,,, if it wasn't for the cost of electricity, labour, equipment, benefits, etc etc .. i would just say make me one please,ahhh make it 2, and end up being a paper pusher...
with no appreciation or sence of acomplishment of what i have created.
i agree ... there are alot of price gougers out there ... just look at doctors and lawers
(well we had to go to school for 5 years,.... to get this licence to steal, die or go to jail thats your choice ) with a streight face.

u guys with the cnc's charge an arm and a leg to get a few parts turned out.
-
-do u expect the memory people to give you the ram just cause your nice guys ??
-
-whats the diff ??????

I am not even going there... We eat out desing time 90% of the time and usually only charge for machine time...you should get your stuff requoted by another vendor if you have a problem with price

Hey smarbaga. It's not 5 years it's twenty five. Now it is average about $100k in loans to get through college and med school. You think docs should give their services away and live in the gutter? Same goes for the JDs. It takes a lot of effort and $ to get those degrees and the compensation reflects that fact. As far as price gouging...well the people that will spend $2k to have their transmission fixed without hesitation are the same ones that will raise holy hell when they have a 25$ co-pay for an ER visit that saves their lives....and are the same ones that spend 2k a year on smokes and beer.

Really your statement just reflects the attitude in general that medical care and life saving treatment is a god given right, and an entitlement. I got bad news for you...it isn't.


Now back to the Fadal memory issues.

Sorry for the OT rant..... :boxing:

Reverse engineering fadal board,s is a lot like Reverse engineering software, software piracy resulting in lost jobs and tax revenues and may not be legal thay might have patent on that hardware.

Good thought, whoever is going to do this, if they expect to sell them, should do their homework first.

if there is any $$$ in third party or clone memory boards, software or the like, you can bet your bottom dollar the Koreans or Taiwanies would have had there fingers in the pie a long time ago...
but then again look at the automotive preformance plug in chips and some of there electronic control modules.
i bypassed an $800 smec in a chrysler for 6 bucks and copied a $450 eprom for $3 just because i couldn't find the info on how the system worked
hec i bought the car, and i think the cars opperating system was included.

yeah they should ;) I wont pay money for one but I will donate or take donations if they might be ready......LOL

Hey smarbaga. It's not 5 years it's twenty five. Now it is average about $100k in loans to get through college and med school. You think docs should give their services away and live in the gutter? Same goes for the JDs. It takes a lot of effort and $ to get those degrees and the compensation reflects that fact. As far as price gouging...well the people that will spend $2k to have their transmission fixed without hesitation are the same ones that will raise holy hell when they have a 25$ co-pay for an ER visit that saves their lives....and are the same ones that spend 2k a year on smokes and beer.

Really your statement just reflects the attitude in general that medical care and life saving treatment is a god given right, and an entitlement. I got bad news for you...it isn't.


Now back to the Fadal memory issues.

Sorry for the OT rant..... :boxing:

LOL... I see you put up with the same customer crap as I do.
A customer will take his car in for service at $75/hour then turns around and *****es about paying $52/hour for my experienced tradesmen.
(group)

Reverse engineering fadal board,s is a lot like Reverse engineering software, software piracy resulting in lost jobs and tax revenues and may not be legal thay might have patent on that hardware.

I cannot imagine there would be any liability with anyone uprading their computers memory. After all this discussion is concerned with retaining the Fadal control. You'll still need to go to Fadal for any major repairs, so they'd be happy to keep a customer... Also, nobody is going make any money at this kind of upgrade, and no jobs will be at risk...

I'd be surprised if you could sell a dozen of these memory boards (if you guys were successful).

Good luck,

well so far we have a board picture and part numbers....so where to buy????

Just in.....SAVE YOUR DOUGH!!!!


According to the techies if you have a REV 4 memory board with 28K you can up it to 128K by just adding chips, if you have a REV 5 board you can go to 5 meg by just adding chips....hope this saves you guys money! If you break those rules your eeprom wont read the extra memory..


I am not sure if I should have posted that info but it sure is damn helpfull.....pass it on please!!!!

Chips can be bought using the links in this thread!!

I'm not sure if they sell memory, but I just had a resolver crap out on a Fadal 6030 x axis Glentech Servo Motor, which Mid Atlantic CNC had just replaced for me 4 months ago for $399.75, plus their fees for labor and travel.
I just ordered a new one from CNC Pros who sell Fadal parts on line for cheap. It was only $265. plus a core charge.
They may have memory also.
Fadal Parts Online (http://FadalCNC.com)

http://www.datasheet4u.com


http://de.datasheet4u.com

btt

So, did anyone actually get this done and working? What was the process? Who did it for you?

My machine is a '91 so this may not even apply to me. How can I figure that out?

Thanks,
Don

I have a fadal 4525 with the new fanuc 18i control. its an awsome combo.