I noticed this post on the Tormach forum-

Browsing through Importgenius.com, you can see that even though their volume is only about 1/2 of what it was a few years back, they are doing 10X the business Smithy and Syil are doing in the CNC mills . Speaking of Smithy, I noticed an unusual note on their import bills of lading. Their 1324 and 1340 machines are classified as " Used".

Does Smithy offer used machines? Nothing on their website about it.

I noticed this post on the Tormach forum-

Browsing through Importgenius.com, you can see that even though their volume is only about 1/2 of what it was a few years back, they are doing 10X the business Smithy and Syil are doing in the CNC mills . Speaking of Smithy, I noticed an unusual note on their import bills of lading. Their 1324 and 1340 machines are classified as " Used".

Does Smithy offer used machines? Nothing on their website about it.

I see they are selling the 13 40 machine used on E-Bay. I can't figure out where they would buy used machines in China though.

Maybe they do really really extensive testing at the factory. ;)

I see they are selling the 13 40 machine used on E-Bay. I can't figure out where they would buy used machines in China though.

Can you provide a link to the used machines. I might be interested.

Flathead

Can you provide a link to the used machines. I might be interested.

Flathead

3 days left- no bids yet, so you might be able to make a deal-
Good Luck


http://cgi.ebay.com/Smithy-Granite-1340R-Lathe-Mill-Drill-with-Stand_W0QQitemZ350251482643QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518c9d7e13&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Maybe they do really really extensive testing at the factory. ;)

Yeah- I could see a couple of machines used for testing, but according to Importgenius.com there were 244 machines in 3 different orders all classified as " used"- that's sort of like striking matches to see if they work.

3 days left- no bids yet, so you might be able to make a deal-
Good Luck


http://cgi.ebay.com/Smithy-Granite-1340R-Lathe-Mill-Drill-with-Stand_W0QQitemZ350251482643QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518c9d7e13&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

This is not a used machine.
If you read the description it would have been obvious that this is a scratch & dent sale, not a used machine, even though it is listed as such.

From the ad:
"It is warehouse cleaning time again! We gearing up and cleaning up for the upcoming holiday season. This machine was set aside this summer to repair some sheet metal damage. The pulley box housing was replaced along with the switch. The machine still does has some cosmetic scratches. (Please call us at 1-800-476-4849 if you would like more details.) This machine comes with our 30 Day in shop trial and our two year warranty, plus the Smithy Quick Start Tool Pack, valued at $541.76. See Listing Below).

It also includes a a stand valued at $299
Please note: Actual machine is not pictured. Picture shown is a representation of GN-1340R model."

I would think that a only a business would pay the high monthly importgenius fee to be able to check on the competition.

Since three out of four of you guys posting have admitted to owning a shoptask/shopmaster 3 in 1, and pretty much control the forum over there, what is the point of this thread.

More Smithy Bashing?

Flathead

This is not a used machine.

It is listed as used on the e-bay site. All the better for you, as you can get it cheaper than new.


what is the point of this thread More Smithy Bashing?
What bashing? The guy just asked if they sell used machines. Clearly according to the documents they file with US Customs, those machines were classified as used.

Flathead

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Oh, I almost forgot,

Here's the Tormach post and the guy that browses importgenius.

That's absolutely classic! The same guys who jumped in and started re-designing Scotts ATC last year are now going at the Tormach version. The Tormach guys are pretty smart, and I doubt that any of this talk will deter them from their plan. They have done an impressive job in recognizing a niche market and cornering it. Browsing through Importgenius.com, you can see that even though their volume is only about 1/2 of what it was a few years back, they are doing 10X the business Smithy and Syil are doing in the CNC mills . Speaking of Smithy, I noticed an unusual note on their import bills of lading. Their 1324 and 1340 machines are classified as " Used".

Flathead

I don't know about the Customs stuff, but I do know that Ebay doesn't offer a scratch and dent category for condition. I think it's only new or used and maybe for parts only.

I don't know about the Customs stuff, but I do know that Ebay doesn't offer a scratch and dent category for condition. I think it's only new or used and maybe for parts only.

Back in the 90's when I was shopping for my first machine, Smithy had a truck that would set up in motel parking lots and sell " scratch and dent" machines. From what I could gather from the salesman, he circulated around and picked up machines that customers wanted to return. Then they would schedule a motel scratch and dent sale to unload them rather than hauling all the way back to Smithy. There were others like that as well- Skip Homeir Tools, Carolina Tools as well as a bunch called Starving Artists that sold those velvet Elvis paintings. I think the internet, E-Bay, Craiglist etc. pretty much killed off the travelling circuses.

Hey, another shoptask/shopmaster rep joins the thread.

Back in the 90's when I was shopping for my first machine, Smithy had a truck that would set up in motel parking lots and sell " scratch and dent" machines. From what I could gather from the salesman, he circulated around and picked up machines that customers wanted to return. Then they would schedule a motel scratch and dent sale to unload them rather than hauling all the way back to Smithy. There were others like that as well- Skip Homeir Tools, Carolina Tools as well as a bunch called Starving Artists that sold those velvet Elvis paintings. I think the internet, E-Bay, Craiglist etc. pretty much killed off the travelling circuses.

Sounds like a fairy tale to me.

They might have sold scratch and dents or returned machines or trade ins at a parking lot sale.

There is no way You or any other 3 in 1 marketeer is going to offer free return shipping or use a company truck and driver to criss cross the country picking up customer returns.

Reading Smithy's policy I get customer pays return shipping.
What is your policy.

Flathead

Back in the 90's when I was shopping for my first machine, Smithy had a truck that would set up in motel parking lots and sell " scratch and dent" machines. From what I could gather from the salesman, he circulated around and picked up machines that customers wanted to return. Then they would schedule a motel scratch and dent sale to unload them rather than hauling all the way back to Smithy. There were others like that as well- Skip Homeir Tools, Carolina Tools as well as a bunch called Starving Artists that sold those velvet Elvis paintings. I think the internet, E-Bay, Craiglist etc. pretty much killed off the travelling circuses.

I remember them- Smithy and Homer would send out a flyer a few weeks before they set up. Carolina tools sold mostly to auto shops from the back of a pickup truck. Their sales pitch was that they had to unload the tools at a super cheap price before returning to the headquarters. They were all painted green- mostly engine hoists and compressors.