View Full Version : K2CNC Router Review (first Look)
CNCadmin 02-23-2005, 11:25 AM Well I just my new 25" x 14" I un-packed the box and WOW! Everything was bubble wraped and well protected. Final write-up will be here- http://www.cnczone.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/10/sort/7/cat/10/page/1
Travel: X-25" Y-14" Z-3"
Footprint (overall size not including motors): 31" x 16" x 16"
Table top size: 31" x 15.5"
Structure is CNC machined 6061 aluminum and extrusions
Harden precision shafts X - 20mm Y - 16mm Z - 12mm
4 linear ball bearings on each axes
Anti-Backlash Acetal Nuts on all axis
Direct drive coupling /w 2000 full steps/in. (on 1.8 degree stepper)
Nema 23 size motor mounts on all axes
Mounting adapter for RotoZip / Ryobi spiral saw
K2CNC is giving 5% off to all CNCzone members making this machine $1230.25
CNCadmin 02-23-2005, 12:17 PM I plan on using the HobbyCNC 200 in/oz stepper motors and their board for it. This machine will prove to be a great test bed for hardware and software I come across. This is one very high quality machine, It took me 5min to screw the sides to the base and the sides to the gantry. I looks GREAT, I will post more pictures when I get home tonight.
tauscnc 02-23-2005, 12:45 PM OOOO man Paul!!! Why did you have to post those pics!!! :)
It looks awesome! I am still thinking of making one or just buying one from them too (k2cnc.com). I am now thinking of getting the KS-2525, it's just money right :)
As I add up the prices of parts I get close to $700-$1000 and that is without any cutting. So I am still unsure. It would really be a lot of fun making one!!! OR, one could make another with the machine itself!
I like the linear bearings on the one you got vs. the roller bearings on the 2525 machine. I am unsure which is better. Keeping stuff out of the bearings should be easier on the 2525 but the quality of the linear bearings seems better (is this right way of thinking?) Main reason for the larger one would be the fully supported rails. I was wondering about deflection on the x axis on the 2514 size.
PLEASE PLEASE do a great review as I can't wait to read it!!!!
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
CNCadmin 02-23-2005, 12:51 PM It's well worth the money, if your looking for a machine tomorrow this is them one to get. I will try to measure the defection of the gantry, being that the rods are not un-supported, but over 24" I doubt their will be any deflection for normal plunging into wood. I dare say that this machine is probably ridge enough to machine alum. The machine I got did not come with a motor mount for the router, but I will make one. I plan on using a Porta Cable trim router. I might even strap a laser to it :)
tauscnc 02-23-2005, 02:01 PM Laser! Drrrrooooooollllll!!!
I am going to make a mount for my DIY vinly cutting blade holder http://cuttingedgecnc.com/vinyl.htm so I can cut stickers and such. It will be "free floating" with the proper amount of weight to cut the sticker. This way if there is a little uneven-ness in the table it should not matter.
What type of table top are you planning to use? Thanks!
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
CNCadmin 02-23-2005, 02:06 PM I may make a t-slot table top of some-kind. Or just lay down a piece of MDF. BTW the machine has install nuts so you bolt down your top. Here is the thread on my laser- http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7427
tauscnc 02-23-2005, 02:27 PM I have not had a chance to call them yet but does the machine come with couplers for the stepper motors?
thankt
taus
CNCadmin 02-23-2005, 02:29 PM Yes it does and you can pick the mounting plate for 23 or 34 frame motors.
Kammo1 02-23-2005, 05:39 PM Hi CNCA, I have enquired about this machine and dealt witha guy called Kevin Libbon and I have asked what is the actual cutting area ie what will this machine actually cut from left to right Y axis and the X axis and have not had a responese from him yet maybe you could confirm this for me. I live here in the UK and I would not want to order this if I do without knowing 100% what it will cut. Kammo1
carlnpa 02-23-2005, 06:52 PM CNCadmin - I have been talking to Kevin for a couple weeks now about a production opportunity I have. I built a homebrew machine, can't hold tolerance required (0.010 stacked) and am runing out of time. Your quick review and the 5% discount encouraged me to send a PO to Kevin this evening for the 3925 package (servos) with upgrade z, home and limit
switches. I'll be happy to review the machine when I receive it. Yours looks outstanding.
Aksess 02-23-2005, 09:39 PM Good choice in the 39x25 that is the one i bought. I have had my machine since around july last year and have had a ball with it.
tauscnc 02-23-2005, 11:05 PM Hey guys,
I run my programs in mm. Now if I understand this machine's ballscrews are in inch. 2000 steps on a 1.8 degree stepper equal 1" movement. Right now 400 steps equal 1 mm for me using the Camtronics board with CNCPro.
If I got this machine and fixed the steps for mm, then that would be 78.74 steps for 1 mm.
Wouldn't my resolution on cutting go way down? Almost by 5 times?
Am I thinking of this right?
thanks
taus
carlnpa 02-24-2005, 05:57 AM Aksess - any advice or reflections on the machine? Decent tolerance? This will be my first experience with servos, did you go with the package?
Aksess 02-24-2005, 04:39 PM As far as the machine all together it has superb workmanship and design. Tolerances? How is .002 that is the acuracy I get when carving pictures. around .005 on soft metal. I went with the servo package, router mount, rotozip mount, plasma table and hand torch mount, added the ruted 510A board for plasma cutting. WHEW a mouth full. I have not tryed the plasma yet. :wee:
carlnpa 02-24-2005, 07:46 PM Thank you for the input. The project I am working on is a chicken and egg kind of deal. My customer needs to see proof of the final parts before placing a po with me, so I am out there in speculative mode making parts before I have the blanket PO. Kevin and Ron were looking at accuracy for the type of operations I need to do. They posted some new pictures on the site today showing 0.001 tolerance in aluminum at 0.05 pass/cut to 0.20 depth on operations that my project requires. I am going to try a Hitachi variable speed spindle as the noise level is lower than Porter Cable. To date I have found K2 to be very willing to work with me to build a machine suitable for my needs. It really is good to hear you have had a positive experience with your machine. Any further comments on either the machine or your choice of software would be greatly appreciated.
Aksess 02-24-2005, 07:56 PM I will extend this offer for those close to me. I am in south east Tennessee and will be off work for the next 3-4 weeks. If anyone wants to you are more than welcome to stop by my humble shop and try this machine for yourself before purchasing one.
anoel 02-24-2005, 10:13 PM I am in south east Tennessee
Where about? I grew up in East Tennessee (Kingsport to exact)
Aksess 02-25-2005, 05:19 AM In a little town called Niota Between Knoxville and Chattanooga
tauscnc 02-25-2005, 01:32 PM HEy guys,
Can someone give me some opinions on the linear bearings vs. the roller bearings on the larger machine (KS-2525). I am really getting close to ordering but want some outside opinions.
The 2514 (cutting area 25x14") has unsupported shafts but uses linear bearings. I think they are also precision ground shafts.
The 2525 (cutting area 25x25") has fully support shafts but uses roller bearings mounted 90 degrees apart. The shaft are not, from what I understand, percison ground, they are however stainless steel.
I am going to be cutting mostly anything under the sun from carbon fiber, polycarbonate, plastic, wood, aluminum. I do not cut steel or other hard metals.
Any thoughts? Mess, cleanup, upkeep , etc.
thanks
taus
CNCadmin 02-25-2005, 05:19 PM The gantry (y axis) has some defection, because of the un-supported shafts, I would say in the neighborhood of +/- .030+ do to the rod only being 1/2", I don't think that would pose a problem for light cuts, but under load I would think it would deflect. The X axis has a racking of +/- .010. Mind you that much hand force was applied to get that. It will be a few weeks before I get the machine runnin, but these are my findings so far.
Nonoriginal 03-02-2005, 10:19 AM I'm very interested in the 39 x 25 and the 25 x 25 k2 machine.
Anybody else have experience with these in more detail?
What type of set-up are you guys running? motors/drivers/etc.
What have you cut? Pictures? I know Kevin did test cut with aluminum on the 25th or something and it turned out pretty good. + or - .001 is actually really good. BUT that was done on a $4k+ rig.
They (machines) seem a bit pricey when you put them next to an Enco mill/drill combination. For the money, I think these machines should cut whatever you throw at it sans steel, but I don't think thats the case.
I'm not trying to be a flame thrower or anything, I'm looking for discussion. Please Help assuage my thoughts of buying a $2800 rig, only to find out I should have bought an Enco for half of that and made a router under what I would have paid total on the K2 39 x 25.
carlnpa 03-02-2005, 11:57 AM It comes down to the time/money equation. Do you intend to use this machine to make commercial and hopefully profitable parts? Total up the price of the individual parts, ie ballscrews, linear bearings, motors, couplers and control package. Compare features and benefits to the cost of the desktop Techno-Isels at 12k$ for comparable sized machine. Which Enco model are you looking at? Will you do the conversion yourself or buy premanufactured components? I built a router recently, it works great, but won't hold the tolerances I need and is nowhere near as fast as I need it to be. Compared to other commercial machines the K2 product is aggressively priced.
tauscnc 03-03-2005, 08:29 AM I might be able to give my 2 cents as I have been going down the same path. Build or buy? I have been searching for about 2 weeks now, parts and price. You can find a lot of things on ebay for good prices....if you win the aution and don't mind waiting days. Some do, some don't. Me, I don't.
NOW if you want, you can wait about 3-4 weeks as I should be getting my
KS-2525 and you can bet there will be a full reveiw here and my site.
The number 1 question I would ask yourself is: how much time do you have before you need/want to cut parts. If time is not an issue then you can make the machine for cheaper...that is PARTS only. Not labor included. I waited 4 days on one aution on ebay (which I rather just pay and move on) and lost it anyway. So time is a huge consideration.
The next question I asked myself was: Can I build the machine the way I want to. Answer, probably not. Sure I can make one in MDF and such but I did not want to spend the money to make one to turn around and make another the way I wanted. By that time it was easily as much as buying the K2 (labor not included). I don't have the machines to cut large aluminum, welding skills (nor welding tools) to make a steel frame, etc.
Lastly, I looked at other machines for comparison and the K2 are priced rather well. The MaxNC router goes for around $6,000 (no shipping) http://www.maxnc.com/page14.html and looks good. It does come with most things. The Microkinetics wood router is $7,000 (no shipping) http://www.microkinetics.com/woodrouter.html and again it does come with most things. Why you would buy that over the Maxnc for more blows my mind. There is also the Zoltar router but I can't find a price on it.
Realistically, if you add up the parts (some new, some on ebay) for a
KT-2525, machine, your gonna be around $1,000 (no shipping cost again). If you bought new parts, your gonna be WAY more then the price of the machine. Now you still have to make the machine, cut the parts, keep it square, etc.
I guess is paying an extra $500.00 for a prebuilt machine that is squared up (again this machine does not have over cut holes for the rails with adjustment points...its "dead on") worth the amount of time it would take you to make one? I don't know but that is another question to ask.
Ok, I am done :) Hope any of that rambling helped
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
CNCadmin 03-03-2005, 08:36 AM Their machines are definitely worth the money if you do not have the time to build one yourself. Once I get my other machine done I will get the router set-up and cutting. I have to get some stepper motors and a trim router. So their is not much I can add about the machine, until I actually run it.
tauscnc 03-03-2005, 04:55 PM I just called K2 and they might have the 2525 done sooner and I might be getting it closer to 2-3 weeks. YEEEEAHHAAAA! I also got my Gecko 201's today and these things are tiny! I loved that they sent me a little sand filled gecko stuffed animal...now that's a company. I will add it to my little girl's collection.
I also ordered 2 extra cross braces that are adjustable for the machine. I can't wait to get it!
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
CNCadmin 03-03-2005, 05:08 PM Very cool! You're gonna love it, it really is a great machine.
Nonoriginal 03-03-2005, 08:18 PM Taus / Carl,
Your points... Taken! (Thank you, and be long winded if you like! :) ) I see how it could become very costly in many aspects (...that I hadn't really thought about) to build one yourself. Especially if you found that you have + .010 TIR down the rails and you need to re-work the entire piece or something. You can't call tech support or ask for a refund on the parts you bought.
I have been going back...and... forth and back... and forth for a two weeks now. My build would cost around $800 in parts and materials (no motors/drives). My time is most definitely worth something, So I started drawing in Gibbs today at lunch. I programmed one side of my gantry and it took me 1.5 hours.
Figure the programming time would be around 50 hours. (you can only cut once... so measure twice while programming) Machining time would be all over the place based on my penchant for tight tolerance's and availability of our CNC machines at work. I'm looking anywhere from 75 hours to 125 hours for a build I could live with. Mind you those hours will be spread over months not weeks or days... Our shop is REALLY busy.
If I bill my time at $9 an hour, way low for a CNC programmer/operator... I'm looking at $1350.
$2150 in total. Still need motors too!
Back to the K2 being the right choice!
Nonoriginal 03-05-2005, 08:07 PM Anyone know the dimensions of the screws that K2 uses?
TPI and Dia.
Thanks,
Michael
tauscnc 03-06-2005, 09:18 AM Hey Michael,
Good workout on prices and time in your last letter. I pretty much did the same and came out to "this project might be over my head" conclusion. Again, it would be different if you wanted to make a machine in wood or for "fun use" but it sounds like your wanting a pretty sturdy one.
As for the TPI and dia, honestly call the guys there and they will tell you all of the info. I have called them at least 8 times with question, etc.
Again, hopfully my KT-2525 will be shipping at the end of this week so maybe in 2 weeks!
O yeah, I also found this site for cnc routers...check out there prices http://www.debece.net/
taus
CNCRob 03-11-2005, 05:59 PM I am considering buying the KT-2514 myself, I noticed it had 3" of z travel. I was wondering if you use a 3/4 plywood top and the bit stuck out of the router say 1 1/4 would the max thickness of the piece you can cut be less than 1"? or how does that work. Thanks- Robbie
CNCadmin 03-12-2005, 06:02 PM I would answer that BUT I need to get a router and a mount for it. I have 3 200 in/oz stepper motors coming from hobbycnc, so maybe in a few week I'll have it up and running with video.
tauscnc 03-13-2005, 10:55 AM Hey CNCRob,
While I don't have my KT-2525 yet, looking at the 2514 I notice (like the 2525) there are different holes to mount the mount that mounts the router. Man say that fast. :p On the 2514 you have 4 different hights for the mount...taking this into account I would assume that there is still 3" of travel but you could mount the router higher to make up for the tabletop and bit.
will let you know hopefully soon!
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
CNCRob 03-13-2005, 11:27 AM Thanks tauscnc,
I never even noticed the different mounting holes before, But I bet your right.
tauscnc 04-04-2005, 05:27 PM WHOOOO HOOOOO, I should be getting mine tomorrow!!!! Yipppie!
taus
CNCRob 04-04-2005, 07:10 PM I ordered the KG-3925 about two weeks ago and it's suppose to ship anyday now. Im starting to get excited also.
Aksess 04-04-2005, 08:25 PM Waiting is the hardest part. If you need any help just ask I have had my machine for about 8 mo now only thing I recomend is on the lead screws. Take the nuts off and put a dab of locktight on it if you plan on doing any real heavy machining
JavaDog 04-08-2005, 04:21 PM I really like the look/design of these machines. So, I decided to base my homebuilt off of what I see on their site, with some modifications. :cheers:
Really though, K2 seems to be offering a nice machine at a pretty damn fair price, IMHO. Pluse, I love the videos on their site. We need more videos. CNC machines are just addictive to watch!!
tauscnc 04-08-2005, 09:48 PM If you want more vides check out:
http://www.cncmotion.com/videos.htm
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/1218/sony_06.wmv
http://www.urcautomation.com/robot_movies.htm
http://www.mouldcam.com/mouldcam_video_01_hi.htm
http://www.criterionmachinery.com/videolist/videolist.htm#Rotary%20Draw%20Benders
That sould keep ya busy for a while :)
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
JavaDog 04-09-2005, 08:44 AM Nice!! Downloaded all of those and I'll be checking them out. Thanks! :cheers:
Chamm128 04-09-2005, 10:02 AM OK, I splurged and purchased the big one, the KG5050. It is partially setup and has drawn some text just because we wanted to try it out, you know how it is with a new toy. I don't have the vacuum table mounted into it yet, that is still in the works. Hope to have more pics soon. Also Mach2 seems to be a super program. I downloaded the demo and will probably purchase it this comming week. Need to get a few more things like the dust collector. Going to price them today and hopefully pick one up. Anyway, gotta go.
tauscnc 04-09-2005, 10:37 PM That thing looks awesome!! Man I can't wait to get mine. I did get the
KT-2525 but it had some major problems and is going back today :(. K2 has been really good about returning it and I am going to get the KG-3925 insteadm :). I can't wait!
Hopefully in 1.5 to 2 weeks.
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
Halfnutz 04-10-2005, 01:22 AM Ive been looking for a pic of a machine just like these to copy for a while. Now its time to get building. I geusse I could buy one, but honestly I find using these things less enjoyable than building them (maybe because I dont know how to do anything yet). I have my rails and lead screws, its time to get busy cutting metal! I think turning metal on the lathe is one of my most enjoyable activities. I cut my first piece of aluminum with the mini mill I converted today, it sorks fine, but I had to use a 3/16" flat bottom end mill. I had an 1/8" but the mini snapped it off on the first cut. I had to re-calibrate the depth and finish with the 3/16". Ive been looking for tiny ball ends, but they seem expensive. I geusse I should just get a from enco.set
Chamm128 04-10-2005, 04:23 AM I added the legs myself, but they are the same stuff, 80/20. I had to wait quite a while for this one, but it was worth it. A friend is going to build a smaller version after seeing this one, should save some cash that way. I'll post more pics as I go with the vac table and all.
tauscnc 04-10-2005, 10:18 AM Hey Halfnutz,
Get building man! I can't wait to see what you come up with. Building it yourself will be really enjoyable! Then watching it cut will be awesome.
Hey Chamm128,
I was wondering about the legs. The machine really looks good. What do you plan on making or cutting with it? I am intersted in seeing your vaccume table, etc. I am afraid the porter cable router is going to be VERY loud when cutting. Will have to see about an enclosure.
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
Chamm128 04-10-2005, 03:13 PM Initially I will be cutting balsa airplane kits with it, and some carbon fiber. The only bad thing about the carbon fiber is it tears up tooling fast and you don't want to inhale the dust and fibers. I'll be using a rotozip for the balsa and carbon, it's not too loud. But if I cut any alluminum i'll have to use the Proter Cable or Makita router. I wonder if the Makita is any quieter. I like it better than the Porter, I know how loud it is. The vac table should be interesting, not quite sure what it will be made of though. Here's a pic of the balsa ribs i've cut.
tauscnc 04-10-2005, 06:04 PM Awesome!! The cuts look so clean! That looks great. How did you hold these down while cutting? Man, I can't wait for my KG-3925. Come on K2 :)
I really want to make this airplane for fun...
http://plans.rcmodell.hu/xp55b.jpg
Here is the site with plans: http://plans.rcmodell.hu/index.html
Then, I want to cut side frames for my raptor out of carbon fiber! I will use a fishtail router bit for that. O man.
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
Chamm128 04-10-2005, 06:25 PM Here's a raptor link for ya. It's a friend of mine that makes raptor upgrades at home in his spare time. If you are a member of RunRyder.com his screen name is CFORCHT, i'm CHAMM. Check out our galleries there for pics. Are you a member there?
http://www.cncrc.websiteallies.com/
I used a vacuum table to hold the balsa down, just a regular shop vac for the suction power with a wood box with a BUNCH of holes drilled into it with the mill and then faced off the top to make it smooth. Talk about not being able to move that balsa.
Also, I think I have seen someone build that particular plane. That would be a cool kit to cut though. Did I forget anything???
tauscnc 04-10-2005, 06:47 PM I have seen that site before and his aluminum tail case looks great.
I also made a vacuum table many years ago using the premade metal grids from the hardware store. It used a Kenmore house vac. It was for vacuum forming parts. It worked pretty well but I just never got the plastic heated evenly. Mom back then was a little hesitant of me putting a large sheet of plastic in her new oven hehehe.
Keep me updated on your vacuum table.
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
Halfnutz 04-11-2005, 10:54 PM Wow, model airplanes, now I have something to do with all this hardware and software. Some guy I used to know was crazy into model jet planes. He made his own Jet Engines for criminees sake. I geusse its something to do. Is thier any money to be made with a mill and a router in this field?
tauscnc 04-18-2005, 04:11 PM Alright,
My machine is spose to ship tomorrow and should have been tested out as discussed. I hope this one is not a huge let down like the 2525 I got.
I am really excited to get it but "will see."
As promised I will have a full review of its workings with my "long"
experience with K2, etc.
taus
www.cuttingedgecnc.com
carlnpa 04-18-2005, 04:31 PM I received my 3925 a couple weeks ago. I was going to post alot but have just been hanging back to see others experiences. I look forward to your review.
CNCRob 04-18-2005, 05:07 PM I just called and my machine is suppose to ship tomorrow also.
tauscnc 04-18-2005, 07:51 PM hey Carlnpa,
Somehow your reply does not sit well in my stomach as you might have some issues with it. Ummmmm..... I know if I have any issues with it that cannot be easily resolved it will go back. The workmanship of the 2525 was beyond terrible. May be I just got a bad one.
You can bet I will have a full detail review with pics once I get it. I must admit, I am really excited :)
Good News CNCRob!
Later,
tauseef
carlnpa 04-18-2005, 08:23 PM Taus (and Rob), I don't want to bias any discussion about the 3925 until others have independent opinions. This may be an offline discussion, phone or email. I still have, and expect to keep, the machine.
carlnpa 04-19-2005, 08:35 AM Are there any realistic alternatives in the 4-5k range?
tauscnc 04-19-2005, 12:36 PM Hey carlnpa,
That is a good point. I have found even the smaller cnc routers are much more expensive then the K2 and when I have priced everything out it was way over. Of course one can find all of this on ebay but I tried that for a few weeks and gave up. That is how I decided to buy the K2 machine. What type of things are you noticing on yours that might be an issue?
What are you cutting?
later
taus
cbass 04-19-2005, 05:23 PM hey Carlnpa,
Somehow your reply does not sit well in my stomach as you might have some issues with it. Ummmmm..... I know if I have any issues with it that cannot be easily resolved it will go back. The workmanship of the 2525 was beyond terrible. May be I just got a bad one.
You can bet I will have a full detail review with pics once I get it. I must admit, I am really excited :)
Good News CNCRob!
Later,
tauseef
This doesn't sit well with me either. I'm waiting for my 3925 too. It should ship sometime after the 20th because I've ordered preloaded ball screws on all axis (they are back-ordered from the supplier)...
Come on, carlnpa! Tell us what's wrong. You may be able to save some of us time and money. If you don't feel comfortable in public, I'll PM you.
Thanks,
cbass
tauscnc 04-19-2005, 05:55 PM I see no reason for a PM conversation here. If you have problems with your machine the least you could do is tell us what is up. That way we can all figure out how to get it fixed and to make sure K2 gets it fixed. So far I have not gotten a tracking number from them today but the day is not over. As I said before, will see.
Sound likes more people having trouble with these then first might of been expected.
ummmmmm
taus
CNCRob 04-19-2005, 06:43 PM I see no reason for a PM conversation here. If you have problems with your machine the least you could do is tell us what is up. That way we can all figure out how to get it fixed and to make sure K2 gets it fixed. So far I have not gotten a tracking number from them today but the day is not over. As I said before, will see.
Sound likes more people having trouble with these then first might of been expected.
ummmmmm
taus
I agree tauscnc....I have yet to receive my tracking number also.
carlnpa 04-19-2005, 07:20 PM I would be happy to talk or pm me.
I am cutting (soon/trials) production precision plastic sheet parts
Really good things about the machine.
The price is very good.
The gantry is quite rigid/stiff/solid.
The electronics work well and accurately.
Cbass the preloaded ballscrews are the way to go.
These are good machine platforms that may require a bit of tweaking to suit your individual needs.
Frankly the QA is not so great, so we all may have different experiences.
I added a piece of 24x48 Mic 6 0.500 plate as a top and to reduce deflection cost $235 very good price on this from Shapiro Metal - Ben 18008331259. The center of the frame deflects 17-2x/1000 without 3 or 4/1000 with.
I have on order from Nook one preload ballscrew that I intend to retrofit. My y axis has 7/1000 backlash currently, outside my acceptable limits. The y axis ballscrew was cut 37/1000 too long so I had to make a special washer to take up the play.
I wish Kevin had been able to help me resolve these and some other issues. I still wait on simple parts. I am an engineer by schooling and training and rebuild complex electrohydraulic proportional valves as part of my business.
tauscnc 04-19-2005, 11:24 PM K2 and Kevin disappoint me Again
Well, all I can say is “F” for customer service, follow up and follow thru tonight. I spoke with Kevin today and he told me he was finding a box to get my machine out and I specifically asked that my tracking number be sent. Now I don’t know if it has been shipped, if they just forgot to email me, or are just pulling my leg. He did forget to email me when my KT-2525 went out so maybe for some reason he forgot again.
I can surely say K2 can learn A LOT about support and workmanship from Sherline. Not impressed. :(
taus
tauscnc 04-20-2005, 12:51 AM Alright,
I wrote to K2 and got a reply around 12:00 am my time. Seems Ron is working at getting things right at K2, buring the midnight oil. He sent me the tracking numbers. The 2 times I have dealt with him I have gotten prompt service and replies. I think I will be dealing with him from now on.
CNCRob did you get your tracking numbers? If not write to Ron at K2.
Excited again...man I feel bipolar :)
taus
CNCRob 04-20-2005, 02:53 PM I wrote Ron this morning before I had to go into work. He said my machine was shipped out yesterday but he still needs to email me the tracking numbers.
CNCRob 04-20-2005, 06:50 PM I just recieved my tracking number from Ron. My cnc machine should be here on Tuesday.
Paul in OK 04-23-2005, 09:49 AM I have become a little discouraged with reading this thread about buying a k2 machine. I realize this thread started some time ago. How have things come along with your purchases?
tauscnc 04-23-2005, 01:37 PM Hey Paul,
I, and I am sure CNCRob will be able to give you 100% feedback on tuesday and the following days. Mine should arrive then as well as his. My intentions with this thread and my site is to give honest feedback and my experiences. Now if this new machine is made like the last one then I know they have issues.
I can say that Ron at K2 has been very helpful (not that Kevin wasn't) and has written me again making sure that if I have any questions/problems to let him know.
I am very excited in getting the machine!
Will let you know soon.
taus
CNCadmin 04-23-2005, 09:47 PM I'm waiting on more time to get my motors attached, my experience was very good and they made delivery when they said they would. The quaility of the machine that I got was very good. Could you have adjusted that out?
CNCadmin 04-23-2005, 09:52 PM tauscnc
I noticed on your site that the bearings did not touch the shafting? Did you level the machine off? I noticed on my bearing linear design that it the machine was not perfectly level not all the bearing would touch.
tauscnc 04-23-2005, 10:27 PM Hey CNCadmin,
Good to hear from ya...get that machine running will ya :)
I did all I could to try and get all of the bearings to touch. The bearing carriage was tightened with the machine on its side and no Y axis mount. I also undid the leadcrew. There was no stress on it. I used clamps and then tightened the screws. No good. The bearings are mis-drilled and do not touch. On the Y axis that was not a problem as they are only at the top and bottom. The Z axis seemed fine too using linear bearings.
The parts missing/wrong parts sent I could handle but the workmanship of a very important component is what made me return it.
I am keeping my fingers crossed the KG-3925 will be "flawless."
taus
Chamm128 04-23-2005, 10:40 PM Here's the first part my router has cut, and carbon fiber none the less.
Its part of a custom made set of stacked frames for a Thunder Tiger Raptor 50 helicopter a friend of mine designed.
CNCadmin 04-23-2005, 10:51 PM Sweet, I have that heli myself, wink wink.
tauscnc 04-24-2005, 09:20 AM O MANNNNNN!!!!!! That looks great!!! WOW
I can't wait to get mine on tuesday! It's coming to work and I will have to sneak a peek at it hehehe.
Great job. Hey I have a raptor too...hehheeee, any chance your friend wants to share the file with me (no commercial use of course)!
How did you hold the piece down?
taus
Chamm128 04-24-2005, 12:53 PM I held it down with a vacuum table, but had a small problem so we had to clamp it down with a few screws and washers to cut the outline. Be prepared to do a lot of setup on your router also, K2 doesn't send any kind of documentation at all with their stuff. I also think the Z axis was poorly designed also, we had to mod it. The 5 inch of z travel wasn't even usable the way they had it setup. it would only clear less than 2 inches if I recall correctly. What router are you getting?
As far as the frames go, he really doesn't plan on making them for sale as of yet, but htings may change. He makes them in alluminum now, but the carbon one was a test for another project i have. Thanks, Chuck.
tauscnc 04-24-2005, 02:24 PM Hey Chamm128,
I got the 3925 with the upgraded Z and it is spose to have the 5 inch tavel. I will have to see when I get it but I am hoping (expecting!) for almost a trouble-free machine. I am concerned hearing all of the "little" problems you mention. I will do a full review of my machine/experience when I get it. I have waited patiently 8 weeks and have spent a good chuck of money. I have my fingers crossed :)
I sent K2 a personal note when I returned the very poorly made KT-2525 strongly suggesting some documenation to be sent with their machines, part list to be up, and other suggestions. Honest feedback.
We will know on tuesday...you can bet that :)
taus
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Chamm128 04-24-2005, 03:58 PM Here's some pics.
tauscnc 04-24-2005, 04:11 PM Great job there Chamm128!
Now I can see how big the machine really is compared to the raptor part. Man it's huge. I see how you connected the hoses for the table and like the idea of valves to cut off suction to parts of the table.
I will have to see about making something like that.
thanks for the pics
taus
Chamm128 04-24-2005, 04:51 PM Makes it easier so you dont have to block off all the other holes that your not using.
tauscnc 04-24-2005, 05:46 PM How did you go about controlling the carbon dust?
I assume you used a fishtail router bit?
later
taus
Chamm128 04-24-2005, 06:21 PM Nope, 1/8 endmill.
tauscnc 04-26-2005, 01:15 PM Guys,
I started a new thread on my KG-3925 that I just got...
http://cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10157
CNCRob you get yours?
taus
cforcht 05-02-2005, 10:32 PM Chamm thats a really big router you have there. and it did such a nice job on those ratptor 50 frames. cool
Chamm128 05-02-2005, 10:56 PM New part. Hasn't been completely debured yet.
PaulH 05-03-2005, 05:28 AM Hey cforcht, welcome to cnczone! I'm "PaulH-MA" from RR.
tauscnc 05-03-2005, 05:31 PM Hey Chamm128,
Awesome work man! The frame set looks great. I can't wait to see it all put together. Are you going to maching out the bearing blocks etc....using the router or some other machine? Did you use the 1/8" endmill again or some fishtail router?
taus
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