A few questions were asked of me about my Chinese spindle, I purchased from Love happy shopping on ebay. Thought I would start another general thread.

Mine is water cooled, I use coolant suitable for metal and aluminum in the lines. I have a small off board radiator, pump and fans, it runs very cool.

Shipping was via EMS then through Canada Post, trackable. Took about a week from China.

It is VERY quiet compared to a router. I was cutting some MDF at 15000RPM with a 3/16 bit at 0.1 DOC. It was not loud at all, I could talk over it. With a router I would have to wear headgear. With this, I might wear head gear if doing really deep cuts.

The english manual posted on one of the other threads (there are two copies) is more than adequate to set up the VFD.

I am very impressed with this spindle. The total cost of ownership includes:
- pump, radiator and lines
- set of R20 collets
- some cabling
- 220V wiring, plus relay for EPO

Here are my parameters:
NOTE: you must set PD005 max frequency before trying to set PD003 or PD011.

PD001 Source of run commands 0 Use front panel
PD002 Source of freq control 0 Use front panel
PD003 Main Frequency 400Hz
PD004 Base frequency 400Hz Set to freq rating of motor
PD005 Max operating frequency 400Hz
PD006 Intermediate Frequency 3 For a 60Hz line?!?!
PD008 Max Voltage 220V
PD009 Intermediate Voltage 15V
PD010 Min voltage 8V
PD011 Frequency Lower Limit 120Hz
PD013 Reset parameters 0 don’t reset
PD023 Reverse Rotation 0 Do not allow reverse
PD142 Rated Motor Current 7A
PD143 Motor Pole Number 2 Number of poles on the motor
PD144 Motor Revolution 3000 Multiply PD144 (rated motor rev) by PD010 (min voltage) and get the max spindle

Hello,
where did you buy the spindle from ? do they have website ?
thank you

I have a 2.2kw spindle myself and I like it except for the cooling part.
What did you use for the pump and radiator and where did you get them?

I have a 2.2kw spindle myself and I like it except for the cooling part.
What did you use for the pump and radiator and where did you get them?

I was going to use a little mini pump and radiator for a computer. But I had a Little Giant flood coolant pump sitting in the shop, so I used that (orignally bought it from KBC). I used a new oil cooler for the radiator and a couple of 12V cooling fans. I think the pump is a little overkill. The darn thing is a little convoluted so I am going to rebuild it.

I really wonder, if the system has 2 litres of water, do I even need a radiator.

What do you have for a cooling system? Does it get hot?

Hello,
where did you buy the spindle from ? do they have website ?
thank you
Here's the sellers Ebay store:
http://stores.shop.ebay.com/love-happyshopping__W0QQ_armrsZ1

I also purchased mine from this seller and they are very polite and always willing to help.

I really wonder, if the system has 2 litres of water, do I even need a radiator.

What do you have for a cooling system? Does it get hot?

I have a 1.5kw spindle. No radiator. Just a reservoir of approx 10 litres and a small pump.

Can sometimes run ten hour jobs and it never gets above tepid.

I have seen pictures of many weird and wonderful cooling setups. Gantry mounted radiators and pumps and chiller units among them.

Overkill IMHO. If simple works then why complicate it? Just more stuff to go wrong.

Greg

How about posting pictures of cooling systems. This should help everyone.

I have a large 4X8 foot router with a reservoir with an aquarium pump mounted on the gantry. It works OK and I have run the spindle for 20 hours strait with the water only getting luke warm. I would like to redo the system because it gets clogged with gunk from the reservoir and reduces flow or even stops it completely! Pictures of my setup are in my pictures gallery:

http://www.cnczone.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/51195

What kind of threading do the coolant holes have on the spindle?

There is really not much to see Bob. That is the beauty of simplicity. :)

Plastic container, I used a square type with a clip on lid.

Submersible pump. Although at present I am using a coolant pump I had spare off a machine. Good quality aquarium pump is my first choice.

Pump is switched via Mach3 with the spindle speed control. SSR.

1/4" plastic tubing run through the cable management system (cable chain).

It is cheap, easily obtainable and replaced in a few minutes if it goes a little stiff with age.

Need to remember that very little flow is actually required. A smarter man than me worked out the following,

"If your water flow fills a beer glass in a whole minute, the water temp will not rise more than 20C [36F] while cooling a 3kW [5HP] spindle that is
only 80% efficient and running under full load."

Mine is 700ml/min. 24 fl/oz.

Greg

I would like to redo the system because it gets clogged with gunk from the reservoir and reduces flow or even stops it completely!


Where does the gunk come from? I never have that problem.

I do not think the larger tube diameter is needed. At low volume flow the restriction has not proved to be a problem. I have 10 metres of 1/4" tubing.

As flow increases the effect of restriction goes up exponentially of course. If you want it to squirt like a fire hose it will have a huge bearing on it.

Greg

Thanks analogman for all the info.

I bought two 2.2Kw water spindle this week and was a little afraid about how to setup the VFD.

I have read this thread as well as the older one and found it very helpful.

Hope you'll keep posting because I will certainly have some questions for you.

I have ask the seller about the 110v unit but he reply that almost every body buy the 220v unit.

Greolt - thanks for that info about the simple cooling system. Mine is being a pain. So I just ripped it all apart, got a 5 gal bucket, put the submersible pump into the bottom and I am off the races! The pump is 300GPH, so I put a bleeder valve on the line right in the bucket. Keeps the pressure down and the pump from working too hard.

I love simplicity.

jeffrey001 - yeah the VFD was a little intimidating at first, but it turned out that google was a great friend. I'd just search for things like "CNC PD003" and up came a few different forums. There are two manuals floating around out there, I have attached a zip version of the better translation.

Also I forgot to post the connectors:

E to ground

R (L) input power to 220V hot
S input power to 220V hot
T (N) input power (for 3 phase) unused
U to motor pin 1
V to motor pin 2
W to motor pin 3
P1 Not used.
P+ Not used.
PR Not used. Braking resistor

So the input to the spindle is 220VAC@50hz?
We just need a converter to run it from our 110VAC power?

Nope, input is 220VAC 60Hz single phase. I just take this from my shop 220VAC. Since I am North America, its all 60Hz.

If your shop doesn't have any 220V plugs, its pretty easy to wire them in. Same as a dryer, stove or electric heater circuit, just a smaller current rating.

Ahh ok, I was looking at these spindles until I seen the 22VAC requirement. I have a large step-up transformer 110 to 220 that may work, what are the current requirements?
Thanks for the help.

Current = power / voltage
2.2kW / 220VAC
= 10 Amps

Probably in that neighborhood. I am sure there are losses for heat, power factor correction, etc.

Nope, input is 220VAC 60Hz single phase. I just take this from my shop 220VAC. Since I am North America, its all 60Hz.

It will take either 50Hz or 60Hz.

I looked at the prices again and as a set the spindle and inverter looks reasonable, not that I'm an expert in fact far from it. The inverter is not just a step-up tranformer it looks quite a bit more involved than that.

You were thinking to power the spindle directly from a step up transformer from a wall plug? Cant do that. You need a drive - its the drive that converts the 220AC 60Hz single phase to 3 phase variable frequency to control the speed of the motor.

Yep I realized that when I started to read the manual in one of the previous posts.

Hey lads, here is my VFD setup using the same drive and motor as the OP, I even bought it from the same seller. I can control the VFD via Mach 3, there is one other setting you need to change if you are going to remotely control your VFD, PD072. Change this from 50hz to 400hz.

My whole machine is run from a 240v 10amp supply, I changed out a flaky RCD unit that caused everything to trip out a some very inopportune times. I find now I just set all my cutters at 12k rpm and use the spindle override to achieve the whole range from 6k to 24k.

The Smoothstepper is on the left with DG06 speed controller middle and BOB to the left. The other BOB behind everything is a custom made board to communicate to my main drives.

The machine can be viewed here http://www.youtube.com/user/AllydsCNC

I think the gunk I am getting in the lines is from saw dust in the reservoir. After about 3 weeks of operation the lines clog up and the pump cannot push the water through the spindle. I think there was always a problem with the spindle restricting water flow. I'm going to have to play with it some more to find out where the problems really are.

Allyd1964, what driver board do you use to control your spindle? Any special setup?

pplug, I find that using a low volume pump on the cooling system works really well. As Greolt says - if you try to push too much through it will present too much resistance. My new simple setup works wondrously. 30 feet of 1/8" I.D. hose to a submersible pump in a sealed 5 gal container.

Allyd1964, what driver board do you use to control your spindle? Any special setup?

Hey analogman, the speed controller card is the Digi-Speed 06 from Homann Designs. It converts the step pulse train to a 0-10v output using the 10v supply from the VFD. There is no special setup, just the instructions that come with the board. There are quite a few changes you need to make to the VFD to gain control via an external controller. If you you need some further help either PM me or post here.

Cheers

I rewired the submersable pump last weekend. I took out the 1/2" diameter tube and replaced it with 3/16". I get better flow and now the spindle dose not clog. My next project is to try the smaller pump I have and seal the reservoir.

I'm also thinking of getting another spindle for a moving table router I made to replace an hitachi router.

Hi,
Do you know the name of spindle producer ( 1.5 and 2.2 KW versions ) - link to site ? Any name of it ?

Regards

Emil

I've ordered a spindle from a chinese company...Kinkda. Has anyone here heard anything about this company. The quality of their spindles and whether they are a reputable company. I'm about to finalize the order and would like to get some feed back first.

Thanks

Do you know the name of spindle producer ( 1.5 and 2.2 KW versions ) - link to site ? Any name of it ?
I bought mine from this Ebay store: http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/love-happyshopping__W0QQ_armrsZ1