does anyone know if there is a forum for fagor controls, if so could you post
a link, or someone who could answer fagor specific questions thanks

I use a Fagor controller, maybe I can help?

be prepared for some stupid questions... your help would be appreciated thanks in advance I have 1 cnc mill with a 8055 controler and 4th axis. A good percentage of
the programing I do is 4 axis.
1st question: tool life I set up sesveral tools and set there original life and family but
they don't age. I would like the machine to change to the next tool in the family after
there cutting time has expired. Do I need to add lines to my programs to make the tools age?

Apparently This Option Is Not Installed

I am looking at a lathe with an 800T controller.
Is this a user friendly unit?
How about some feedback or opinions

I like the 8055mc it is a milling version. I don't know about the 800. I think the
newer the controler the better. CAM software is in the end the most important. Make shure you have a com port and the options installed that
you want, ram ect try to get the manual first the manuals for my 8055 are available online. I think what you need to know is what options are standard
and what you pay extra for.

The 800T is a coversational control. I have never used one but I do like the Fagor control. We have four W/S SC lathes retrofited with 8050T's. I like the Fagor control just fine. It has a lot of room for you to make it work like you want it to. The BIG question is who did your retrofit and did they do it well. Our retrofit was done by a company with very little experience. It shows in how well the machine runs. The motors were sized too small etc... I'm not completely unhappy with them I just know that they would be better if the retrofit had been done properly.

Sorry that I overlooked your responses a few months back, thanks for the feedback.
I have now just (yesterday) got a new lathe with the 8040T controller.
I have started reading the manuals, was wondering if there is some sort of online tutorial sim for the programming.
My current CAM is mill only and I don't intend to buy a lathe package, I want to do it all on machine.

Any more suggestions would be appreciated.

There is ALOT of different features that are available on that controler. I have been using the same one for over a year and I love it. (seariously I would marry it if I could)
I would suggest that you write your programs to utilize the available parameters. Also look at the control and see how many parameters there are. If there are only 300 then you should call Fagor in Chicago and ask for an up to date software. I would use 8.15 atleast, this viersion offers 900 parametrs. also when you talk to them ask for the validation code to make your control a TCO model this will unlock the conversational features. Then ask for the validation code for the setup assistance, and profile editor. I have meet with the lead service enginere at the Chicago office and I am available for consultation help. So, if you have any questions just let me know and I will help you out. Also read up on the USER features. this is veary usefull. I can write you a USER program that alows you to answer simple questions and it will write a new program with out any g-m code knowledge. also it can help you set all your offsets and monitor tool life. Good luck and Have fun!

I just got myself a new job and the company has purchased 4 Fagor 8055T controllers which are running vertical boring mills. We are using Gibbs to do our programming. As no one has used Fagor controls before we are unable to figure out how to start in the middle of the program. We've tried a few things but the program jumps to the beginning all the time. Is it possible to start in the middle of a G-code program with Fagor??? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Glenn

shimmwagen

Suggest you add a line after the 'Speed, Feed, etc.' conditions are set.
(Goto N????)
N???? is your line number you want to start from.

Kiwi

not sure i understand.

"Suggest you add a line after the 'Speed, Feed, etc.' conditions are set.
(Goto N????)

Are you saying i should insert a blank line?

we have tried starting on a N???? line after the speed/feed have been set and still starts at beginning of program.

shimmwagen

Add a line as per sample.

%
N0007 T01 M06
N0008 S8000 M03
N0009 M08
N0010 F600.0
N0010 (GOTO N0017) ;<<<< this line
N0011 G00 X7.3129 Y10.0677 Z0
N0014 F50.0
N0015 G01 X7.3129 Y10.0677 Z-1
N0017 F600.0 ;<<<< The 'GOTO' will skip to this line.
N0018 G01 X7.6886 Y10.071 Z-1 ;<<<< Make sure this line has G00, G01, G02, G03 as required.
N0019 X7.7999 Y10.4235 Z-1
N0020 X7.4975 Y10.6394 Z-1
N0032 M09
N0033 M02
%

Kiwi

Thanks, I'll give it a try tomorrow.

Hi I also use a fagor 8055 on a 3 axis mill. great to hear that others also use this. I have been searching for fagor forums around the net for a while.
Our mill is working fine but I have one problem. And that is to controll the Digital Outputs. I did this litle test on my machine. what hapend was that output 13,14,15,16 go high then a litle pause and when (PLCO13=0) came it reset output 13,14,15 and 16. here is the test
%Test DI DO ,MX,
(PLCO13=1)
(PLCO14=1)
(PLCO15=1)
(PLCO16=1)
G04 K700
(PLCO13=0)
M30
%

If I put (PLCO15=0) at the end instead, it will reset output 15 an 16. I use the DO to controll a fixture (clamping, automatic door and a litle air tool) What i wanted is only to set the specific output to 0. Not every output with that number o higher. A fagor dealer told me to use (PLCO13.1=0) but the machine wont accept that code. when set to 1 it's no problem then i can set any output to 1 independent. Anyone have an idea. Probably I do some thing wrong.

smoregrava

I think I would be looking at your PLC programe.
Search through it, and see if these Inputs/Outputs appear, then try to understand what has been written for them.

Kiwi

God idea. Maybe there is some logic around the outputs I have chosen in the PLC program. I will do that today.

Have searched trough the PLC but can't sind anything on the output13 to 16. But I find the other outputs so I don't think there is the PLC program who reset my output.

I have just recived a new machine from Fagor a BEMATO 3 axis mill with Fagor 8055M controll. I have Ethernet conection with TCPIP. But It won't work.
We have an other simillar machine but that machine has NetBeui.And this one is working perfect. My problem si that the new machine have many new ethernet parameters. The manual does not include this new parameters.

Anyone know what the parameters SERUNI1,IPSWDNC,IPSNFS,IPTYPET,DNCEACT and DIRNFS means??

smoregrava

Your machine sounds similar to mine. BEMATO 800FL 3 axis Machine Centre.
My PC is connected through the serial port.
I can give you the settings if this is any help.

Kiwi

Unfortunaly I don't think the settings for Serial port will help me. I need to connect it to the normal ethernet. But thanks anyway. Very interesting that you have a Bemato I don't know any other using these machines. Do you know any experts in BEMATO mill's?

smoregrava

Sorry, don't know any BEMATO experts, solved my own problem last time.
Do you have the FAGOR Manual CD. I think it is online.
I've attached four pages on 'Machine Parameters for Ethernet'
I don't see the ones you asked about.

BTW What model BEMATO is yours?

Kiwi

Yes I have the pdf manual. But it's not updated. Maybe the online version is? do you know where to find that.

your machine is callet BTW-2063R. A quite huge 3 axis mill. The mil is very afordable and until now the old machine have been working allrigth. Here is a picture of the machine

Sounds like you have the same as me.
I don't have the site to view the manual on line, I would thought it would be the FAGOR home page.
Looks like you will need to contact FAGOR.
My machine looks the same as this.

They seems to be quite the same. My toolchanger is vertical only differese I could se. we have used this machine in continius production. 24 hours a day. The machine have worked allrigth. Only thing is that the chain to the weigth have streched a little. So these needs to be changed now. Have tried to contact Fagor but the mail adress on their web page is not working???? a little bit uprofessional maybe? Do anyone have a emali adress to fagor?

smoregrava

My machine is much smaller, X800 Y480 Z510.
I choose this model because of its external measurement, as I work from the basement of my house.
I understand that BEMATO is marketing company for a number of different manufactures and my BMT 800FL is manufactured by FUKUNO.

Kiwi

We have an Ajax lathe fitted with Fagor 800T controller.
Can anyone advise what software we need on a PC so that we can upload and download programs from this controller please?

Free http://www.cadem.com/ncnet/ncnet_dncdetails-4.htm
Do you have an RS232 port?
Al.

We have an Ajax lathe fitted with Fagor 800T controller.
Can anyone advise what software we need on a PC so that we can upload and download programs from this controller please?

The Fagor 800 control system is an old model controller that was really just a bridge between Digital Readout Systems and their CNC Controls. It is conversational, however, you can download and run G-code programs on the control. As a note, this control has not been manufactured in somewhere around 10 years.

The software you need is free of charge and you may download from their International Website at the following link. It is the WinDNC program and is a windows based software that allows for uploading/downloading of part programs, monitoring the CNC and drip feed infinite length execution programs.

At this main page you will find the DNC software download. www.fagorautomation.com

Good Luck
Todd

Hey guys i was wondering is anyone knows how to do a sub program call on a fagor 8055m control. I need to call a program from within another program and i can't seem to find anything about it anywherre in the manual. thanks!

allen

AllenM
Have you read chapter 14 (Program Control Statements- Subroutine Statements) Page 6 & 7 in the FAGOR Manual.
I'm not conversant enough with it to help you.

Yes, Kiwi is correct, in chapter 14 of most manual versions is program control statements which shows you how to do jumps, repeat, subroutines, etc....

To define a subroutine in the Fagor 8040 or 8055 is pretty simple. Within paranethesis you use (Sub xx) to designate the end of sub you use (RET)

Example:

(Sub 10) Defines the following as subroutine 10
G0x5y5z5
M10
(Ret) End of subroutine

To call the subroutine, simply use the statement (call 10)

If you choose "high level language" softkey while in the CNC editor, you will see these statements are function key options and you really do not even have to type them in, just choose the high level statement you wish to use and hit the key.

The subroutine can be anywhere in memory, the calling program will find it and execute it. Most who use frequently used subroutines will create a seperate program consisting of all these frequently used subroutines and then lock the program from accidently editing.

Hope this helps !

Good Luck
Todd

i know about subroutines, but do these span across programs? i need to call a completely different program to run from inside another program.. this is not as simple as creating a sub routine. i'm new to fagor. i know how to do this with an okuma and fanuc control but i have yet to hear any way to do it on the fagor and the manual doesn't list anything.. i'm going to search more i will report back if i find anything. to me it seems sub routines only work from the same program they are called in.

allen

just talked to a rep from fagor. you were right about the answer being in chapter 14. although the explaination in 14.6 seems vague to me explaining exactly what is required.

to call a program from inside another program:
(exec p??????)

when the new program encounters an m30 it will return control back to the main program that called it.

apparently this lends to infinite program calls as well meaning you can call a program from within a program ffrom within a program from witin a program.... etc.

also he tried to explain a way you can call programs from the HD memory card or dnc as well.. how exactly this works is not listed in the manual but he said something about it defaults from memory. then HD = harddrive MC= memory card DNC1 = dnc connection on serial 1 DNC2 = dnc connected to serial 2. where this information is placed in the command have no idea. in case anyone is curious to do this i figured i would list the information i knew.

clear as mud,
AllenM

Hi Allen,

As a note, regardless of where the subroutine or another program that you are calling are in memory, the CNC will find it and execute it. It definitely does not have to be in the same program and in fact they rarely are in the same program just because of the nature of subroutines.

How to call a subroutine I defined above. The subroutine can be your whole program as a note, you can even name the program "Subroutine 12" if you want or whatever and then the first block in the program is the (Sub xx) command and the last is the (RET) command.

However, you certainly can call another program and execute at anytime that you wish. Also in the same chapter, you should find information about the following command (exec Pxxxx) This command is simply stating to find the designated program and execute as you expressed you desired to do.

Hope this helps !

Todd

Hi Allen,

What the tech was telling you is that by simply using the following statement.

(exec P100, DNC1) : Meaning, the CNC will find the program 100 at the DNC program, which will be hooked to the rs 232 serial port. The Fagor DNC program within your computer can/does have its own directory of CNC programs that you may not have downloaded, thus the CNC will find it here and then execute the program.

(exec P100, HD) : In this case, the CNC Will find the program on the resident CNC hard disk and then execute it.

(exec P100, Card A) : All Fagor 8040's and 8055's have a Memcard slot, (Credit card sized memory card that is typically 24MB), It will find program 100 and execute from this card.

(exec P100, DNC2) : You can have a second DNC program attached to the CNC with of course its own directory.

And something brand new.... now as an option, you can have a USB port on the 8040 and 8055 controls, therefore, the new command (exec P100, USB) will now be in effect if you have it.

You can read this at the start of section 14.6.... but its pretty simple, I recommend you experiment once or twice and you'll have a complete understanding.

good luck !

Sincerely,
Todd

from what i was told about sub routines you can only have 1 running at a time meaning you can not have a sub routine runing from inside another sub routine. i think this suits my application being i want to "daisy chain" multiple programs to run simultaniously. also converting all the programs i currently have to sub routines might be a little more than work than i want to do. i'm going to experiment more with both of these concepts as i have some good uses for sub routines assigned to key commands as well. i appreciate the help. i guess i really need to spend some time with the manual cause as i look at it now it does seem pretty clear.

DOH!
AllenM

off to figure out the thermwood 91000 super control!

hello , i need to conect the machine with fagor 8055M control to my Pc via ethernet, any body can tell me how to do¿?

Dacumar,

Call the Fagor Automation North American Headquarters on Monday morning and speak with Alex @ extension 436..... he has a document he can fax or email to you that takes you through the procedure for Ethernet hook-up.

Fagor headquarters phone # 800-423-2467 if in USA

If outside of USA, 1-847-981-1500

Todd

If you haven't connecet jet maybe I could help you out with this one. I have done ethernet setup on bout our Fagor 8055M machines. The oldes has Netbeui. If your machine have this you have to install Netbeui protocoll to the computer you want to use.

If you are goning to connect directly to at comuter (not into a network) you have to use a crossed cable.

you find the parameters for ethernet by pressing shift, esc and I think ethernet parameters is under the general parameter menu( can check this if you don't find it)
Here is my parameter setup.

eHDDIR \CNC\USER
CNMODE 0
CNID FAGORCNC2
CNGROUP CNC
CNDOMAIN WORK
EXTNAME1 CNCDISKEN
CNHDDIR1 \CNC\USER
SERUNI1 D
SERUNI2 E
DNCEACT 1
IPTYPET 0
DIRIP 192.168.1.24
NETMASK 255.255.255.0

when you have done this setup You can connect your kable and Restart you CNC machine. If you have the a new machine you just open windows explorer and type in the dirip. in my case 192.168.1.24 and you you will see the hardisk of your machine. If you copy nc programs to the harddisk throu ethernet you have to copy them from the hardisk to the memory on the CNC machine to se the program and to run it in operation mode. you don't have acces to the memory throu ethernet.

If you have the Netbeui version you have to make a new connection in Windows explorer to the machine like a new disk. If you have the paramters shown above the path will be
\\FAGORCNC2\CNCDISKEN

ok, thank you, I will attempt it and I will make them know my progresses

Hi I also use a fagor 8055 on a 3 axis mill. great to hear that others also use this. I have been searching for fagor forums around the net for a while.
Our mill is working fine but I have one problem. And that is to controll the Digital Outputs. I did this litle test on my machine. what hapend was that output 13,14,15,16 go high then a litle pause and when (PLCO13=0) came it reset output 13,14,15 and 16. here is the test
%Test DI DO ,MX,
(PLCO13=1)
(PLCO14=1)
(PLCO15=1)
(PLCO16=1)
G04 K700
(PLCO13=0)
M30
%

If I put (PLCO15=0) at the end instead, it will reset output 15 an 16. I use the DO to controll a fixture (clamping, automatic door and a litle air tool) What i wanted is only to set the specific output to 0. Not every output with that number o higher. A fagor dealer told me to use (PLCO13.1=0) but the machine wont accept that code. when set to 1 it's no problem then i can set any output to 1 independent. Anyone have an idea. Probably I do some thing wrong.

If anyone is interested a fagor expert have helped me with this problem. It is possible to mask out ony one output. I want to reset output 13 and not reset output 14,15,16 then the code is
(PLCO13 = PLCO13 AND $FFFE)
Nice if you need it :-)

Helical Interpolation Problem:

Hi, I am trying to run this code on a Fagor 8055 Mill controlled CNC

The CAM program outputs High Speed Machining type code with helical entry ramping paths and is calculated from the Tool Tip rather than Tool Centre Line.

I have output a program (see below) and am trying to adapt it to run on the Fagor 8055
The program is creating an error (something like "incorrect code") when it comes to a helical interpolation movement:

G03 X-20.928 Y36.248 Z83.273 I4.256 J2.109

Below is an example of the program (n.b.- units = mm's):

( Waterline Toolpath 1 [16x3, 0.3] )
( Waterline Toolpath )
( Cutter: 16.000x3.000 )
( Note: Cutter tip output, not centerline )

%
G90 G17
G51 E0.01
F5000
G01Z91.000
G01X-28.292Y39.732
T1D1
M06
G00G43Z91.000D1
G00X-28.292Y39.732
S7500M03
M08
G01Z86.612
F1500
X-28.275Y39.697Z86.215
X-28.223Y39.592Z85.835
X-28.138Y39.421Z85.485
X-28.024Y39.192Z85.180
X-27.886Y38.913Z84.932
X-27.729Y38.595Z84.750
X-27.558Y38.252Z84.642
G03 X-20.928 Y36.248 Z83.273 I4.256 J2.109
G03X-19.189Y42.736Z81.958I-2.375J4.114
G03X-25.678Y44.475Z80.642I-4.114J-2.375
G01X-26.157Y44.198
X-26.694Y43.892
G01X-28.594Y43.242
F5000
Z91.000
M09
M05
M02
%

p.s.- I was wondering also if I need to insert a G40 offset cancel to switch the Fagor controller diameter compensation off? i.e.:

T1D1
M06
G40
G00G43Z91.000D1

Is anyone out there running HSM type tip offset Helical ramping code that can spot my error(s) / omissions.

Thanks.

SailCam
The toolpath shouldn't need the G40 included.

Your helical interpolation with Z movement should be something like this.
G03 X-20.928 Y36.248 I4.256 J2.109 Z83.273 K1.369

This is the best I can help.

Thanks Kiwi,

I think the lack of a G40 to cancel the diameter offset between the toolchange and the G43 height offset was a factor.

I have got the program working partly.
but it comes up with an error:

0174 "Circular Interpolation not possible"

It works if I remove the look ahead:
;G51 E0.01

but then the toolpath is rough and choppy

There are several sequences in the program where helical interpolation is used.

How do I turn Look Ahead off within the program (e.g.- with a G code) without ending it (e.g. M02, or M30) so I can turn it on again for the next helical sequence?

Any ideas, or is there a way to run helical code with look ahead on??

Thanks Again

sailcam
0174 Solution:Helical Interpolation not possible while G51 active.
G05 G07 and G50 will cancel the G51.
Could you put a G05 (round corner) with appropriate feedrate before the helical sequence.
I've never done this, just a suggestion.

Does anyone know of anyone that can repair a fagor system in southern california?

Does anyone know of anyone that can repair a fagor system in southern california?

Jimmy,

Fagor has a Southern California Sales & Service branch located in Costa Mesa. (ph 714-957-9885)

However, for the actual repair of a control, it will be sent to the Fagor US headquarters in the Chicago area. But the Southern California office can arrange this for you.

On another note, what do you believe is wrong with the CNC ? Very rare for failures, maybe its something I can help with.

Todd

Does anyone know of anyone that can repair a fagor system in southern california?
call this guy he will help with your fagor problem.
michael salas
phone 619-572-34-05

The machine is a little out of adjustment. It is a four axis jig grinder. When I home the c axis it shakes a lot. It also is having a hard time making an arc. It will have way through the arc and stop. I think it just out of adjustment. I had fagor on the phone before and they tried to help me adjust the axis over the phone. I never got it perfect. Thanks for the phone numbers, I will call tomarrow.

The machine is a little out of adjustment. It is a four axis jig grinder. When I home the c axis it shakes a lot. It also is having a hard time making an arc. It will have way through the arc and stop. I think it just out of adjustment. I had fagor on the phone before and they tried to help me adjust the axis over the phone. I never got it perfect. Thanks for the phone numbers, I will call tomarrow.

Is that a Nasa Machine Jig Grinder ?

Actually based upon what you are saying, it really has nothing to do with the Fagor CNC provided the parameters for servo gain, acc/dec, max circular interpolation speeds and a few others are set correctly. Which they probably are, or at least close unless somebody has been playing around with them. Typically, it is some finesse work with the Servo Drives gains, balance and tach pots.....

good luck !

Todd

WinDNC problem :confused:
Hi Fagor folks I need some help. I don't manage to run Infinite program on my machine. I have never done this so the problem is probably me.
I have 4 Bemato mills with Fagor 8055Mi controllers. Connected to a network. I Use winDNC version 4.1 and it work great. I use telediagostic a lot. Connection over internett from home to the machines at my work, and update programs, edit programs and help the operators to solve problems. But "Infinite" is not working. Do I have to run RS232 serial cable to make this work. I have not tried serial cables only network.
Anyone have the scheme for the serial cable that works?

Yes after consulting a fagor expert I found out that the only thing I had to do was setting the CNC in execute mode. :o Just "shift" + "Esc" and choose EXECUTE. then back to the computer start winDNC find program and press start. And the machine started up.Nice

So to answer my own question. Dont need serial cable to DNC, could just use the network. If the servo's is on I could start the machine from my home. Migth be a bad idea to try.

hi everyone. i need some help.

i recently purchased a cnc lathe with a fagor 8055t control. just after start up i get some error? messages.

incorrect validation code (whats a validation code?)
cycle start not available due to memkey removal (haven't touched it)???
do you wish to format memkey?

what does all this mean? these messages appear in a green line at the bottom of the screen.

please help.

bump

The Validation code is a code suplied by fagor. If you want more options to your controller then you get a new code from Fagor. But it seems strange that the code is wrong if the machine have worked before. Someone migth have change something??

Maybe you can find the validation code if you had some notes or documents together with your machine. Or I would contact your seller or the fagor service people in your region.

Hi I am new to the CNC forum, I am purchasing a new lathe with a Faor controller on it. Is there any type of training vidios etc available for running a lathe. It is a teaching lathe thanks for any help Alvin

The manuals are available on the website.
IMO they are NOT good. The tutorials do not go into enough detail or explain WHY when necessary.
IMO it also suffers from a HEAVY dose of SPANGLISH.
You will definately need help with things like Contour programming.

I am very happy with my 8040T
Call Fagor in Mississauga and get Mohit out for a day of training. He can be a little difficult to understand but he really knows his stuff.