I am interested in any reviews or comments regarding the turn-key CNC Routers from Debece. Their home page says they are distributors for a German company. Does anyone know if Debece is the name used in Gemany? Price seems good, but I haven't found any other info on them. Website is sparce.

Have you also checked out Larken Router Tables? They make a good product and have a forum here.
Al

I will look at them, but have local opportunity on Debece.

I am a small business that produces a model ship kit. The name of my business is Lauck Street Shipyard, LLC. I currently use a MaxNC router mill to cut out parts for the kit. Three months ago I ordered the debece mill from Dimitrios Buechler and never received the mill. I have paid in cash, $7976.00 to this individual and yesterday when I demanded a refund I was told that by Mr. Buechler that he could not refund my money because he did not have sufficient cash to do so. He could not give me a difinitive deliver date on the mill and he has given me the run around for several months as to delivery of the mill.

I strongly advise that no one purchase any equipment from this business. I have reported this fraud to the Florida State Police as well as the FBI, Internet Crimes division.

Thank you,

Robert E. Hunt
The Lauck Street Shipyard, LLC
http://www.lauckstreetshipyard.com

Went to your site...looks very good. Hope you do well with it.

I started this thread. I bought a Debece router DTR200S which had several options and came with the Kress routing motor off of E-Bay. Original owner ended up changing jobs and couldn't pursue it.

Machine appears very well made. Mounting of the Kress motor is very stable. One strange thing in the construction is that each of the axis stepper motors are physically different size and voltage. All steppers are Nanotec; y is ST5818M3008 2.1 v, x ST5818L3008 3.1 v and Z is St4018M1206 3.7 v. Another quirk is that it connects using the serial port. Did come with dust collection housing for the tools.

It comes with prepackaged software called WinPC-NC that has no CAD functions. It is from Germany and very popular there. English instructions came with it.

Now for my experience. From the beginning I have had problems with the relationship between the software units and files used with it. I have bought and created G-code files from Mach II, BobCAD and Rasterfratz. Since the software can read hpgl, I also have tried Corel.

Even when the input g-code or plt files are created with metric units, the router software reads it differently. I need to increase scale by 3 to 5 times in order to get the original size and even then it is a guess.

Even without loading a file and running the machine in manual, travel in an axis is not the same as the screen units. For example, I manually move 1,000 units in x or y and then measure it at 93 mm. The machine is set in metric mode when I do that.

I am looking into replacing the stepper motors and controller in order to use another control software so I can cut what I see.

I have talked several times with Dimitrious, but between his heavy accent and my limited machining knowledge the problems were not resolved.

I should keep the steppers, they will run great with a Picstep or another OS controller in combination with Mach2/3.

At least that's my experience with the nanotec st57 series.

Hello evryboody on this very interesting forum.
I'm new in this and a want to learn. In this moment
I'm interestin for debece cnc. I need some tehnical information about this machine. Please help me!

If you are new to CNC like I was then I would point you to another complete system. The machine performs well, but has some peculiar features.

The methods that is uses are very common in Europe. It uses a serial interface that does not allow directly use of Mach2/3, BobCAD or other CAM software. It is designed for use with Corel and HPGL plotter files.

It took me some time to figure out how to use BobCAD and Mach2/3 for creating G-code. Each time I have to go into Wordpad and change some things. The code for taking the Z axis to position and between cuts needs to be modified.

There is a nearly identical machine being sold on E-Bay. Big difference is the use of two stepper motors for the X axis instead of the cogged belt to connect them on mine with a single stepper motor. The E-Bay machine ships from Germany and includes the same software - Win-PC/NC. There is no CAD function with the software.

I called once (to Debece USA) for some help on distance per revolution and was told not to exceed 20 mm /second speed when cutting. Specifications for many other machines are faster.

My machine came with no manual or documentation at all. Only a help file for the software.

Best of luck.

Thank You for your answer to me, please tell me what another comlete system is better forme. I work my 3d models in Solidworks and ArtCam. What
is better solution for me.
Thanks again for help.

In Germany they have web site www.team-haase.de. They don't give any of
specification for machine.

The USA Debece is nearly identical to the following E-Bay store

http://stores.ebay.com/CNC-Frasmaschinen-CNC-Frasmaschine

I see they have parallel port connection and twin X axis steppers.

Same software as with Debece. The Kress router is awesome.

Lot of data at the E-Bay site. Send them email about the software input you want to use.

Pictures of mine are in the photo portion of this website.

Can anyone tell me what I would need to do, to power a kress on my 110v in the usa? I've looked for foreign power converters, but the only one's I can get my hands on convert the wrong way. US to Euro. Plus I really don't know what the heck I'm looking at. I would greatly appreciate any help or a point in the right direction. I really want to get one and try it out. Thanks!

My Kress motors came as 110 volt. I have two pictures of mine in the gallery, one shows part of the 110 sticker.

http://www.cnczone.com/gallery/data/500/Dust_Collector.JPG

Do you have a 220 volt Kress already??

See this link;
http://www.kress-elektrik.de/en/products/browse_products.php?categorie=767

Seems they changed their models from mine.

I don't have one as of yet. I just received a email from Techno Isel saying they have a 110v version of the 800W for around $280. Seems kind of high when I see this link on ebay for $162

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280062047868

The only thing is it states this...

2,5 m mains cable with Euro 2 pin plug

I don't even know what that means heehee...

Is that a debece router that you have? Looks nice from what I can see.

[QUOTE=mtd091571;240677]I don't have one as of yet. I just received a email from Techno Isel saying they have a 110v version of the 800W for around $280. Seems kind of high when I see this link on ebay for $162

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280062047868

The only thing is it states this...

2,5 m mains cable with Euro 2 pin plug

I don't even know what that means heehee...

Is that a debece router that you have? Looks nice from what I can see.

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A Euro 2 pin plug is similar to your plug: home use, however this does not matter as you can remove this plug and replace it with your own as the motor does not require an earth connection. Regards / Marchantdice

Steve,
It might be worth your while to replace the control with Mach3 & an appropriate breakout board. A 3-axis machine running steppers...is a 3 axis machine running steppers. Nothing special about the machine you bought. If the steppers are mis-matched, I am sure that you can replace them as well with any number of steppers out there, like the Tormach Nema 23 ones.

If you ran Mach3, you could buy any number of breakout boards, such as the ones offered by Bob Campbell, and wire up the step & direction signals off of the Nanotec drivers to the breakout board. There's not a whole lot more to it than that...then you'll have your choice of any number of cad/cam programs out there with a Mach3 post processor available for just about everything...Anyway, that's what I would do. The machine hardware doesn't make much difference. 3 axis is 3 axis.

-Brady

Hello everybody, I'm thinking of buying a larken cnc 5x10 2001 model with 10 h spindle for building kitchen cabs and mdf doors , any thoughts?

I started this thread. I bought a Debece router DTR200S which had several options and came with the Kress routing motor off of E-Bay. Original owner ended up changing jobs and couldn't pursue it.

Hi Steve... I also have just purchased what I believe is a Debece from a seller on eBay. It have three diffrent size motors just as you have described and a Kress router. The machine is in beautiful like new condition. It came with WinPC-NC software but no instructions. Most information I have found is German. Is the instructions you have in a PDF? If so could you be so kind to send me a copy? I have some images in Corel that I'd like to start testing with but I have no idea how to get the drawings from one program to the other. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Hi,

Attached is email that I recieved back from the software author in 2005.
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Dear Mr. Stram,
many thanks for your mail and for using our software.
Please find the new software in attachment. Do not forget to update the firmware in the axis controller as well.
Please feel free to contact us again.
Best regards
B.Lewetz

Burkhard Lewetz
Hard-Software
Brueckenstrasse 7
D-88074 Meckenbeuren
Tel. ++49-7542-21886
Fax ++49-7542-3889
eMail info@lewetz.de
Homepage www.lewetz.de


Am 24 Jul 2005, um 10:03 hat Steve geschrieben:
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The files he sent me are attached to this post.

You will set the distance per pulse through the controller software. It took me a couple of times to get that right.

I would suggest you get use to working in metric, as the english units don't always seem to translate right.

Being my machine uses a serial interface, I am planning to change over to a new controller that will interface with Mach3 CAM. Most likely the Hobby CNC kit.

Only in the past 2 months (since 2005) have I been able to concentrate on the machine for continuous periods of time. My use to date is almost entirely 2-D cutting of wood. I create the model in Bob-CAD and use the CAM feature to generate the g-code. Bob-CAD made a post processor for the Win-PCNC software interface. I didn't put much effort into the HPGL or PLT file method, but would be interested in any success you have.

Hi Steve... thank you for the quick response... and a BIG thank you for the instruction manual! most of my measurments are already in metric so i think I will jet resolve myself to using that system. Thanks for the tip!

My machine also has a serial port interface so if you change over please keep me posted on your results.

I just got the machine yesterday and hope to make some progress over the weekend. I plan to use the machine to make solid body guitars and custom neck inlays. So the 3rd Z axes will be a necessary step for me.

Do you think it would be possible to use another (3d) software? I mean all this gets translated to coordinates and plunge depths anyway right?

This is all part of the controller? and it interfaces the machine with the software? This may seem like a silly questions but what does it look like? where on my machine can I find it? If I wanted to use a different software would I have to change it?

I was able to find some DFX and DWG files already complete of standard guitar body shapes. Is their any way I can import or use these files with the WinPC-NC software that you know of?

I know this is a lot and I'll likely have to learn the hard way thanks so much for your help.

Okay I got a deal on a Debece that came with WinPC-NC however I have not had any luck.

WinPC-NC software to me sounds a lot like Mach3 as they each clam to turn your PC into a controller. Not that I know anything about Mach3 but they do have a lot more support and larger community.

Has anyone used Mach3 on their Debece CNC? Will it work? Would I have to make any other modifications?

Thanks

The WINPC-NC is very popular in Europe, expecially Germany. It seems they use HPGL files quite often. Essentially with HPGL the CNC works like the old school gantry pen plotters. HPGL seems to only use pen-up and pen-down, so any real 3D is beyond me.

Biggest issues with Debece and WINPC-NC are the serial cable connection and the dedicated controller with firmware. You either need to learn the system in place or replace all or it to the stepper motors. The learning curve was not pretty for me, but I had the time.

I am creating g-code through BCC. The ISO g-code set needs to be very limited and it took some time for me to figure out how to avoid crop circles. Using another software that may not be a problem.

If you can afford it, I would reccomend you buying a complete system of opto isolator, breakout board and motor controllers. I will be doing this in the next 90 days. This can be as cheap as under $100 in kit form from Hobby CNC if you feel confident in soldering. Otherwise there are quite a few turnkey systems. That way you can use any of the common CAM programs like as DeskNC, TurboCNC, Machx directly.

I have no complaints about the Debece machine mechanically and the Kress router is world class. I see on-line that the newer ones from Germany have two x-axis stepper motors instead of the belt driven opposite side. Mine came with the dust collector and limit switches.

I also have a similar machine that also uses the kress routing motor FM 6990. We can no longer get this motor and was needing to know of another supplier or a good replacemnt for it.