I just wanted to create a thread where swiss users can list tips, and macro's they find helpfull, personally I am using a citizen A20, but to anyone who uses something different please list, im open to all sugg. just looking for new idea's, anything from skimming run time, to breaking chips, to best tooling for metels, or anything usefull for that matter. Thanks guys.

Fire away! Any questions, maybe I can help.

Does anyone know where one can get training or basic instructions for a citizen F-20. Could use someone for a couple of weeks to help with set-up and basics. Thanks

Sub Program to check if "Start Position" was performed before starting cycle. Add M98P222 BEFORE and movement in program.

O222(CHECK-START-POSITION)

IF[#810NE#816]GOTO30
IF[ABS[#5043]GT[#814/2]]GOTO30
IF[#5043NE0]GOTO1

IF[#5041NE#824]GOTO1
GOTO7

N1
M6 (CLOSE MAIN COLLET)
(CUTOFF)
T0100
S1=#817M3
G0X#814+.1T1
/M52
G99G1X#824F#822
G4U.5
M5

N7
(START POSITION)
IF[#5022EQ[#872-#818]]GOTO991
M7
G4U.2
G0X#824W0T0
G53Z#872-#818
M6

N991
M99

N30
#3000=70(--CALL-CUTOFF)

currently I am operating a citizen a20, is there anyone else here using that machine or a16, L20, L32?

I have A16, A20 C16, K16, L20, L25, M16, M20, M32 Citizen's right out side my office door.

thank you to everyone for reposting, its nice to get input. We have only been running the citizens here for almost a year, here we run anything from plastics, to stainless, brass to 303 and 316. Currently for turning, we are using kennametal tool holders and inserts, I have no complaints and cost is pretty decent. We do spend a great deal of time on some jobs changing inserts on the harder materials, this is given, but I just wanted your input on what you use and how they compare, our most common inserts (although they change with material) are the KC5010, and KC5025 and occasionally KC730., also when running steel we have the given problem of breaking the chips, any advice without loosing cycle time, we often have to clear are chips off the front and back drills, we have a high pressor coolant system, but MOST of the time, is more of a pain in the ass, and it helps with cycle time but not so much with chips wrapped on drills.

Thank you for everyones help and support!

does anyone know where to find the #5040's? wanting to take advantage of g160 on a citizen m20/m32. thanx a gazillion!!!

or better yet, does anybody know where to find the # for the guide bushing torque???

Here are the # for the machine positions. These will give you the axis shown for the $ sign you are in when you ask.
What are you trying to do that you want the torque for the guidebushing?


#5021= Macro variable for "X" current axis "Machine" position
#5022= Macro variable for "Z" current axis "Machine" position
#5023= Macro variable for "Y" current axis "Machine" position
#5024= Macro variable for "C" current axis "Machine" position

#5041= Macro variable for "X" current axis "Relative" position
#5042= Macro variable for "Z" current axis "Relative" position
#5043= Macro variable for "Y" current axis "Relative" position
#5044= Macro variable for "C" current axis "Relative" position

i really want to use all the servo amp differences to make a macro in order to have my machine check and then eventually offset itself.

thank you to everyone for reposting, its nice to get input. We have only been running the citizens here for almost a year, here we run anything from plastics, to stainless, brass to 303 and 316. Currently for turning, we are using kennametal tool holders and inserts, I have no complaints and cost is pretty decent. We do spend a great deal of time on some jobs changing inserts on the harder materials, this is given, but I just wanted your input on what you use and how they compare, our most common inserts (although they change with material) are the KC5010, and KC5025 and occasionally KC730., also when running steel we have the given problem of breaking the chips, any advice without loosing cycle time, we often have to clear are chips off the front and back drills, we have a high pressor coolant system, but MOST of the time, is more of a pain in the ass, and it helps with cycle time but not so much with chips wrapped on drills.

Thank you for everyones help and support!

I know there is another thread on tooling, but I didnt see anyone using kennametal, so if anyone that has there say in it, that would be great, thanks