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marvinstov
04-28-2003, 09:42 PM
Does anyone have any experience with Liberty Enterprises MI1612 or MI2421 CNC Routers?

Thanks

paulried
04-28-2003, 10:48 PM
The pictures looked nice, but details are few and far between. I emailed them for a spec sheet.

Does machine include the spindle? Software? What is feedrate? What is the Z travel?

I will post back if they send me anything.


Paul

marvinstov
04-29-2003, 06:30 AM
Paul,
They don't say much about anything they have. I would like to build one but all my tools are in Idaho and Kansas. Don't know that much about the electronics and software though. Would like to get a small machine to learn on. Thanks for the reply.

Marvin

paulried
04-29-2003, 02:34 PM
Marvin:

You might want to check out CheapCNC. Their machine looks similar and is in the same price range. I have one on order that is to be shipped later this week.

CheapCNC (http://www.cheapcnc.com)

cncadmin
04-29-2003, 03:15 PM
I spoke to the owner on the phone and he is going to take a peek at the site and I'm sure his will answer any questions.

marvinstov
04-29-2003, 08:06 PM
Thanks Paul R. and Paul G. I have been looking at Cheap CNC and others. Also been looking into a Torchmate but don't have a place here to operate one. That is why I am looking into the CNC Routers. I have just about decided to get a "Cheap CNC". I need something that is complete since I don't have many tools with me. It is really a nice clean looking machine, if that counts for anything.

Thanks again,
Marvin

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04-29-2003, 08:09 PM
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jemmyell
04-29-2003, 08:30 PM
Hi All,

I own Liberty CNC and can say that I am extremely pleased with the quality of their hardware. The MS-DOS controller software is OK, but I replaced it with Mach1 and I think the combo really ROCKS!

See the thread 'homemade router tables' for all the Musical Instrument inlay parts that I have cut on my Liberty 24x21 table. The construction is all aluminum, except a MDF table, with T-track holddown slots. The ball screws are zero backlash and VERY high quality. Nice Vexta motors round out the package. The controller board is in a PC tower case, and works well. The system is a half-stepper and gives me very good resolution for my precision inlay needs. Charles Cooley, the owner of Liberty has always been available to answer questions on the phone for me.

I think Liberty is HEAD and SHOULDERS over the cheapCNC. The spindle is a Porter-Cable laminate trimmer. I put a third-party collet from PreciseCut it to hold PreciseCut's Ultrabit 1/8" shank micro tools, and the combo is a truly precision inlay router for me.

With VectorCAD/CAM I can generate a program that cuts what I want +- .002 without using cutter comp and 'dialing in' the job.

Please ask me anything about Liberty. I would be happy to help and support these machines here. They are THE BEST value for the money and are truly pro-grade hardware.

Here is the thread-
http://cnczone.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145

marvinstov
04-29-2003, 10:43 PM
James,
Thanks for the reply. I am still pondering the purchase. The Liberty caught my eye because it is complete as is the Cheap CNC. My knowledge of CAD software is pretty limited and non existent about CAM and CNC. I never thought there was so much stuff out there to pick from and it has made decision making more difficult. Especially since I understand so little about yet. But I am persistent and will keep studying and researching till I know what I need to get started. It would probably help if I knew exactly what I wanted to do with the machine. Right now I just know I want to try something. I'm sure I'll be asking lots of questions.

Thanks again
Marvin

paulried
04-29-2003, 11:24 PM
Finally someone who knows something on the Liberty! My problem with them has been lack of any technical details. The web site is basically "aren't these routers nice and shiny" with no details. I emailed for details but got no response.

The all metal construction is very attractive VS MDF for sure. Does the price include the router and software? The web site lists the software as extra but is unclear if it is included if you buy a router. What IPM do you get on cut speed?

Any chance of sending some more detailed photo's of it?

marvinstov
04-29-2003, 11:31 PM
I think it comes with router, cables and software but I too would like more info and pictures.

Marvin

cncadmin
04-29-2003, 11:40 PM
I talked to him about the website and he knows the porblems with it. He may be coming here to answer any questions about them. I may be building a web site for him also.

jemmyell
04-30-2003, 09:31 PM
Hi,

To answer a question I missed, the depth under the spindle is about 4 inches. All cables, the controller and the laminate trimmer are included and set up. The MS-DOS controller software is included, but I don't use it because it has limited GCODE support and I prefer ArtSoft's Mach1 on Windows 2000 / XP. The table does about 45 IPM for me with Mach1, up to about 70 IPM with the MS-DOS software. I don't currently run faster than about 8 IPM because the LARGEST router bit I'm using for inlay is .049 and typically .031. I don't like breaking expensive bits.

Here is a picture of the router just out of the shipping crate with trhe crate also.

jemmyell
04-30-2003, 09:33 PM
Here is a picture of the router table in my shop in storage next to my bandsaw. I made the rolling table it's sitting on.

marvinstov
04-30-2003, 10:22 PM
You have it in storage? Are you wanting to sell it??

paulried
04-30-2003, 11:11 PM
Now those are some great pictures. It gives a much better idea of the product. I am impressed with the metal frame.

jemmyell
05-01-2003, 02:15 AM
No, not for sale!

My garage shop is SO crowded that ALL my large power tools are on wheels. My Delta 14" bandsaw, my router table, my CNC lathe (Liberty also) and my CNC router all roll in and out to optimize space and functionality.

jemmyell
05-18-2003, 01:54 AM
Hi,

Here is a picture of a small sign I am working for for my wife, Ana. It is engraved in Brazilian Rosewood. The design was done with Vector CAD / CAM using the engraving fonts that came with Vector. It was cut on my Liberty router table.

cncadmin
05-18-2003, 01:57 AM
Very nice, I spoke to the owner of the Liberty machine, very nice guy. They got hit pretty hard by the storms last week. Guy is going through a tuff time. The machine looks very good, great job on the sign. :)

marvinstov
05-18-2003, 10:34 AM
James,
Looks really nice, how small can you make letters with that software? I realize you would need to use a much smaller cutter, do you have any recommendation about what size to engrave 1/4 inch letters?

Thaks

jemmyell
05-18-2003, 05:04 PM
Hi Marvin,

The key to engraving is preserving the smallest island feature of the font you are using. The prototypes I have cut in hardboard (backer board for my inlay cutting) tend to lose the small internal islands (they break away). Harder materials will work better. The Brazilian Rosewood hasn't been a problem for me yet. Some people use cutters as small as .005. You DO NEED a very precise spindle with VERY low runout to use small bits without breaking them. Also the acceleration on your machine needs to be very moderate. The Porter-Cable laminate trimmer itself has GREAT runout specs (.0002 I believe), but most 1/4" to 1/8" collet adapters are HORRIBLE. PreciseCut sells one that is GREAT and makes my life easy! This collet has a 'captive' feature that makes it release the bits without beating on the router. I LOVE this collet.

agilityrun
09-16-2003, 09:16 PM
Anyone else out there having bought 1 of these machines? I talked to the owner there and they do sound pretty good.210 oz motors(stepper), 1418model w/ 11x14 1/2 usable area,3/4 porta cable trim router, 3/4" x,y,rails, 3/8" z. 30 IPM, .0004 resolution, 6061t-6 aluminum except for table top of mdf w/ t-slots, 1 yr. waranty,assembled,with software. $1995.00

ECRC
09-18-2003, 12:54 AM
I just ordered mine, it should be here in a few weeks. I got mine with one of the Flash cut controlers(for a great price!!!). It also will have the dos controler. $2400 to my door is a no brainer!!! I'll post my thoughts on it as soon as I get it up and running. I'll be running it about 5-6 hours a day, so we'll see how well it holds up.
Cutomer service was great!!!!

Doug

agilityrun
10-04-2003, 07:17 PM
I put mine on order this week also. Warranty and support make it worth it over and again.