hello
Am thinking about buying either the LG 900 or the LC 900 from wklasers.
Has anyone here got one and what was your experience like with them.

Hi Michael,

I have an 80w LC6090 coming from WK Laser. It's sitting in LA waiting for the paperwork to clear so I can get it delivered to me.

Jack Yin and WK Laser have been great to deal with so far.

Regards,
Skip

Hi, skip, many thanks for your commendation..

Hi Skip,

I have communicated with Jack and I think the machines look very good and the price is attractive. We're considering buying one in the not-too-distant future.

I understand that it's a different kind of laser tube that will not last as long as a machine from Epilog or Universal, and we are OK with that.

My questions are...

1) Did the machine arrive OK and work OK when installed?

2) If there are any issues, were they resolved quickly and reasonably?

3) What is the real-world life span of the laser tube? I know they rate them at 1000+ hours, but others have said that the tube will be worn out just from sitting for 3 months.

4) What was the total price you paid, above the cost of the machine for shipping and customs/import duties?

5) Overall how happy are you with the machine and would you buy it again given what you know now?


It appears Jack is trying to break into the market with a good product and if the after-sale service and the product is as good as the before-sale service then we're sold :)

Hi Mike,

Yes, the CO2 tubes used in these lasers are the long glass tubes as opposed to the smaller metal RF tubes used in ULS, Synrad, Epilog, etc. I can't tell you about the longevity because my machine hasn't been delivered yet.

But, I do know that Photovac Laser in Ohio has had good luck refilling expended Chinese tubes. They also add some type of gold compound to the tube to increase its life. They guarantee them for 1 year but said they should last a couple of years. They charge $1200.00 to refurbish one. That sounds expensive unless you go through 3 or 4 imported tubes per year, then it's not too bad of a price.

I'll know more about the machine in a week or so, I hope. I'm also still waiting to hear what the customs fees and taxes are going to be.

Jack Yin at wklaser has been good to work with so far. I think the after sale service will be there too.

Take care,
Skip

Hi Mike,

Yes, the CO2 tubes used in these lasers are the long glass tubes as opposed to the smaller metal RF tubes used in ULS, Synrad, Epilog, etc. I can't tell you about the longevity because my machine hasn't been delivered yet.

But, I do know that Photovac Laser in Ohio has had good luck refilling expended Chinese tubes. They also add some type of gold compound to the tube to increase its life. They guarantee them for 1 year but said they should last a couple of years. They charge $1200.00 to refurbish one. That sounds expensive unless you go through 3 or 4 imported tubes per year, then it's not too bad of a price.

I'll know more about the machine in a week or so, I hope. I'm also still waiting to hear what the customs fees and taxes are going to be.

Jack Yin at wklaser has been good to work with so far. I think the after sale service will be there too.

Take care,
Skip

Good deal Skip, thanks for the info. My purchase timeframe is probably "this year" so I will wait to see how things work out for you before I commit. Please keep us posted!

I dont mind some quirks (I've built CNC machines and I am comfortable tweaking to get them right), just so long as the basic machine is sound and does what it says.

My only concern is the laser tube life. I would not be using it very frequently (maybe once per week for a half day per use). I would not want the tube to be useless after 3-4 months with that light of a use. If the tube life depends on the laser on-time, then I expect I will get a long time out of it. If it depends on the total time including time it's sitting there turned off, then it would be excessively expensive to replace the tube for every 10 times I use the machine :)

hello
Whats the duty and VAT like over wherever you are, robbery here.

CIF to port price + 26% DUTY + 21% VAT = 52.46% in fees

robbery here and I thought the huge charges were only on the Cars here
car+Duty+VRT+VAT

VRT is basically illegal to charge since we joined EU, but goverment pays fines as they are way less than profits made bythe tax.

Irelard is an annoying ripoff to live in. :mad:

hello
Whats the duty and VAT like over wherever you are, robbery here.

CIF to port price + 26% DUTY + 21% VAT = 52.46% in fees

robbery here and I thought the huge charges were only on the Cars here
car+Duty+VRT+VAT

VRT is basically illegal to charge since we joined EU, but goverment pays fines as they are way less than profits made bythe tax.

Irelard is an annoying ripoff to live in. :mad:

Import duty is 26%??? Wow! I have family living in Estonia (part of the EU) and the stuff I send all gets taxed differently. I believe there is no import duty on electronics (I sent a laptop, iPOD and stuff for Christmas with no problem). Clothes get hit with 12% import duty, plus the 21% VAT and you're looking at adding 1/3rd to the cost.

Are you sure its 26% import duty? I'm sorry to hear about the high taxes...

Here in the USA we dont pay sales tax on items we import. Most stuff from China is tax exempt because of the free trade agreements. I purchased some wire in China that was 380kg in weight. I drove to the port to pick it up, went to the customs house and they told me it was from China so no import taxes due. I paid $300 in fees to the import company (documentation fees, customs inspection fees, etc). And I paid $110 to the company that held it in the warehouse for a few days, and I had paid $80 to the shipping company to ship from China to Boston. Thats pretty much independent of weight, so if I bought a $4k laser machine, it would be about the same, maybe $400 in fees to get it.

Still quite high, but a lot less than 56%!

I just got my invoice from the freight forwarder.

Entry: 85.00
Handling Charge: 65.00
Duty: 179.88
Bond Fee: 50.00
Warehouse Fee: 65.00

Total: 444.88

I'm in PA and couldn't get to LA to clear it through customs myself, so they did it for me.

Micheal, what you have to pay, if that's correct, really is robbery. I thought that the USA was the only country that had crooks in government. Silly me... LOL :)

Micheal,

I have you any contacts or relations in the North it maybe cheaper to get it into N. Ireland ??

I am getting conflicting information on how much duty is to be paid and In what way. one says 26+21% as above, others have said 26% is duty and VAT together. Duty thing is bugguing me as we are supposly part of the EU with standard duty rates, not so it seems.

the TARIC description I am using is
8456 Machine tools for working any material by removal of material, by laser or other light or photon beam, ultrasonic, electrodischarge, electrochemical, electron beam, ionic-beam or plasma arc processes
8456 10 Operated by laser or other light or photon beam processes
8456 10 00 10 Machine-tool operating by laser beam, for the cutting of slots on the surface of a cylindrical tube for use in the manufacture of endo-vascular prosthesis (so-called "stents")
- - 8456 10 00 90 Other this one
a machine cutting by laser for other purpose non medical

Third country duty : 4.50 %
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarduty?ProdLine=80&Type=0&Action=1&Lang=EN&SimDate=20070914&YesNo=1&Indent=-1&Flag=1&Test=tarduty&Periodic=0&Download=0&Taric=8456100090&Country=CN%2F0720&Day=14&Month=09&Year=2007

Need to get proper information, will try customs crown direct if they ever reply to email.

northern Ireland is seperate country same as importing to england and the getting hit for VAT twice.

Dear Michael:
LG 900 is CO2 laser engraving machine, it is 60w laser power and better for engraving. It will have a more accurate resolution for engraving.
LC 6090 is CO2 laser cutting machine, it is 80w laser power and better for cutting. The mechanical design is different from LG900. You will have fast speed when cutting.
So you can choose the machine according to the usage of the machine.
Linda
Jinan G.Weike Science&Technology Co.,LTd
wanmeisuccess@hotmail.com

Micheal,
If the duty was cheaper in the north a business friend could import it for you and then sell it to you VAT free if your registered for Vat.............. just an idea.

The rates do differ and if you deal with someone up their it maybe worth enquiring about, as shipping charges are usually cheaper to the UK.

The shipping company/freight forwarders will usually know the import duty as they have to take care of it at point of entry into the state and is added with their other costs.
In the past we have had to pay the Vat & duty when the equipment arrived in Ireland.
Ringing the revenue is hit and miss, one person say one thing and another could be different, depends on their interpretation of the machine. I think going with the shipping company is best as they do this type of thing day in day out.
There is some info on importing at revenue.ie (http://www.revenue.ie/)

Skip,
I'm in PA also and i'm considering getting a LG900 OR LC6090
Would they ship it to NYC or a Phila port?
What was your shipping cost from LA to you in PA?

If you don't mind me asking what type of cutting work are you planning to do with it?

Thanks
A+


"I just got my invoice from the freight forwarder.

Entry: 85.00
Handling Charge: 65.00
Duty: 179.88
Bond Fee: 50.00
Warehouse Fee: 65.00

Total: 444.88

I'm in PA and couldn't get to LA to clear it through customs myself, so they did it for me."

I have also been considering getting one of these. I have been to about 8 manufacturer web sites, I have read about 100 posts here and in other forums. And I was starting to think i had narrowed it down.

I want a machine that i can do engraving on anodized aluminum and cut up to about .375" delrin.

I spoke to Tom from Thelasersedge and he told me I would be better off with 2 lens, one for engraving and one for cutting which made sense to me.
(I would like to buy my machine from him but right now there is a small issue of the rotary attachment style, the honey comb vacuum table, and about $2500 in cost above the others I've gotten quotes from)

I'm having a hard time getting answers from many of the manufacturers.
I would like to have all these features in one package:

A 60 - 80 WATT MACHINE
A ROTARY ATTACHMENT SIMILAR TO A LATHE STYLE
A SPARE 60 OR 80WATT TUBE
A AIR ASSIST COMPRESSOR SYSTEM
A EXHAUST BLOWER SYSTEM
A WATER CHILLER SYSTEM (not just a pail of water)
A MOTORIZED TABLE
A HONEY COMB VACUUM TABLE
A RED DOT POINTER FOR JOB SETUP
A INTERIOR LIGHT
A SPARE FOCUS LENS (one for engraving and one for cutting)
AND A GOOD ESTIMATE OF SHIPPING AND DELIVERY COSTS TO MY SHOP IN PA

Does anyone know if one manufacture can include all these features and give me straight answer on the total costs?

Thanks A+

I have also been considering getting one of these. I have been to about 8 manufacturer web sites, I have read about 100 posts here and in other forums. And I was starting to think i had narrowed it down.

I want a machine that i can do engraving on anodized aluminum and cut up to about .375" delrin.

I spoke to Tom from Thelasersedge and he told me I would be better off with 2 lens, one for engraving and one for cutting which made sense to me.
(I would like to buy my machine from him but right now there is a small issue of the rotary attachment style, the honey comb vacuum table, and about $2500 in cost above the others I've gotten quotes from)

I'm having a hard time getting answers from many of the manufacturers.
I would like to have all these features in one package:

A 60 - 80 WATT MACHINE
A ROTARY ATTACHMENT SIMILAR TO A LATHE STYLE
A SPARE 60 OR 80WATT TUBE
A AIR ASSIST COMPRESSOR SYSTEM
A EXHAUST BLOWER SYSTEM
A WATER CHILLER SYSTEM (not just a pail of water)
A MOTORIZED TABLE
A HONEY COMB VACUUM TABLE
A RED DOT POINTER FOR JOB SETUP
A INTERIOR LIGHT
A SPARE FOCUS LENS (one for engraving and one for cutting)
AND A GOOD ESTIMATE OF SHIPPING AND DELIVERY COSTS TO MY SHOP IN PA

Does anyone know if one manufacture can include all these features and give me straight answer on the total costs?

Thanks A+

A+,
email Jack Yin at wklaser wklaser@yahoo.com He can answer all of your questions. Shipping cost was $600.00 for "to my door" delivery in NW PA.

From LA to Pittsburgh by freight train, then trucked from there.

Skip

WKlaser cost to door is $1200 from china to door postage alone, no customs no vat no FOB price
A forwarder I was talking to wants $7460 and thats without tax, with tax its $9025

WKlaser price of machine+postage is still $1000 odd cheaper than forwarder which I dont get other than forwarder is willing to do customs paperwork. €920 is a big difference

Jack has emailed me and I'm sending my money now for the LG900.
Wish me luck

Thanks
A+

keep us informed on how it goes with the machine.

Jack has emailed me and I'm sending my money now for the LG900.
Wish me luck

Thanks
A+

Hi A+,

Great, we'll be anxious to hear how you like that model.

Take care,
Skip

Have you received your machine yet?
How long did it take to get?
Are you happy with it?
Thanks A+

Have you received your machine yet?
How long did it take to get?
Are you happy with it?
Thanks A+

Hi A+,
It's been about 6 weeks since ordering and I haven't got it yet, but it's getting closer . The first date I got from the freight forwarder was 9/17 to arrive in Pittsburgh, then I received a fax from them yesterday saying the date is now 9/22. Hopefully it's on a train somewhere heading this way.

It looks like it's going to end up at about 7+ weeks from order to delivery. I just hope it's in one piece when it gets here.

Take care,
Skip

I asked him to ship mine to Philadelphia. I'm only 30 miles away so I am going to pick it up when it arrives.
Let us know when it arrives. Good luck

Thanks
A+

I bought and received mine in May and other than some issues with the PCI driver card its been a wonderful machine, IT just works. I have about 200 hrs so far on the tube and it workds like new. Be careful of the chiller... the water container inside appears not to be stainless so mine rusted quite badly within a few weeks of usage. I can still use it but truthfully, the pail of water is easier by a good deal and just as effective. Not as professional looking though.

Thanks
Mike

I bought and received mine in May and other than some issues with the PCI driver card its been a wonderful machine, IT just works. I have about 200 hrs so far on the tube and it workds like new. Be careful of the chiller... the water container inside appears not to be stainless so mine rusted quite badly within a few weeks of usage. I can still use it but truthfully, the pail of water is easier by a good deal and just as effective. Not as professional looking though.

Thanks
Mike
Mike,

Wow,
Thats very good to hear. What model did you get? And how long did it take to arrive?

Thanks
A+

My order was as below, prices were super and Jack Yin was great to deal with. It took about 10 days after I placed the order for the machine to be picked up from WKLasers and shipped. About 1 week in transit and about 10 days fighting with a freight forwarder here in Canada. They were a real pain but one word from Jack and things got better quickly. I bought a bunch of spares which I have not needed but I bet I would have if I hadn't bought them :-)

LC6090 (80w) with 100mm lens installed
- Setup for 110v 60Hz
- The machine should be fitted with all attachments as discussed
Water chiller, stock water pump
air jet around laser head
exhaust pump and all safety interlocks as noted.
water chiller
spare 80W tube
3x Spare mirrors
spare 100mm Lenses
spare Drives

If you have any questions just ask as I found the group here super and I'd liek to return the favor.

My order was as below, prices were super and Jack Yin was great to deal with. It took about 10 days after I placed the order for the machine to be picked up from WKLasers and shipped. About 1 week in transit and about 10 days fighting with a freight forwarder here in Canada. They were a real pain but one word from Jack and things got better quickly. I bought a bunch of spares which I have not needed but I bet I would have if I hadn't bought them :-)

LC6090 (80w) with 100mm lens installed
- Setup for 110v 60Hz
- The machine should be fitted with all attachments as discussed
Water chiller, stock water pump
air jet around laser head
exhaust pump and all safety interlocks as noted.
water chiller
spare 80W tube
3x Spare mirrors
spare 100mm Lenses
spare Drives

If you have any questions just ask as I found the group here super and I'd liek to return the favor.

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the update and the offer to answer questions. I'm sure I'll have a few very soon.

That sucks about your chiller tank rusting. That shouldn't happen. What's up with that Jack Yin?

Skip

jack if you could explain why the chiller is rusting it would be good. upgrading to stainless can't be that expensive if your not using it

I haven't done much more than take it out of the crate and check everything out, but here's my impressions so far.

The crate was excellent and the machine was well packaged. The two (one is a spare) 63" long laser tubes were well packaged and appear intact. Big relief... now if they just work. There appears to be some moisture left in the water jacket of the tubes which I hope is from them being tested for leaks before passing inspection.

The machine itself looks very well constructed. One point of confusion to me though is the rear power connections. There is the main power connection and the 110v cord is supplied for that. It's the same cord as say your PC power cord. Three pronged male plug on one end, and the sort of modified triangle shaped female on the other. Where the female end of the power cord plugs into the laser, it's marked 220v.

Right beside this connection there are 3 other two pronged plugs all marked 220v. The blower, chiller, and air pump are all 110v and have 3 prong plugs.

I also noticed when I opened the side door to look at the electronics and power supply, the PS had oil all over the top of it. It looks like whoever oiled the rails above got a little carried away with the oil and it ran down. No big deal though. I don't think any got into the PS.

I got a happy surprise when I unwrapped the rotary attachment. It's the type with a 3 jaw chuck and a tailstock(see pic) . Very heavy duty and well made. I had thought they only offered the Epilog roller type rotary but I had really wanted this type for what I wanted to do with it. A+ there Jack.

I also got the USB upgrade because of all the horror stories about the PCI cards being touchy. They even included a 128Mb USB thumb drive for file transfers, or you can use the supplied USB cable to go direct from the PC to the laser.

Oh, Flyguy007, the chiller I got is the 3000 series and according to the manual it has a stainless steel tank. Is yours the 3000 series too?

Unfortunately I have work to do for a few days and can't start the setup yet. Bummer...

Hey, does anyone know what the two memory(?) chips are for that are stuck in the styrofoam in the one picture? Nothing in the documentation about them.

Skip

red usb is the soft dog, (dongle??) Software key, should be connected all the time

red usb is the soft dog, (dongle??) Software key, should be connected all the time

Thanks Luis, I guess I should have said that I know what everything pictured is for except the two chips stuck on the styrofoam.

Thanks,
Skip

It sounds very good. I really hope I get the same rotary attachment, its exactly what I wanted for my jobs.
Thanks for keeping us updated and the pics. Let me know what you find out about the electrical connections.
Thanks
A+

Hi Skip,

Two Chips in styroform are sparepart of laser power. I have some questions with your machine.
1) What software does this machine control engrave or cutter?
2) It use DB25-pin of parallel port( your CPU) to control your machine or not? or use PCBA to connect with your CPU.



Cheers,
Samak

Hi Skip,

Two Chips in styroform are sparepart of laser power. I have some questions with your machine.
1) What software does this machine control engrave or cutter?
2) It use DB25-pin of parallel port( your CPU) to control your machine or not? or use PCBA to connect with your CPU.



Cheers,
Samak

Thanks for the info, Samak.

The machine uses a USB interface. Files are created in LaserCut50 (DSP5.1) and transfered to the laser with a USB thumb drive, or you can connect the computer and laser directly with the supplied USB cable to transfer files. Pretty good setup I think.

Skip

I have my machine operational now and I am very happy with it. I did have problems getting the tube to light at first but I finally tried to re-tighten the wire clamping screws on the back of the power supply and that's all it was. They weren't loose really, and I barely got any movement from the screws but after that... success !!!

Here's two pics of the first two things I did with it. The heart design is cut out of Manila folder paper (thanks for the file Luis), and the engraving is done on a piece of cherry wood. The engraving isn't the best, but it's a good start. Maybe a little less power on the next attempt. The bitmap I used wasn't all that high of quality either though.

All in all, I am very pleased with Jack Yin and WKLaser. They make a very good machine and Jack is a man you can trust.

Skip

Congratulations Skip,
That looks great for a 1st attemp. I can't wait until mine gets here.
Keep up the good work.
Art D

Nice work with first attempt, hope mine will be as good.

Why you choose a 100mm Lens over say the 50mm

regarding files any good place to get them without worring about copyrights and such.

Hi Skip,
Glad to hear that you are happy with your model..

By the way, many thanks for your praise..


JackYIn

Nice work with first attempt, hope mine will be as good.

Why you choose a 100mm Lens over say the 50mm

regarding files any good place to get them without worring about copyrights and such.

Hi Micheal,

I couldn't make up my mind on whether to buy a cutting machine or an engraving machine but decided on the 80w 6090. I figured I wanted to cut AND engrave (but mostly cut) and I did order a 50mm lens for it too. I somehow ended up with two 50mm lenses though instead of one of each but Jack is fixing me up with the 100mm.

If you don't already have it, you should get Corel Draw 12. It also comes with a bunch of clipart that you can use. You can also search Google for "free vector clipart" or just "free clip art", you will be surprised what you can find.

Did you order a machine? Are you still going to have to pay those outrageous fees to import one?

Take care,
Skip

Working out final details with forwarders before ordering. Anyone here heard of Five Star Imports www.fsiireland.com or Aquaship Agencies http://www.aquashipagencies.com/. WKlaser says pay them first then forwarder. Forwarder say pay to forwarder and they handle everything including Customs, VAT and delivery to home and paying WKlaser. Which would be handier for me. Its also supposed to be safer.

What you think of the Chuck rotary over a Epilog type roller rotary.

whats the round thing in your photo am I right about switches

Working out final details with forwarders before ordering. Anyone here heard of Five Star Imports www.fsiireland.com or Aquaship Agencies http://www.aquashipagencies.com/. WKlaser says pay them first then forwarder. Forwarder say pay to forwarder and they handle everything including Customs, VAT and delivery to home and paying WKlaser. Which would be handier for me. Its also supposed to be safer.

What you think of the Chuck rotary over a Epilog type roller rotary.

whats the round thing in your photo am I right about switches

That goes in the hole in the laser head and it is slotted to hold a piece of paper behind the wires. It's used for sighting in the beam. It works very well.

Yes, those are spare limit switches.

I prefer the chuck style rotary. I think it's more versatile. It may also be because I worked in a machine shop for almost 24 years and I'm used to chucks and tailstocks, but I don't know.


Skip

What is maximium diameter you can put in the chuck and what lenght can it take. It looks smaller to me than the roller type.

What is maximium diameter you can put in the chuck and what lenght can it take. It looks smaller to me than the roller type.

It can take a 13" long piece. The 3 jaw chuck itself is 3" in diameter and comes with 2 sets of jaws. I am thinking that the jaws are reversible for inside or outside clamping.


I just checked, the quil on the tailstock is about 3 1/4" above the rail it rides on, so you could turn a 6 1/2" diameter piece. Plenty for me. And the other set of jaws in the box are for holding inside diameters if you need to.

Skip

If the piece to be engraved varies in diameter I think the best way is to use the other accesory because it make the advance using the OD. otherwise the chuck will rotate it with no measure.
PS: I' m making a supposition not sure about it... ??

Hey, you may be right Luis. I didn't realize that the roller type rotary has back rollers that are adjustable for height. That way you could make a tapered piece level. That would be handy. Kind of hard to do that with a chuck type.

I guess both types have their advantages and disadvantages.

Well I am ordering the LG900 with rotary attachment and morotized table and spare parts.

Well I am ordering the LG900 with rotary attachment and morotized table and spare parts.

Good for you, Micheal !!!

Glad to hear you are ordering spare parts also. That's the way to do it, order them now so you don't have to wait for replacements if something breaks, which only usually happens if you don't order spares, it seems.

I was concerned about the chuck style rotary that I have, and not being able to engrave/cut tapered pieces in it. But then I realized that I could make a tapered piece level by putting a shim under one end the rotary as needed. I don't know why that wouldn't work.

Keep us posted...

Skip

SkipW
Regarding the connections for power your description earlier sounded like ICE C13 plugs I hope as that should mean the machine has proper earthing. The manuals from the website 2007523143256850.pdf show nasty enearthed 2pin plugs and tell you to connect a 2mm wire to machine to the earth outside. This would mean replacing all plugs and sockets and properly earthing the machine. Been electrocuted once from lousey earth wire dont want it to happen again. How was your machine earthed. bear in mind I have no idea how US plugs are done as ours use the BS 1363 standard, which is very safe.

Hi Micheal,

Here's a pic of the accessory plugs that came on my machine, I think they are the same type you are talking about. This pic is probably from the same .pdf that you mentioned. The 3 plugs on the right were labeled 220v but the air pump, chiller, and exhaust blower are all 110v. I couldn't use those plugs if I wanted to. Our 110v plugs here are mostly 3 pronged plugs. 2 prongs for power and 1 prong for ground

The main power plug on the left does take a 3 prong grounded outlet cord and that's the only one I used. I plugged the other accessories into grounded wall outlets in my shop. I also ran a ground wire from the machine to a grounding rod pounded into the earth outside, instead of just putting the wire into the ground. I don't know if I needed that ground wire or not, but I figured better safe than sorry.

I mentioned to Jack that it would be nice if machines coming to the US had the 3 pronged 110v grounded accessory plugs that we use, and I'm sure they will make that correction in the future. Maybe they already do that and my machine just slipped through the cracks somehow. It's not a big deal for me really though, I just plugged the other stuff into my wall outlets.

Damn, you got electrocuted? Sorry to hear that, but glad you survived to tell about it.

Skip

110Vs is no good to me, so machine better be set for 220V as wanted. all of Europe is 230V by right but Ireland has had 220V and 240V offically at times lack of powerstations means is 220 at best and mostly at 210V which annoys some equipment I have. Will probable have to find a UPS or some thing to protect the laser.
Anyone know how to convert VA to wattage? UPS are graded by VA eg.800VA. Problem is that is not 800Watts. Is there a formula to convert?

The chinese machines normally come with 220V /50HZ the same as in EUrope, Then if you are in the US (60Hz)you get 15% more... what?? One thing you can notice is about the watch in the control pad, it runs faster , if you control it you will find that 15% difference.
Then I think the use of the laser tube at 90% of the power should be good to get its longer life

2 weeks to arrival right between christmass and newyeras so will get machine in new year I suppose. Its so slow.

Now, does anyone know if Photograv will work with these machines and if Photograv uses a dongle/softdog. If the old V2 does not use one I'll buy that instead as I hate the things with a passion.

I believe the one I got only supports CorelDraw and AutoCAD and its own native software. The Corel and AutoCAD versions its supports are ancient, at least a few years old. Corel12 and I am unsure which AC version.

As far as I can tell you cannot use any other software with them as they install proprietary drivers into each piece of software

Thx

Mike

My laser is in the country. Problem now I am having is paying all the charges that were never mentioned in the first place. Running about €712 or $1,020 over quote.
Can anyone explain what a Disbursement is?
Excuses are for lack of explaination is nothing! I am told of charges only when I am sent this Disbursement charge and want to find out what it is now costs are up by €1,000+ with little reason for the hike and I have to pay €30 a day storage charges. Time I find out about charges is day after I was supposed to pay but was never sent and details other then this Disbursement charge. Shipping company is not liked by me now gone from seeming good to ran by idiots.
Can anyone explain what a Disbursement is?

My laser is in the country. Problem now I am having is paying all the charges that were never mentioned in the first place. Running about €712 or $1,020 over quote.
Can anyone explain what a Disbursement is?
Excuses are for lack of explaination is nothing! I am told of charges only when I am sent this Disbursement charge and want to find out what it is now costs are up by €1,000+ with little reason for the hike and I have to pay €30 a day storage charges. Time I find out about charges is day after I was supposed to pay but was never sent and details other then this Disbursement charge. Shipping company is not liked by me now gone from seeming good to ran by idiots.
Can anyone explain what a Disbursement is?

Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vhD&q=define%3A+Disbursement&btnG=Search)
Charges paid by the agent or by the carrier on behalf of the consignee, before dispatch of the cargo.

Would have been nice if they had included that and others in the initial quote in the first place. When all charges and fees add to 63% of machine price its annoying.

Michael,

There are a lot of costs involved in landing a piece of equipment in country (Australia).

I've just purchased a LG900 from WK's but i looked into import duties , GST etc prior to purchase and we end up adding around 15% to the factory cost

Still waiting for the equipment so wont yet say things are rosy but landed price is still exceptionally cheap (if it all works)

Cheers,
Buschy

I Was Overcharged and am getting money back from them which is good.What is not good is the charges that Jack stuck me for Which I have been told I should not have been charged in the firstplace and at a rate that was ripoff. We will see what jack says about this, I paid for FOB i expect FOB.

Michael,

i see you are online at the moment?, i paid CIF for this equipment, but will have to pay GST plus customs brokerage.

CIF Sydney, means all costs paid including freight and insurance to Sydney Port

Customs and tax is not the problem that part of the quote did not change much. The problem was a supposed slip up in who I was and shipping rate. Big problem is jack yin and $417 for a charge I need an explanation for. The shipper said that it was excessive even though it should not have been charged in the first place. I am trying to get an explanation for these charges from jack yin. No reply as of yet.

Delivery guy was a total muppet who cannot drive a truck for the life of him. He left the pallet vat the end of the avenue. I have had bigger trucks come in no problem.

My laser has finally arrived 3mts+ since payment and it’s finally in the shed. Its not staying in the shed as its in the way so Will be moved to a portacabin office I have. Which is going to be a right pain.:(

My mood has improved however despite problems with charges from WKlasers side. Aquaship Agencies who bought it in ripped me off but I am getting some of that back at least. Their driver is still useless him and his diesel leaking truck.

It all appears to be there and despite the unexplained charge WKlaser do a very good job at packing the laser up. It arrived with the box intact except where customs had got to it. Actually survived them better than stuff usually does. Some pieces I have got before had barely the address left of the original packing.

Some minor niggles so far. Rotary appears to be slightly corroded in one part at end, its minor and the rotary is bigger than I will likely need so no biggie.
Mirrors look funny, not reflecting look wrecked perhaps from the wrapping still have to clean and fit to see how they work, Recommendations on cleaning? Their damm heavy as well. Jacks packers are good, one box drove me mental trying to remove it as weight was unequal and not conductive to easy removal. Bit of dismantling and its all ok. Tubes appear to be intact to a cursory onceover.

Hi Michael,
Check to make sure the mirrors are not protected by lacquer. Some are.
If they are, wash them with acetone or alcohol (pure, not guinness!). These are also good for lens and mirror cleaning.
If you leave the coating on, the mirrors can suffer quite quickly because the laser energy is converted to heat at the mirror surface. Possibly cracking the mirror surface.
Use a cotton wool bud dip it in alcohol and 'wash' down the mirror. Let the chemical do the disolving of the debris on the surface. This way you will be less likely to damage the mirror/lens.
Good luck, Neil (for CTRfuture Ltd) www.ctrlasers.co.uk

G'day Michael,

Gad to hear about the state of the packaging, my unit is being shipped in two cases, laser in one, cooler in the other.
I was a bit concerned after reading some previous posts regarding the state the equipment was received.
What is the packaging like for the tubes themselves, you think you were lucky or were they well protected?

I imported Quad bikes from china recently for three of my kids and they were all boxed up really well with steel frames, the dog particuarly likes one as its now her kennell!

anyway, i'll keep an eye out for your posts with the LG900 and how you get on, mine arrives in country on the 4th Feb but unfortunately i'll be back at sea by then (this raises a whole different light on the warranty issue with me as i'll be away for the next few months of its warranty).

Buschy

Cooler was the troublesome box to remove. As it was an unbalanced box and lots of packing. Laser tubes seem to be ok they were tied to the bed with 4-5 cable ties and the boxes themselves are good corrugated cardboard with 5-6 foam pieces tubes in place so seems to be well packed. Roller rotary had some minor corrosion on tail end and screws were missing as well. The adjustable section is very loose with no apparent way of locking it in place. Found a loose screw as well which I have no Idea what its off. Hole in back has me confused as is bigger than exhaust pipe

There is a guy someplace in America who ships tubes (name&location forgotten) the way he packs them he swears by so much he even stood on the packing and no damage. He uses plastic wrap and a expanding foam mix to create a very durable shell around the tube. Can’t find a pic I had of him standing on the box, and tube was perfect. Some Chinese manufacturers from the stories on here could learn from him.

Hi Michael,

Hey, the first one you import is always the hardest. Next time you will know what to do, what to expect, and what it's going to cost. It's been a learning experience, aye?

On your rotary, you've probably already figured this out but that screw you found, it threads down through a hole in the sliding tail stock base to secure it from moving.

The spare mirrors have lacquer or some kind of protective coating on them. I had to soak mine in acetone for 3 or 4 hours just to loosen it. Maybe lacquer thinner would have worked better.

There should be a metal 4" flange that screws over the top hole on the back of the machine to connect your exhaust hose onto.

How far are you going to have to disassemble the machine to get it into the portacabin?

Happy it's here....
Skip

Finally stopped raining as it has been dumping for past week. So took the chance and put my laser in the cabin.

Chuck rotary is of good quality and construction with tight running rails and solid base. Chuck has some surface rust and came with small box with chuck key and 3 jaws all wrapped in oilpaper.

Roller rotary is not very good construction. It is the one the screw came out of. The screw jack contraption is not very stable at all on the base. There are 2 screws holding a piece of metal inside of it and I think they are to make it grip the bar it slides on. 1/8th movement sideways on the thing as the groove ground in it is too wide for the bar and the bit of metal the screws are hold is not wide enough to give good fit. Not good overall, chuck type is much better construction.

Spare mirrors have some coating on them all right and I am getting acetone and Isopropyl alcohol to clean stuff. Mirrors are already installed and very reflective.

Dismantling laser did not happen, Lot of screws holding that cover section down. Also lifting the thing was going to be a pain. So we cut the side of the portcabin under the window and swung it open like a big door. Then used the parts of the crate to make a ramp and roadway to get it up into the cabin. The thing is Massive!

Exhaust box is 6 inchs diameter and so is plain hole in back with the blower being only 4 inches will have to find a reducer or make something to allow connection to blower. Will have to seal it all over.

Cooler had loose nut and washer hoping about the place from the heat exchanger part.

Tubes had water in them so tested no sign of water in inner tube. Connection on tube are so small and fiddly.


Laser is in the cabin, tubes in just got to buy some distilled water someplace and then fire it up tommorow. :) and then I found my work computer is stone dead.:(

Pics
Exhaust holes inside of laser
Small ugly cabin, I anint no bigshot
Blower plate anyone understand?

Michael,

By the sounds of it seems things are not too bad.

Re the Blower,

Model 150FLJ7
Supply 220V
Frequency 50Hz
Power 320W
Fan Speed 2800revs/min
Supply Capacitor(?) 5mic / 500V should be fitted on the elctric motor itself
connection diagram with the three small circles, the two on the left with the squigle is for you Active / Neutral (i'm not sure of your terminology over there,
could be L,N etc)
The "B" is most likely Class B definition for the motor which refers to its class
of insulation in this case 130deg Cels

Any doubts, i'd get someone you trust with a squigly background to connect it for you but make sure you get the whole unit Earthed correctly.

Best of Luck

Photo

Back of machine in manual 4" connections(a LG500 perhaps)
Back of my machine LG900 6" hole connection on inside" no flange

Exhaust box inside has 6" diameter hole facing the inside of the machine as above and a single plain 6" hole in the back. There are no flanges or screw holes on that hole.

The water system has got me thinking again.
They supply you with a aquarium pump and its shoved in a bucket of water. I have the cooler unit 3000 model. When I opened it to take out the loose nut and washer I noticed it had what I take to be a pump. Not to my knowledge you can’t connect a pump to line with a pump so Do I need the aquarium pump all.

The water alarm connection on the back of the cooler anyone knows how to wire that to the laser it self.

One quick thing my machine with crocodile clips for connection, these worry me. How good a connection or more accurately how safe is this type of connection for the high voltages. Most tubes I read about prior were soldered and I assumed this would be the case. I am happy enough not to be soldering to short connections in glass but clips being loose worry me.

The video is not much help and manual is confusing.

Whats the auto.exe on the USB stick for as my antivirus flashed a warning and deleted it.
The Win32/Pipown!generic was detected in I:\AUTO.EXE. Machine: COMPUTERNAME, User: COMPUTERNAME\Micheal Donnellan. File Status: Deleted

Found out
Win32/Pipown!generic info
http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/virusinfo/virus.aspx?id=64861

Jack yin badly needs to use a antivirus on his system

No, you don't need that other aquarium pump if you are using the 3000 series chiller, keep it for a backup, and the water alarm connection isn't used on our machines.

My LC6090 may be setup a little different, or they might have changed their design a little, but looking at the rear of my machine I have the bottom 6" hole just like yours, then a little above that there is another 6" hole and there were 4 pre-drilled holes around it where the 4" reducer / flange bolted on for attaching the vac hose. Just like the above left picture showing the blue hose attached to the back.

The crocodile clips... are you sure they aren't alligator clips? Sorry, couldn't resist. Those work great !!! Mine have a fairly strong spring and they haven't moved since I put them on.

I'm shocked that there was a worm installed on the usb stick. Glad you caught it. I know that a few months ago I had emailed Jack and he had just finished up dealing with a virus on his pc. He wasn't very happy.

Man, what a project getting that thing moved into it's new home.

Skip

I am up and running now, still more to do with exhaust system as is annoying. I think machine should come with warning to wear ear protection. It get loud with everything on.

Who ever wired the blower motor should be shot, The earth was wired to a capacitor!
Earth wire to laser power box was not connected at all.

Also Limit switches don't work and Magnetic safety switch does not work at all. Keeps laser on when laser is fired and door lifted.

Have jerry rigged an exhaust system as cannot get the 6" connections I need and no one seems to have heard of a 6" to 4" reducer. Acrylic don't half smel,l don't it. Smoke is not clearing proper fast from the machine. possibly due to shear size of the machine area.

Eye protection would help for messing with tile and the odd hard stuff. I got my welder hood on so could see what was going on, like look at a welding arc.

red dot is a rip, I had assumed it was inline rather that stuck to side of lens holder

Michael,

Sounds like things are going fairly well for you. I don't have my 6090 yet but it's in the works. I'm expecting an experience much like the Sieg mill I have; needs some tweaking out of the box but is a heck of a value once you get it all done. Seems like a lot of the disappointment / frustration people have with these Chinese machines stems from their expectations being too high.

Hope everything works out for you.

I got a chinese vinyl cutter from a uk distributor. The electrical safety and software was ok at least on that even if I had to rethread the odd hole that got powder coated. I did not set expectations too high just to average. Its kinda a basic thing to expect the safety part to work at least.
Lasercut 50 is a pain to work with. Vinyl software was practicaly complete package in comparison. Lasercut needs a overhaul and Manual really needs a total rewrite by someone fluent in english, can't cost more than few hundred to get it proofed and corrected.

Rotarys work but I am obvisly messing up some place as a 100mm x 33mm bmp came out as a 56mm x 33mm image on a 56mm Diameter bottle.

Its 3.14*56=176
then put that in Move: section of the Pulse Unit Calculation box.
Have I messed up?