You may be aware that here in England they have introduced a smoking ban in all public places (specificaly pubs).

Well, I was in a pub yesterday and was smoking outside in the beer garden and was pleased to be nice and warm due to the 10 (yes ten) electric radiator heaters (like the ones you get in bathrooms) that were strategicaly placed around the tables OUTSIDE).

These were noted to be operated by individual switches ("these heaters are for your convenience, please use as required") and are generaly ON from 11:30 am to 11:30 pm.

So I went to another pub (such is my dedication to research) and noted that they had 4 of them big calor gas heaters with the big reflectors at the top). Continualy on.

I was getting a bit concerned that my switching over from normal light bulbs to those crappy enery saving ones might be, well a drop in the ocean, so decided (in the interests of scientific research, of course) to visit a few more pubs.

One more had the gas patio heaters and the 4th one I staggered into (sorry, investigated) had the outdoor electrical heaters and a big screen outside!

Unfortunately, my research was terminated at this point cos Man City were playing Man U on the (outside) telly.

Nice to know that the tree huggers to advocate banning smoking cos it polutes their clothes/ lungs have caused a prospective huge increase in wasted energy heating patios and pub gardens.

I want a research grant from Greenpeace to wander round pubs and collect data on this terribly worrying phenomenon- 3 years should do it (might need an assistant- my girlfriend qualifies...). Thanks.

***end of grumbly old man rant***

LOL... I hear you man...

Have they though of the TAXES that they're going to loss from basically outlawing smoking? I think that in the US it will be billions of $'s.

My question is when I quit smoking is there anyone who "WANTS" to cover the part I was paying for smoking, $2 per pack in taxes?

superb, love your thinking there m8
suppose if you can get a grant to invertigate the effects of milk on cornflakes
then who knows ,its a big trough get yer nose in

mike

if the granting includes free beer and smokes i'd like to volunteer and help the cause

i'm sure those gas heaters don t have near the effect our old pit parties had , the fire couldn t get big enough yet it was too hot to get close enough to add more wood, tires etc what ever burned
ah good times

I have to respect your dedication to thoroughly researching the topic, I think more research is required though, possibly by all of us, though I think that even though it is winter here (well nearing the end), living in a wet tropical region, I'm not too sure about how many heaters I will find.

But we must check :D

Russell.

Aha! Epineh, I see you have the true spirit and cohesive arguementative skills needed by our fledgling organisation.

Along with our appointed board of directors, Pointclod, Dertsap and Mike Jeffers (oh and all your significant others for tax purposes) we should be able to lobby congress, the UN, Oxfam and Greenpeace, and any other tree hugger organisation for what I (as chief scaremonger) propose to be the sole saviour of the planet- the "Dynamic Reduction In Nasty Karcinogens" or DRINK.

We shall boycot non DRINK organisations (or get others to do it actualy while we rigorously research DRINK) We shall agressively advocate having as much DRINK as physicaly possible and on as much occasions as budgetary constraints allow (we can overun on budget- sod it, all govts do it, we would be considered irresponsible if we didn't).

I propose we be based in the Congo so that we receive Third World Aid and get a superflous set of sychophantic psychologists to promote our cause along with Sachi and Sachi (phew, ran out os s's).

I'm taking spread betting on how long it takes 'till I get either a) arrested or b) a Peerage :)

Well the tree huggers in this country have already participated in DRINK programs of their own, and are fully supportive of smoking in general, so much in fact they like to grow their own "special" low greenhouse brand - Green Under Nourished Jamacian Apple... or GUNJA for short. :rainfro:

I'n not too sure if that translates for you but there you go :)

As a non smoker it seems a little weird jumping on this bandwagon, but for the sake of balance I will do what I can...for balance.

Now to go research...never said I was a non-DRINKer !

Russell.

...I'm taking spread betting on how long it takes 'till I get either a) arrested or b) a Peerage :)

The Pee rage will probably occur very quickly.

LMAO @ Pee Rage.

A doctor mate of mine told me how this happens... apparently you have chemical inhibitors in your bladder that block the "brain! need to pee" message until it's sort of full. However, upon drinking lots of beer you flush these inhibitors out and so... once you go for the first pee, you inevitably have to go every ten mins or so (I swear that's what he said).

As an aside.. I just found out that here, in the UK, the Govt is actualy employing people to check whether pubs are complying with the ban- secretly.

Can you just see the Job Description?

WANTED:
Male/ Female over 18 to wander about pubs and drink lots of beer. Dress code essential- must be scruffy and carrying copy of the Sun newspaper with betting slips sticking out of back pocket. Swearing and cursing at the recent footbal results is a must for this highly sought after position. Transport will be provided in the form of taxis everywhere (London pizza and kebab allowance applies). Priority will be given to candidates who can demonstrate the ability to chat up barmaids and complain about their girlfriend/ wife. Linguistic ability to talk pish a distinct advantage.

*falls off his lab chair* lol

LMAO @ Pee Rage.

A doctor mate of mine told me how this happens... apparently you have chemical inhibitors in your bladder that block the "brain! need to pee" message until it's sort of full. However, upon drinking lots of beer you flush these inhibitors out and so...

I believe that. After all when you are drinking pretty much all the inhibitors for anything are flushed out.

Green Under Nourished Jamacian Apple... or GUNJA for short

Russel, good on you m8! Here in NZ we call it a "west coast crop". It's part of the government's program to promote self sustainable farming methods...... It's a real imaginative effort from government's side but it's the farming communities that pushes the bounderaries of imaginative capatilism, "high flying" etc, etc. They even caused job creation for the police! To such an extent that the law enforcement segment are helping to set alight (from time to time) this unique sector of agriculture......

Electric radiator heaters in the middle of summer? Am I missing something?

Electric radiator heaters in the middle of summer? Am I missing something?

Yer the rain, wind and low temperatures :violin:

John

The poster is from the UK. Its pretty cold and miserable there most of the time, since there is precious little to break the airflow from the cold atlantic year round.

But lets get this straight: Banning smoking is about giving non smokers choices. Spend a few nights in French or German restaurants and see how you like the stench of cigarette smoke on your clothes. It comes as a shock to most americans who have become accustomed to clean air no matter where they go. The worst part about the 2 countries mentioned is that (particularly in small towns) there are no options in winter. You either go hungry and freeze or endure the acrid atmosphere in the smokey hollows so that you can get something to eat.

Since tobacco is a plant, I think burning it is CO2 neutral, but then if one has to get into all the addictive (and toxic) substances added by the cigarette companies it is a different story completely.

Electric radiator heaters in the middle of summer? Am I missing something?

So THIS is how the rest of the world thinks.. I was wondering what you guys thought caused the green house effect... And here all this time I thought it was "us" in the US!

But lets get this straight: Banning smoking is about giving non smokers choices.

Not so sure about the use of the word choices Keith - banning smoking is about giving non smokers what they wanted. Choice is either for everyone or it isn't choice - it's dictat.

Choice would have allowed for smoking clubs/pubs/restaurants and non-smoking clubs/pubs/restaurants.

On a more cheery note: A friend's (20 year old non-smoking) daughter says she preffered it in night clubs when they smelled of smoke - now she reckons they just smell of stale sweat and f*rt.:)

......Choice would have allowed for smoking clubs/pubs/restaurants and non-smoking clubs/pubs/restaurants......

Yes the health freaks and social manipulators overlook that in a truly free society this would be the correct way to go.

Yes the health freaks and social manipulators overlook that in a truly free society this would be the correct way to go.

Dear Geof,

Those people do not want a free society. They want a society where they can boss people about as much as possible. The more rules the better, as far as they are concerned.

Incidentally, the government's argument for the smoking ban was that it was necessary to protect non-smokers from the "harm" of passive smoking, not to protect their feelings. I believe that the largest study on PS looked at the health of families of heavy smokers and could find no evidence that the non-smoking family members were harmed. Naturally, any scientific evidence disputing PS was ridiculed.

Sound familiar???

Best wishes

Martin

its a self rightious kick
smoking crack is becoming more acceptable because crack heads are sick due to their "addictive personalities " ,
smokers are dirt in these freaks eyes yet most smokers try to be courtious toward non smokers , who is the one who is ignorant ?

the biggest pile of crap here in canada is the fact the non smoking lobbiests claim that the health system suffers due to the fact smokers will eventually need treatment for cancer , stroke etc , one pak of smokes costs 9 dollars , about 6-7 dollars is tax which goes straight to the government approx $2300/year tax every smoker who smokes a pack a day pays in tax , compare this contribution to an rsp , i would say the contribution the smoker makes far exceeds the hospital care needed to treat people plus the fact we have to contribute toward our medical to begin with

we had smokes being smuggled into the country because the prices are to high , when it was put across to the government that it was necessary to drop the price of smokes in order to discontiue the illegal trade , their answer was if they dropped the price they would loose too much revenue ,
they didnt say anything about health , it was and is about the money

Here in Toronto smoking in the workplace is a 5,000 dollar fine for the smoker and up to 20,000for the employer.A truck driver smoking is considersd smoking in the workplace.Outside bars or coffee shops,smoking is not allowed under umbrellas.85 year olds have to have their Tim Hortons and smokes outside in the Freezing Canadian winter.Being a heavy smoker myself,I semi agree with the bans,but we should have a choice;smoking or non smoking places.If we all quit where will our goverments get the 6or7bucks a pack tax?Toilet paper?
I can't afford 6or7 bucks a po.Better continue smoking.
Smokers are not a burden on the health system,as we die much sooner than non smokers.
Larry

If we all quit where will our goverments get the 6or7bucks a pack tax?Toilet paper?

Larry

Dear Larry,

Hush! You will give them ideas. Toilet paper is made from trees. Chopping down trees bad for planet. Toilet paper tax will save planet.

Believe me, any tax can be given a green slant.

Best wishes

Martin

Personally I think people should mind their own business. Smoking is bad, but if someone chooses to do it, that is their problem.

No Smoking in Public places is fine with me because that means I spend less money on Restaurants / Bars and more on other things LOL.:D Which also means less taxes on purchased items like Gas, Alcohol, and basic Sales. Go figure, they lose more $$$ in the long run. Wow Gov't are really SMART!!!!

Why is it that todays people can't just say "To each His/Her Own" and go on with their own lives, because they do not have one of their own.;)


Cheers!!!!!:)

Why is it that todays people can't just say "To each His/Her Own" and go on with their own lives, because they do not have one of their own.;)


Cheers!!!!!:)

thats exactly it

what happened to accepting what other people do
i am sick of everyone crying and screaming for their rights , they are there just do it ,and leave me the @#%@ alone

what would happen if i started a heterosexual blue collar divorced smoking white male pride day march ,
there would not be a single name in the book that i wouldn t be called , i would be attacked by every lobby group going ,probably killed .and why because i accept others (to an extent) for who they are but still take pride in who i am in this world

thats exactly it

what happened to accepting what other people do
i am sick of everyone crying and screaming for their rights , they are there just do it ,and leave me the @#%@ alone

what would happen if i started a heterosexual blue collar divorced smoking white male pride day march ,
there would not be a single name in the book that i wouldn t be called , i would be attacked by every lobby group going ,probably killed .and why because i accept others (to an extent) for who they are but still take pride in who i am in this world

This is True. We are all individuals but we must respect each other. I would say that Morals today have gotten "Flushed Down the Toilet".:mad:

This is an argument with no ending. People who smoke in bars/pubs want to keep it that way and people who frequent bars/pubs who don't smoke like that luxury as well. I don't smoke and its disgusting when you leave the bar and thats all you can smell on your clothes. No amount of cologne/perfume can take that **** smell out. On the other hand, it should be up to the owner of the place to allow smoking or not. I like when people smoke. Smoke 10 packs a day for all I care. Smoking is great on population control. Over 5 million die from smoking every year was the 2003 statistic. Puff your lungs out, literally.

Smoking is great on population control. .

so are guns !

i don t see a point of being ignorant about it
bars can easily be equipt to have a smoking area that is well ventilated as not to affect nonsmokers but they have not been given that option to keep both patrons happy

instead now we have to sit in a bar and smell the stink of your cheap cologne

.....instead now we have to sit in a bar and smell the stink of your cheap cologne

Is expensive cologne okay? :D

Is expensive cologne okay? :D

maybe if it smells like smoke

Is expensive cologne okay? :D

Dear Geof,

The last time a plague of contagion descended on England was about 1666.

Various steps were taken by the citizens of London to ward off the evil pestilence.

Gentlemen strode the streets firing pistols in every direction in order that the gunpowder smoke might protect them.

Others walked the pavements, sniffing deeply, at heavily spiced oranges called "nosegays" .

There really is no progress....

Best wishes

Martin

Lorks!

1665 not 1666.

Apologies to all.

Best wishes,

Martin

interesting that so far no non-smoker has mentioned passive smoking in their posts (the supposed actual reason for the ban) - it's all been about smelly clothes and such.

Hey Martin,glad to see you get around too.I have been "stuck in Epoxy Granite " time for a smoke breather.
Picture an underground Jazz pub with no smoke...no more Jazz venues here.Pool hall+no smoke=closed.Small local pubs are closing for lack of business.I guess the majority of smokers are drinkers also.As others have have posted,why do we not have a choice?Me mom is 86,non smoker,against smoking but says about the bans,"Are we communists?No you can smoke in russia.
Dumoria Jazz festival no more as adverts from cigarette companys is ilegal.
Got petrol to-day,$.97/litre/canadian.Got a bottled water,1.69/litre.Thank god My truck runs on gass not H2O.
Larry

It looks to me as if our choices are being taken away. It looks like Democracy is taking a dive and a Dictatorship is taking over.

What are your thoughts????

BTW: I'd rather be a Smoker and Drink on Occasion than be put on one of those Prescription Drugs that cause more side effects and problems than they are worth, LOL.

"Live and Let Live";)

It looks to me as if our choices are being taken away. It looks like Democracy is taking a dive and a Dictatorship is taking over.

What are your thoughts????

BTW: I'd rather be a Smoker and Drink on Occasion than be put on one of those Prescription Drugs that cause more side effects and problems than they are worth, LOL.

"Live and Let Live";)
I am sure you wouldn't call it dictatorship if smoking was considered a drug and the government banned it right? Oops! it is a drug. Its a mild drug, but its still a drug.