Hi guys,

I wanted to know what you guys would quote me if you guys would make it. I would purchase it from http://www.preac.com/drill_press_accessories.htm but I want to see what you guys can quote me at.

The more simple, the better. All I want is X,Y travel and something to clamp down the work piece. This works nice too: http://www.westerntool.com/product.htm?pid=426305 . I like this one a lot because it's very simply but it's a little high. I don't machine a lot but sometimes, I'd like to do. Thankx

Design & build 1 Preac "type" unit $5,600.
Design & build 1 Bitmoore "type" unit $4,200.

DareBee has it about right.

Its reasons like this the HF exists. Although I don't think I would buy something like that form HF. Just check out some of you local tool stores, someone is bound to have one.

Now if you wanted t make a couple of hundred of these, someone on this board could probably compete price wise with the links you gave.

JP

DareBee has it about right.....
Now if you wanted t make a couple of hundred of these, someone on this board could probably compete price wise with the links you gave.

JP

I suspect you would have to throw in one more zero onto the quantity before coming close to the price in the links; maybe even two.

Yeah I suppose so, with all of those little parts and what not plus having to get castings made.

He would be far better off to just buy a Bridgeport with the table already built in. ;)

JP
(woohoo 300 posts, what do I win :D )

Itwanabe,
I'm sending you a bill for $20 just for looking at it :D

(LOL) that's some crazy money! I guess I'll buy the stuff @ the first link. No big deal. Thanks guys. Now what does "HF" mean?

HF = Harbor Freight. Be careful, though. You get what you pay for.

The table you listed from Western looks very nice, BTW.

Scott

(LOL) that's some crazy money! ....

Sure is. Those guys are crazy saying they could do it that cheap; I would have charged double :D

JP - I would make it out of billet (not cast) for a 1-off.
I am probably on the low side for the one with the rotary.

Re: the off-the-shelf price.
- $80 ot to cover my admin costs to order material, issue POs & create an invoice. That leaves me about 10 minutes to design and build the cheap unit.

Creating a design that is worthy of my standards and then making manufacturing prints is half the cost.
I also didn't allow for any "incidentals" or warranty in my pricing.

Live and learn.

JP - I would make it out of billet (not cast) for a 1-off.

Oh crap, billet, that doubles the cost right there!!!

JP

Oh crap, billet, that doubles the cost right there!!!

JP

No, no. :) Billet means you can double the price because of the mystique of saying it was made from billet material. Price is what you charge the customer. But making it from billet rather than cast on a one-oof probably means it will cost you less. Your profit is the difference between price and cost; just make sure you get them in the correct order if you want to stay in business.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining benefits of billet for 1-offs Geof. Although we both know JP is joshin. I hope.

Wanabe
KBC Tools has a Palmgren unit on sale this month.

Thats what I meant!!

JP

....Although we both know JP is joshin. I hope.....


You never know with these wet-behind-the-ears youngsters :D :D .

Heah now!!!

JP

i wondered why you asked the question, figured you either wanted a quality one rather than HF, or you haven't cut much metal.....but now that we're using billet, I realize my mistake. The whole hot rod, rc car & chopper market will be beating a path and will pay double of whatever it costs to have it made out of bar stock, be it AL or Durabar so long as you call it billet. :D

Incidentally, if your goal is milling in the drill press, do some searches here or other metal forums and read up - understand the challenges before spending your money.

Look out !!!!!!!!!! the Nemesis of all billet users has arrived. :D :D :D

I have to agree with Mcgyver.
I don't understand "wow factor" stigma with the word "billet".
IMO it is retarded - oooooo it was machined from a solid block, BFD
It helps double some companies profits though, doesn't it.

Don't call me a billet nemesis Geof - that is 99.9% of what I use.

I have to agree with Mcgyver.
I don't understand "wow factor" stigma with the word "billet".
IMO it is retarded - oooooo it was machined from a solid block, BFD
It helps double some companies profits though, doesn't it.

Don't call me a billet nemesis Geof - that is 99.9% of what I use.

My "nemesis" comment was aimed at Mcgyver :) .

I don't understand it either but the level of intelligence demonstrated by believers in the billet mystique is about the same as the people who look at my products and say; "your company makes that?????". Depending on my mood I may answer that we find the parts beneath magic Oak trees in the Black Forest and the freight from Bavaria kills us. This normally earns me dirty looks.

Another mystique is Serial Numbers, as in "Wow you keep serial numbers for all your parts?". I met a guy one time who made footpegs for custom bikes who was able to more than double his price when he started engraving serial numbers on the parts. He never kept any records just engraved numbers.

By the way everything we make is from 'billet' material aka round bar or custom extrusion.

The Billet Nemesis aka the Billet Spoiler goes one step further......it's not billet! Bar stock,extrusions yes, but billet just refers to a shape various alloys are formed into for storage, transportation and ultimately loading into an extruder. I suppose it is possible if someone needed a very large block of AL, they could purchase an actual billet, but i'd guess 99.9% of what is called billet is not.

sloppy nomenclature does not ruin my day, heck i'm probably the worst offender (I still call my dial calipers verniers). Why the billet nomenclature irks is because it perpetuates the error of the uniformed; ie hearing billet all the time reinforces those characters who get all excited about something made of billet but have not use for your part made of 6061. :D (I know Darebee this isn't you and your'e using it to mean from the solid)

i hope the smilies indicate I'm not loosing any sleep about this, but that's why i made the crack off. :)

I might receive it on a truck as bar stock or custom extrusion but it came from a billet that went into the extruder. When it was in the billet shape it was billet aluminum and when it is in the extruded form it is still billet aluminum now in a different shape :D :D .

But we had better be careful otherwise AMCJeepcj will come on the scene using long words that none of us have ever seen before :) .

LOL

Oh man - this is too much fun

billet's only the shape right so how could it still be billet? it also came from bauxite but you don't still call it that now do you? :D :D hey wait minute, a whole new marketing angle..... tell them its made outa bauxite. should be at twice as special as billet. :D

I'm not going to argue anymore. you guys are smarter than I. Friday afternoon. gotta be 5 O'clock somewhere?

My new specialty will be products machined from ingot.

Please email me your prints and purchase orders for immediate service.

billet's only the shape right so how could it still be billet? it also came from bauxite but you don't still call it that now do you? :D :D hey wait minute, a whole new marketing angle..... tell them its made outa bauxite. should be at twice as special as billet. :D

I'm not going to argue anymore. you guys are smarter than I. Friday afternoon. gotta be 5 O'clock somewhere?

Who's arguing? We are having fun...and being pedantic. Bauxite to Aluminum is a chemical change; it is not the same compound. Big fat short chunk of aluminum going to long skinny chunk of aluminum is merely a physical change.

And on the smartness front there is numerical evidence available on CNCzone that the ratio is about four to one in your favor. Much to my chagrin.:)

Who's arguing? We are having fun...and being pedantic.

yeah, i know, thats the problem with typing, what you say is only 10% of communication. got a big grin going. gotta get back to the bauxite chip set fan holder i'm making today. the computer mod guys 'll go ape $hit :D

Yup, you guys are having too too much fun=)