DC, You have unearthed evidence that voluntarily draws a direct link between liberals, socialists and Democrats!

Do you know how valuable that is?!!

Yes, and the tell-tale rainbow scarf says it all! Most certainly Anti-Bush is a misnomer! ;):D:D:rainfro:

DC

OK, I think I finally get it! All we need is a little vegetable garden to grow artichokes,...etc, etc, etc, ..Mariss

Mariss stop it!! Please!! You are making me feel inferior. I could never come up with a comparable response.

Mind you I do have the acre or more, 1.53 to be exact so if I deduct the area needed for the house, driveway and a bit of a yard to sit and drink beer in (that is if I can find any) I should be able to fuel my Land Rover (if I had a Land Rover) to be able to drive to work (just over 1-1/2 miles away) and still have a bit left over for taking a road trip for a vacation.

P.S. The artichokes I find attractive; pickled along with some nice Brie and a cool, but not too cool, bottle of Shiraz.

Dear Donna,

People seem to be bit over-excited in the USA at the moment, what with the election and all. A lot of wild and ungenerous opinions being thrown about . Still, the same is going on Kenya... another ex-colony of England going through a process of political "choice".

Best wishes,

Martin

....People seem to be bit over-excited in the USA at the moment.....the same is going on Kenya... another ex-colony of England going through a process of political "choice".....Martin

And I thought I was capable of injudicious comment.!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

I recognise a master. (And where is the emoticon which depicts me taking my hat off to you?)

Yup! That Martin is a real firebrand, but we love the flavor he brings to this pot.
If you all think that this is a bit over-excited, wait till you start taking things away from all these "spoiled brat" Americans.

The kids down in the "barrio" will fillet the likes of Donna and feed her to the rats. Taking away their tortillas and Chevy Vans...............ummmmmmmmm. NOT me!

DC,

I try to see things as they are. The great movement that shaped the 20th century was a power grab over the individual by the collective. The "collective" went by many names; the communists were the most honest because they laid their goals out in the open regarding the subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the masses (their word). Mainline Socialists were a little more circumspect but still transparent to close inspection regarding the unpleasant consequences to an individual.

The fall of world communism coincided with the rise of the green movement. This is not surprising if you see it as the former morphing into the latter. One just simply changed names. The goal has remained the same though, extinguishing and eliminating individualism in human beings. Let's call the current movement liberalism in it's present form and manifistation.

Why is it liberals fear and hate individualism? It is because these are the people least susceptible to being controlled and for that they are loose cannons. These people think and they mock and they are free. Remember, it's a power grab and those grabbing power don't want any resistance. There is a twisted aspect to humanity that causes some to want domination over human beings. Where this comes from I don't know except to say it's universal to those that get into the position to have power over others. Hitler did, Stalin did, Pol Pot did, Hillary does and liberals in general certainly do.

One can argue that civilization depends on collective cooperation and action while individualists are destructive because they are loners and therefor unreliable and dangerous. The problem with that argument is nothing creative ever comes from the collective, after all they are gentle sheep going with the program. Maddening to collectivists is fresh ideas only flow from individualists; Newton, Copernicus, Einstein, etc.

So how does the modern movement work? It preys on the superstitions and fears of the average person. This is far more sophisticated than the old communist method of intimidation. People by nature worry; let's give them something to worry about. Take your pick:

Global Warming: The earth is going to melt into a lava pool because of what you are doing!

Environment: You are screwing up the entire world because of what you are doing! Cute little animals are dying because of you!

Greed: Do you realize people are starving elsewhere while you are eating yourself silly? It's wrong you have so much while others have so little!

The first part is to make you feel guilty about living your life as you see fit. The second part is to offer you a way to wash your sins away once you buy into the first part. This is the clever part; it offers something you can do personally; recycle your beer bottles, drive a Prius, use CFL light bulbs in your house. Now you have done something to atone for your sins. That makes you a believer and buys you equity into something you never consciously purchased . Clever indeed.

It's all about power. It's all about having you bend and submitting to someone else's power. It's about turning you into sheep. Do you notice the solution to correcting what's purportedly wrong is money, specifically your money. Carbon offsets, tax incentives for alternate energy sources, recycling fees. Your money and your bondage.

The people over you are no more special than you are. They hold no special power or knowledge over you. You were born as a free and individual human being. Do not give away what you were were born with. That is what I believe in.

What shapes us now is the current century. The powers that want to extinguish individualism are just as strong as they were in the last cruel century. The glove is velvet now and the user promises to leave no bruises. The marks it leaves though are just as livid no matter how gently applied.

Modern liberalism has it's roots embedded in communistic idealism. It is what they believe in when the day is done. They cannot wash their hands of it no matter how hard they try. They spat on the returning soldiers from Vietnam and they still call president Bush an idiot today. It's a little like being in the Mafia but saying your hands are clean because you didn't go with the whole program.

Mariss

.... recycle your beer bottles, drive a Prius, use CFL light bulbs in your house. Now you have done something to atone for your sins. That makes you a believer and buys you equity into something you never consciously purchased . Clever indeed.....

So where do I fit? I don't drive a Prius but I do recycle beer bottles...I have to, I would be buried in them if I didn't. And there are three incandescent bulbs in my house and workshop out of a total of around fifty or so; all the rest are compact fluorescent. And, obviously, I prefer beer over wine so I cannot be a liberal. Oh dear, I don't fit anywhere.

Hallelujah Mariss,

There is someone who knows what I know! You have an ability and the courage to say it here where I would fear being misunderstood.

Of course, you know that Donna and ilk won't even look at those words. Like Dracula shrinking from a cross. She will launch into a volley of crap like a broadside from USS Missouri.

Hats off to you, sir and many cheers. Any THINKING person will see and recognize the truth!

So where do I fit? I don't drive a Prius but I do recycle beer bottles...I have to, I would be buried in them if I didn't. And there are three incandescent bulbs in my house and workshop out of a total of around fifty or so; all the rest are compact fluorescent. And, obviously, I prefer beer over wine so I cannot be a liberal. Oh dear, I don't fit anywhere.

Relax Geof, we can care about our environment and still have both eyes open.

Besides, there is something to be said for not fitting in. Called rugged individualism!

Geof,

What you have there is a real quandry. I hope you find some way to clear it and center yourself again.:-) By the way, white or red? If red, Cabernet Sauvignon by any chance? Reserve preferably. My poison of choice.

Mariss

Mariss your points got me to thinking a bit.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it all boil down to realism vs. idealism?

Socialism is a wonderful ideal, however it has always seemed to end up as a reactionary system that becomes more about saving the privileges for the elite, correct thinking, people that deem themselves as more important than the rest of society and thus spirals downward into decay and decadence. As as been pointed out in this forum the green movement's poster people are very much do as I say not as I do. I'm already very grateful not to get the amount of government that I am currently paying for, the thought of adding more layers of taxation and bureaucracy on top of that is honestly frighting to me. The idealist thinks that society will benefit from more regulation, but IMO the real results are other than.

Conservatives on the other hand are now embracing wise use policies, recycling, replanting, etc while still trying to make progress. Politics aside, a hard thing to do as this has become more a political issue than an environmental one, the average "rich fat cat" that is so hated by the liberals is looking into increasing his profit by conserving more and recycling his wastes as much as is reasonable possible. Doesn't this create jobs and protect the environment? Engineers and architects design recycling plants, construction crews build them, equipment manufactures tool them and local people staff them, just a single example. Isn't this more of a bonus to society as a whole than trying to use imagined taxes to fund more bureaucracy that, and let's be honest, tends to end up being more a empire building and money taking game than a positive impact on society?

Major corporations are paving the way on efficient buildings that utilize features, just to name a few, such as on site gray water recycling, solar lighting and heating, energy efficient lighting; air conditioning even geo-thermal air conditioning utilizing temperature differentials between ground and air. These are all suppose to be good stewardship practices, lessening their footprint as the term is now, that equal a monetary savings for the company aside from carbon offsets. One of the reasons, btw, that I am for a market driven approach on the energy cost crisis. And lets be even more honest, the only energy crisis we face in the western world is one of cost, not through scarcity but mostly through profiteering. All these technological wonders took a wage earner to think up, R&D, prototype, test, produce, market, install and operate. The only extra tax is the taxes on earnings created by realistic thinking and implementation.

I see this as a hopeless issue. It will never be "resolved" until the idealist and politicians take their hands off of it, which will never happen so ipso facto... Why some people think the upcoming US elections will help the situation is beyond me. When you get down to it you can have a rich "oil barren" like Bush in office, or an equally rich "ivory tower elitist" in office, the results will continue to be the rich getting richer and the wage earner working hard to keep from back sliding.

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jhowelb ,

Xyzmodanna and I come from different places. I have said I never expect to change anyone's mind with anything I write. She (he, she, it; you never know) says she expects to change people's minds. I hope she is young because then the arrogance that goes with saying that is only marginally excusable because it is an excess of youth. If it's otherwise, I despair for her.

Mariss

jhowelb ,

Xyzmodanna and I come from different places. I have said I never expect to change anyone's mind with anything I write. She (he, she, it; you never know) says she expects to change people's minds. I hope she is young because then the arrogance that goes with saying that is only marginally excusable because it is an excess of youth. If it's otherwise, I despair for her.

Mariss


Hammer on the nail head again, and BTW we have another eloquently spoken thinker aboard!

There may be more of us who think this way than I ever realized. You guys are making an old mans heart sing with hope for the country!

I'm flabbergasted again!

Trust me, this is not just the election period attitude Martin.

We deal with these ungenerous assaults non-stop from the left on the majority of every media option available all year round. There is no need to handle this user with kid gloves. My guess is they must have testicles or they used to and would have no other reason for being here this long.

I come around here from time to time just to learn a bit from other contributors that have a better grasp on the latest GW tidbits. What I found is more of the same crap over an over again as ungenerous opinion counter to my beliefs and what I see as character assasinations in droves against what I hold dear. My poignant sarcasms are meant to evoke some sense of self reflection that everyones $h1t stinks. Constant harping between me good and you bad, then the begrudged asks for return to non-political areas of discussion then starts bash away again. Pardon me for defending the integrity of conservatives labeled by our liberal mindset multi forked tounge arrogance of xyzmedusa. Don't take me any more serious than I take myself. Opinion never hurt anyone I am told. If that were the case then the American left would have no reason to live. Tearing the legs off spiders gets old, they need fresh prey.

If I cross the line, I am man enough to take responsibilty for it and I'll stand toe to toe while doing it. Those are the risks we take for being allowed to express opinions here. When I tire of the bickering or get invited to leave via the majority, I'll mosey on out of here.

I am not so bull headed to think my ideology inside of this discussion is without fault. That at least makes me equal to the zxyMedusa rather than me taking some self inflated role of Perseus. Legend has it, seeing that face could turn you into a stoner......er was that just stoned? Maybe we should ask spouse?

DC







Dear Donna,

People seem to be bit over-excited in the USA at the moment, what with the election and all. A lot of wild and ungenerous opinions being thrown about . Still, the same is going on Kenya... another ex-colony of England going through a process of political "choice".

Best wishes,

Martin

DC,

If you leave, I will miss you friend.

Well, Donna, there isn't an idiot on the planet that has less that double your IQ numbers.

Taxes never bennifitted an economy any more than tape worms and leaches assisted one with malnutrition.

We sure as hell don't need your kind of leadership leading us into utter ruination. Nevel Chamberlain had better leader qualities.

BTW, just what have you ever accomplished aside from sitting on your fat A%& and take what ever hubby handed you? You gotta be a welfare queen of some sort cause you sure don't understand the real world.

Hi jhowelb,
Spouse and I had a sign company for about 15 years, I did the graphic design. We sold it not too long ago.
xyzdonna

Uh, yes I did read what you said. I responded, did I not? Can you comprehend the lack of logic toward neutral? Ridiculous as it sounds, it don't work like you expect it now does it? Once exhaust is in the atmosphere, it is in the water, the land and everywhere. Not just some planted or seeded acre in the open. No consumption collects 100% of some other output. At least I am fairly certain that is what the fallacy of reaching unity in physics has taught us.

You are becoming a political hack gasbag. If you want to think of it on those terms, it is not political leadership you desire. It's called a dictatorship. So what, now you view dissent of this new dictatorial leadership not within my rights? It's all a one-way street with you liberals isn't it!

I didn't use the word idiot, that is your claim. There is plenty of idiocy on both sides. I'm just saying his speechwriters made him much brighter and honorable than his promises that got him elected. Kind of like making Hillary out to look like a kind hearted lady with respectable family values. Obama, I kind of like what I see on the surface, but he is too party line which goes against my moral personal beliefs and core conservative principles.

His brother.... give me a break. That conspiracy is tantamount to 9/11 being an inside job Rosie. Maybe we should blame it on the liberal courts and we both take a pass? I can only imagine what the left would state in response if the tables were turned and we were the whiner/loser.

Get a load of these hags that fit into your gas bag ideology!:D

DC

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Hi One of many,
My kind of ladies.
xyzdonna

Um,
THOSE "ladies" seem to prefer other "ladies".

OK, I think I finally get it! All we need is a little vegetable garden to grow artichokes, an algae-filled swimming pool right next to some solar powered pathway lights. We wire up the solar lights to our house wiring, sell the excess power on the grid, make thousands of gallons of bio-diesel for the F-350 from the pool algae and more thousands of gallons of artichoke ethanol for the old family Prius (or do we hook that up to the pathway lights?). The cornucopia of excess we sell at a gas station we put up on the front lawn. We all retire as millionaires from the profits!

Xyzmadonna, I gotta hand it to you! You have finally converted me. How could I have been so stupid? All these wonderful ideas, developed by dedicated wire-rimmed glasses wearing, NPR listening, pony-tailed vegan scientists just lying around and all of us just too uneducated to see the green Nirvana or being offered. With those kind of spectacular yields there is probably even enough room in the garden for a Cannabis plant or two (medicinal purposes only).

Gosh; all this time we've been burning all that nasty coal and oil when the very answer has been right under our nose! We have even toyed with nuclear power as an answer. How dumb we have been! You are a saint and a missionary; you have cast light into the shadows of my dark world and now I can finally see. Just a little garden, a slimed pool and some pathway lights. What an epiphany!

Mariss

That's funny Mariss,
No, I'm afraid I'll never be able to convince you or Geof. The only thing to do is let it happen and then ya'll can see the results. Time will tell. I'm just pointing out that if they could develop cheap, efficient photobioreactors the current yields of about 5,000 gal/acre/year start to make sense. Especially if you're driving a vehicle that gets 50 mpg. Multiply 50 x 5,000 to get 250,000 miles/acre. One acre could provide 1 vehicle about 20 years of driving. The numbers are there. It's just going to take a little engineering.
xyzdonna

Shotout,

An excellent and well thought-out reply. You start out with idealism vs. realism. Idealism is something all well-meaning people start out with. Stalin for example was enrolled as a monk in a monastery as a youth. Realism is what you is you develop after you no longer are a child.

Realism is what forms your life after you discover what you thought was life doesn't match your early expectations. Different people deal with that realization in different ways. We all know how Stalin dealt with it:-)

For normal people the dissonance is handled by retaining the original innate a sense of what is right but have balanced and protected it against those who would take advantage of it. Idealists keep their hearts purer than cynics.

Socialism and communism have always flown into the face of human nature. Communism sprung from a Utopian vision of humanity that simply does not exist. That it lasted 70 years is a testimony to that vision, wrong as it may be. It and socialism believed that human nature is to serve other people. They were wrong because that is not our nature as human beings.

As human beings our nature is to serve ourselves first. Any system of governance that believes otherwise quickly degenerates into corruption. The why is very simple. Socialism and Communism expects people to be what they are not. Once you are in power having sold the theory, you are beholden to it. The only way you can prop it up is to degenerate into wholesale intimidation and corruption because the theory itself cannot hold. The consequence is moral rot. That is what happened to the Soviet Union from Lenin to Gorbachev and the 30 million souls murdered between those two fine bookends.

Modern liberalism has its roots sunk into that same blood-stained earth and it draws its sustenance from it. Of course it hates "fat cats" and the like. Socialism is all about hating those who achieve. It is envy of the worst kind which does not strive to emulate the successful but rather wishes to bring them down. It cannot allow someone who strives and works and sacrifices to achieve. Socialists and Liberals cannot allow that. They believe everyone is cog wheel in the machinery of their Utopian machine. Individuals, the ones that are creative and work their rear ends off do not fit in their perfect worker's world.

What we have here is a struggle. Are you an ant or bee that will be drawn into the socialist liberal wet-dream of a perfect hive or anthill or will you remain free the way you were born? For me, the decision I made was long ago. I am an individual, I am not like anyone else, I will not submit myself to to the cookie cutter people.:-)

Mariss

You aren't really named Donna are you? Your really named Dorothy and you are freshly back from Oz, admit it!

Schezzzz...ya gotta be smokin bad stuff.

Xyzmodonna,

Sure, OK... Yawn. I'm sure you are right. Yawn.. I'll make sure I'm here to see the golden age you promise.. Yawn,.. Artichokes right? I just want to know I got that right before I nod off. Algae, artichokes,.. algae, artichokes,.. OK, I'm asleep now...

Hey, Wow! I just snapped awake. Hey xyzdonna. How did you wind up on this forum? May I assume you have an intense interest in CNC machines? I'm just guessing from your "xyz" prefix. XYZ, the 3 ordinal axis. I bet that is what made you come here. Can you please share with us your CNC interests? There must be more to you than "Bush is an idiot" and "loser Hillary for Prez". Come on, this is a CNC forum, tell us what machine you have, what you do, what your experiences are regarding CNC. I'd love to hear from someone who is savy enough to comment on my work. Come on, XYZ (may I call you that?) tell us what you are doing, CNC-wise. Eager to hear!!

Mariss

Mariss

DC,

I try to see things as they are. The great movement that shaped the 20th century was a power grab over the individual by the collective. The "collective" went by many names; the communists were the most honest because they laid their goals out in the open regarding the subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the masses (their word). Mainline Socialists were a little more circumspect but still transparent to close inspection regarding the unpleasant consequences to an individual.

The fall of world communism coincided with the rise of the green movement. This is not surprising if you see it as the former morphing into the latter. One just simply changed names. The goal has remained the same though, extinguishing and eliminating individualism in human beings. Let's call the current movement liberalism in it's present form and manifistation.

Why is it liberals fear and hate individualism? It is because these are the people least susceptible to being controlled and for that they are loose cannons. These people think and they mock and they are free. Remember, it's a power grab and those grabbing power don't want any resistance. There is a twisted aspect to humanity that causes some to want domination over human beings. Where this comes from I don't know except to say it's universal to those that get into the position to have power over others. Hitler did, Stalin did, Pol Pot did, Hillary does and liberals in general certainly do.

One can argue that civilization depends on collective cooperation and action while individualists are destructive because they are loners and therefor unreliable and dangerous. The problem with that argument is nothing creative ever comes from the collective, after all they are gentle sheep going with the program. Maddening to collectivists is fresh ideas only flow from individualists; Newton, Copernicus, Einstein, etc.

So how does the modern movement work? It preys on the superstitions and fears of the average person. This is far more sophisticated than the old communist method of intimidation. People by nature worry; let's give them something to worry about. Take your pick:

Global Warming: The earth is going to melt into a lava pool because of what you are doing!

Environment: You are screwing up the entire world because of what you are doing! Cute little animals are dying because of you!

Greed: Do you realize people are starving elsewhere while you are eating yourself silly? It's wrong you have so much while others have so little!

The first part is to make you feel guilty about living your life as you see fit. The second part is to offer you a way to wash your sins away once you buy into the first part. This is the clever part; it offers something you can do personally; recycle your beer bottles, drive a Prius, use CFL light bulbs in your house. Now you have done something to atone for your sins. That makes you a believer and buys you equity into something you never consciously purchased . Clever indeed.

It's all about power. It's all about having you bend and submitting to someone else's power. It's about turning you into sheep. Do you notice the solution to correcting what's purportedly wrong is money, specifically your money. Carbon offsets, tax incentives for alternate energy sources, recycling fees. Your money and your bondage.

The people over you are no more special than you are. They hold no special power or knowledge over you. You were born as a free and individual human being. Do not give away what you were were born with. That is what I believe in.

What shapes us now is the current century. The powers that want to extinguish individualism are just as strong as they were in the last cruel century. The glove is velvet now and the user promises to leave no bruises. The marks it leaves though are just as livid no matter how gently applied.

Modern liberalism has it's roots embedded in communistic idealism. It is what they believe in when the day is done. They cannot wash their hands of it no matter how hard they try. They spat on the returning soldiers from Vietnam and they still call president Bush an idiot today. It's a little like being in the Mafia but saying your hands are clean because you didn't go with the whole program.

Mariss

Hi Mariss,
Very eloquent statement of your conservative beliefs, but unfortunately eloquence doesn't equal reality. I'll just use myself as an example, I suppose I can't speak for all liberals.

Mariss: I try to see things as they are. The great movement that shaped the 20th century was a power grab over the individual by the collective. The "collective" went by many names; the communists were the most honest because they laid their goals out in the open regarding the subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the masses (their word). Mainline Socialists were a little more circumspect but still transparent to close inspection regarding the unpleasant consequences to an individual.

The fall of world communism coincided with the rise of the green movement. This is not surprising if you see it as the former morphing into the latter. One just simply changed names. The goal has remained the same though, extinguishing and eliminating individualism in human beings. Let's call the current movement liberalism in it's present form and manifistation.

Me: Quite a stretch don't you think, that liberalism is just replacement for failed communism? I as a liberal have no desire to subjugate the individual, to enslave the masses with my agenda. We're in a different time now though. The planet is getting hotter, we're reaching the end point of what this planet can sustain population wise. Should it be that global warming is proven wrong, you're still going to have the population time bomb to contend with. The days of cowboy conservatism are over, we have no right do as we please and trash the planet, we have future generations to thing about. The way we will work ourselves out of this mess is for enlightened individuals, who lucidly see things as they are, to develop solutions.

Mariss: Why is it liberals fear and hate individualism? It is because these are the people least susceptible to being controlled and for that they are loose cannons. These people think and they mock and they are free. Remember, it's a power grab and those grabbing power don't want any resistance. There is a twisted aspect to humanity that causes some to want domination over human beings. Where this comes from I don't know except to say it's universal to those that get into the position to have power over others. Hitler did, Stalin did, Pol Pot did, Hillary does and liberals in general certainly do.

Me: Actually, I exalt individualism. I applaud the inventor, engineer, scientist who invents something or makes things happen. These things will occur in a liberal run society as well. Yes we had some defining social experiments in the last century and more will come in this century as well. Communism failed for the most part, although I'm sure some elements of it were successful. But don't read into that statement a proof of your point that communism morphed into liberalism. You have to have political leaders, and these leaders must have a vision for where we are going and what it takes to get there. Otherwise you end up where we are now. In a morass in Iraq, the economy is about to tank due to massive deficit spending, the value of the dollar down by about a third, all as a result of your conservative leadership. We spend more for health care than any nation on earth and yet millions aren't covered. In fact, many can't even purchase health care at any price. These are facts I mention, not philosophical ponderings about liberalism rising from the ashes of communism.

Mariss:One can argue that civilization depends on collective cooperation and action while individualists are destructive because they are loners and therefor unreliable and dangerous. The problem with that argument is nothing creative ever comes from the collective, after all they are gentle sheep going with the program. Maddening to collectivists is fresh ideas only flow from individualists; Newton, Copernicus, Einstein, etc.

So how does the modern movement work? It preys on the superstitions and fears of the average person. This is far more sophisticated than the old communist method of intimidation. People by nature worry; let's give them something to worry about. Take your pick:
Global Warming: The earth is going to melt into a lava pool because of what you are doing!

Environment: You are screwing up the entire world because of what you are doing! Cute little animals are dying because of you!

Greed: Do you realize people are starving elsewhere while you are eating yourself silly? It's wrong you have so much while others have so little!

Me: Let's analyze this argument because I think it gets to the crux of the matter. The oldest trick in the book is to come up with a bogey man to rouse the rabble and then fleece them. Did you see the musical "The Music Man"? "We got trouble in river city, gotta get those kids out of the pool halls, let them play trombones". He was a good trombone salesman alright.
For my part I don't think it's our job to help some developing nation that is overpopulating itself and starving as a result. The environment, that's another matter. That is a real problem and conservatives are in denial. Every single conservative on this list is dead set against any limitations that will help the environment. It's rather like a strange religion that won't accept any conditions because it's a limit to individuality. Therefore they deny the problem exists so as not face these limitations. The problems are there, they are real, and they aren't going away unless we make them go away. I think this is more of a psychological problem with conservatives, they really don't want to "know the truth". Just like the developing nation that is overpopulating and starving, the US is polluting the environment far out of proportion to any other nation on earth. It must stop. Anyone who can't see this is deliberately (subconsciously perhaps) hiding from reality.

Mariss:Modern liberalism has it's roots embedded in communistic idealism. It is what they believe in when the day is done. They cannot wash their hands of it no matter how hard they try. They spat on the returning soldiers from Vietnam and they still call president Bush an idiot today. It's a little like being in the Mafia but saying your hands are clean because you didn't go with the whole program.

Me: I never spat on or showed disrespect for any soldier. It was never their fault, it was their leaders. But me calling Bush an idiot is only a polite term for what I really feel about his proactive stupidity and incompetence! But again, your effort to equate liberalism with failed communism is completely off the mark. We've been in business, self-employed for years, perfectly happy capitalists. It's just that I don't have blinders on, I'm not fabricating a world that doesn't exist like my right wing Christian conservative friends do. They ride around with bumper stickers that say their SUV will be unmanned during the rapture. Non religious conservatives like yourself are doing the same thing. Fabricating a make believe world that you would like to have so as not to have to face the reality of what is. You must come to realize that this may be more of a psychological problem than a political one.

xyzdonna

Xyzmodonna,

Sure, OK... Yawn. I'm sure you are right. Yawn.. I'll make sure I'm here to see the golden age you promise.. Yawn,.. Artichokes right? I just want to know I got that right before I nod off. Algae, artichokes,.. algae, artichokes,.. OK, I'm asleep now...

Hey, Wow! I just snapped awake. Hey xyzdonna. How did you wind up on this forum? May I assume you have an intense interest in CNC machines? I'm just guessing from your "xyz" prefix. XYZ, the 3 ordinal axis. I bet that is what made you come here. Can you please share with us your CNC interests? There must be more to you than "Bush is an idiot" and "loser Hillary for Prez". Come on, this is a CNC forum, tell us what machine you have, what you do, what your experiences are regarding CNC. I'd love to hear from someone who is savy enough to comment on my work. Come on, XYZ (may I call you that?) tell us what you are doing, CNC-wise. Eager to hear!!

Mariss

Mariss

Hi Mariss,
It's 5:00 AM here, dark and cold! But you asked so I'll post a photo or two to the list. It's funny, I never thought about xyz as being the three axis for a CNC machine till you mentioned it. Must of been a subliminal thing. Actually though spouse tried to get me into computers so he originally set up our email address using my name, well of course Donna was taken at bellsouth.net so he picked xdonna. For some reason I used xyzdonna in posting to this list but I swear I didn't relate it to CNC till you mentioned it for the first time. Truthfully, I'm not all that into CNC, spouse is and he's going to be posting to other sections of this site when he gets back to work on it. He gets amused at all the trouble I stir up in this section though. I'll send a couple of photos up in a couple of hours, I think you'll be surprised.
xyzdonna

Why bother? How does personal appearance factor into things? I have no fascination nor interest in your appearance. It's only your thoughts and integrity as a person that matters.

By the way, I'm a very distinguished looking guy, handsome as hell, 6'3", 200 lbs, green eyes,... :-)

Mariss

Why bother? How does personal appearance factor into things? I have no fascination nor interest in your appearance. It's only your thoughts and integrity as a person that matters.

By the way, I'm a very distinguished looking guy, handsome as hell, 6'3", 200 lbs, green eyes,... :-)

Mariss

Mariss,
I wasn't going to post a photo of me. Just the machines.
xyzdonna

Warning: The author used to be a speech writer for the current US president, you may get contaminated if you read this article.


http://www.financialpost.com/small_business/Story.html?id=213875

Hallelujah Mariss,

There is someone who knows what I know! You have an ability and the courage to say it here where I would fear being misunderstood.

Of course, you know that Donna and ilk won't even look at those words. Like Dracula shrinking from a cross. She will launch into a volley of crap like a broadside from USS Missouri.

Hats off to you, sir and many cheers. Any THINKING person will see and recognize the truth!


Exactly what she did.


Truthfully, I'm not all that into CNC............

The TRUTH, or part of it!

I'll send a couple of photos up in a couple of hours,

This means that she has to have time to search the web for pics we aren't likely to recognize or as least can't readily prove phony!

Donna, you don't cause any trouble here! You give yourself too much credit for success. All you do here is make a lot of noise and allow us to see exactly what kind of nitwit we're dealing with.

Interesting article. Be it noted that the author is a "fellow" with the AEI (American Enterprise Institute)

"AEI's purposes are to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism--limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate." "Its research agenda is determined by its president in consultation with its trustees, scholars and fellows, and academic advisers; the substance and conclusions of its research and publications are determined by the individuals conducting the research."

A quick glance at the list of trustees there shows a lot of big business executives including one from Exon Mobil. I wonder where their intrests truly lay.

Steve

....A quick glance at the list of trustees there shows a lot of big business executives including one from Exon Mobil. I wonder where their intrests truly lay.

Steve


I warned you, you might get contaminated.

One of my "spy's" in Donna's neighborhood caught "spouse" decorating the garage!
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Exactly what she did.



The TRUTH, or part of it!



This means that she has to have time to search the web for pics we aren't likely to recognize or as least can't readily prove phony!

Donna, you don't cause any trouble here! You give yourself too much credit for success. All you do here is make a lot of noise and allow us to see exactly what kind of nitwit we're dealing with.

Hi jhowelb,
The photos I'll send are legitimate. The two router tables we have are ours. One was purchased from a sign company that couldn't get it up and running. We have gotten it running and cutting. The other is a big monster we have under construction.
xyzdonna
PS: had a problem with downloading, rechargeable batteries went down during the down load. They are recharging now and I should have them up by tonight. Then I'll post the pix and anything else you want me to post that proves they are our machines at our shop.

Routers for a sign business you no longer have!
Right!
And we will know that the really do belong to you.......exactly how?
The problem you now find yourself facing is "credibility". Once you've been proven a liar it is very hard to convince any one of any thing.
(Nixon, Klinton, "runaway" bride..........)

DC,

I try to see things as they are.

We all try. Nearly the exact terms XYZ used. You two related somehow, you wanna share with the rest of the group?:D


IMHO only God can see things the way they are. Man only sees things the way they are presented and even then the limitations are sheltered by margins of narrow paradigm, including portions of culture and local exposures we are drawn into. Man also has the innate ability of deceiving himself. IN other words, I don't trust my own understanding, but I trust others even less until they have proven otherwise.

Take this quote posted via the user XYZ:


You have to have political leaders, and these leaders must have a vision for where we are going and what it takes to get there. Otherwise you end up where we are now. In a morass in Iraq, the economy is about to tank due to massive deficit spending, the value of the dollar down by about a third, all as a result of your conservative leadership. We spend more for health care than any nation on earth and yet millions aren't covered. In fact, many can't even purchase health care at any price. These are facts I mention, not philosophical ponderings about liberalism rising from the ashes of communism.

Leaders are used as a plural here. They rarely work together in the interests of the people. These are law makers with agenda's and power to place limitations and financial burdens on their own people now and far into the future. All while they work for or against you, butting heads trying to get things their way at our expense. I have read they get this same huge salary for the rest of their lives on retirement? Notice that and their pay raises not put to a vote of the people! No wonder they have no motivation to worry about funding SS any time soon. Same for Teacher audits. The public never gets to grade their pay performance or these numbskulls would be more broke than we are.

What is it going to take to cover millions more on the doll? More burdens and lower quality services spread thinner? Look at the quality of so many of the government run health centers now. The average American wouldn't even want to be treated there. What caliber of Physicians will elect to enter into this typical cut rate socialist system?

The absurdity is that many can't get care at any price......even when its free someone is paying the price. No, these aren't out of the ashes of communism alone, they rise form socialism, progressivism and Marxism as burdens from the treasury and the bare minimum return on your dollar investment. These charges never go away and they never go down. Although the bureaucracy levels expand to regulate wages and coverage service to the lowest institutional order of business. Those wages do not always draw the best and the brightest. Look at any federal government service, the civil employment process, the military and Intelligence sectors budget crunches and not one brass tack to pin accountability across the board.

Add this with purposed GW taxes and I'll be lucky to keep 30-40% of what I earn just to survive. That makes for a compelling argument to sit on my fat backside and collect 100% with no effort at all.

If and/or when a Democrat gets into office, them same complainers now will be running to defend their own idiocy then. It's only the king pin at the top that changes chairs. The rest of the system remains just corrupt and ineffective as usual. Of course the main stream media will make the mad dash for power grabs, firings and dismissals look seamless if it is their team that wins. Once again we will witness the giddy screw you smiles, to the losers. Just another circle jerk with a different pivot man and plans for your obviously excess money you must find ways to live without. Even if it is by gunpoint or imprisonment.

Be on your lookout, it may be HI-HILLARY or an Obama-nation!:p

DC

Look at the quality of so many of the government run health centers now. The average American wouldn't even want to be treated there. What caliber of Physicians will elect to enter into this typical cut rate socialist system?

Veterans Administration health care for me would be a snap to get. If I didn't mind waiting 3 to 5 months for an appointment just to see a Dr. I'll pay my own way, thank you very much and if I can do it any schlub can. Set your priorities! Hilliary-care by any other name still stinks!!

Add this with purposed GW taxes and I'll be lucky to keep 30-40% of what I earn just to survive. That makes for a compelling argument to sit on my fat backside and collect 100% with no effort at all.

My Great Grandfather several times removed, (a Bradford involved in the first colony on the continent) discovered after nearly starving in the first winter that socialism alway has this result. Why work when the milk is free? Our representative republic is now beginning to fail because great portions of society have discovered that they can vote themselves a raise at the expense of "the wealthiest Americans"!

Great points, both of them!

One of my "spy's" in Donna's neighborhood caught "spouse" decorating the garage!
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Hi jhowelb,
You're pretty good with Photoshop.
xyzdonna

Routers for a sign business you no longer have!
Right!
And we will know that the really do belong to you.......exactly how?
The problem you now find yourself facing is "credibility". Once you've been proven a liar it is very hard to convince any one of any thing.
(Nixon, Klinton, "runaway" bride..........)

We sold the sign business. The routers are for a cutting service we plan to set up. Cutting letters for other sign companies and such. We were already doing this before we sold the sign business so we have several customers already.
xyzdonna

Good at Photoshop?
Gracious me! I'm just a 66yo slack jawed stupid no talent conservative who should be grateful for your most learned "leadership"!

Veterans Administration health care for me would be a snap to get. If I didn't mind waiting 3 to 5 months for an appointment just to see a Dr. I'll pay my own way, thank you very much and if I can do it any schlub can. Set your priorities! Hilliary-care by any other name still stinks!!



My Great Grandfather several times removed, (a Bradford involved in the first colony on the continent) discovered after nearly starving in the first winter that socialism alway has this result. Why work when the milk is free? Our representative republic is now beginning to fail because great portions of society have discovered that they can vote themselves a raise at the expense of "the wealthiest Americans"!

Great points, both of them!

Hi jhowelb,
Let me tell you a true story about a friend of mine, a veteran who had smoked all his life and had PAD. I don't know the genesis of your infirmity and I won't ask, it's none of my business. But he didn't have the money and so he had to go to the VA for help. Peripheral arterial disease is a pernicious affliction that gives great pain and can be fatal. The blood flow to the extremities is much reduced and makes walking or standing hard. Diabetics and smokers are the usual victims of this disease. My friend told the doctor that he couldn't quit smoking. The surgeon then laid it on the line, either my friend quit smoking or he wouldn't perform the surgery. He quit and got the surgery and is now better, not well but better. The VA has good doctors who care, for you to assume otherwise is simplistic at best.
xyzdonna

The VA has GOOD doctors? At the reduced rate of pay the attract the drugs of the med. class. They get the same money for treating one or a hundred people. Efficiency is at the same level you can see at DMV or SS Admin. or Welfare or any other gubment office.

You aint been there, you have no concept of what the hell your talking about. I HAVE been thru their grist mill and amongst other things experienced the hell of having one wisdom tooth extracted there. NEVER again! The other three were relatively pain free simply because the dentist CARED about what he was doing.

Here is a challenge for you xyz, go to one of those VA hospitals during visiting hours and start asking the patients if they would like to visit. Guaranteed they will, probably the first visit many will have. Ask how things are going and above all, NOTICE the smell!

Your gonna be shocked! Again your mouth leads the way without a braincell one firing!

The funeral was today. Didn't hear of any problems.
But the bikers were there in case!

We all try. Nearly the exact terms XYZ used. You two related somehow, you wanna share with the rest of the group?:D


IMHO only God can see things the way they are. Man only sees things the way they are presented and even then the limitations are sheltered by margins of narrow paradigm, including portions of culture and local exposures we are drawn into. Man also has the innate ability of deceiving himself. IN other words, I don't trust my own understanding, but I trust others even less until they have proven otherwise.

Take this quote posted via the user XYZ:


You have to have political leaders, and these leaders must have a vision for where we are going and what it takes to get there. Otherwise you end up where we are now. In a morass in Iraq, the economy is about to tank due to massive deficit spending, the value of the dollar down by about a third, all as a result of your conservative leadership. We spend more for health care than any nation on earth and yet millions aren't covered. In fact, many can't even purchase health care at any price. These are facts I mention, not philosophical ponderings about liberalism rising from the ashes of communism.

Leaders are used as a plural here. They rarely work together in the interests of the people. These are law makers with agenda's and power to place limitations and financial burdens on their own people now and far into the future. All while they work for or against you, butting heads trying to get things their way at our expense. I have read they get this same huge salary for the rest of their lives on retirement? Notice that and their pay raises not put to a vote of the people! No wonder they have no motivation to worry about funding SS any time soon. Same for Teacher audits. The public never gets to grade their pay performance or these numbskulls would be more broke than we are.

What is it going to take to cover millions more on the doll? More burdens and lower quality services spread thinner? Look at the quality of so many of the government run health centers now. The average American wouldn't even want to be treated there. What caliber of Physicians will elect to enter into this typical cut rate socialist system?

The absurdity is that many can't get care at any price......even when its free someone is paying the price. No, these aren't out of the ashes of communism alone, they rise form socialism, progressivism and Marxism as burdens from the treasury and the bare minimum return on your dollar investment. These charges never go away and they never go down. Although the bureaucracy levels expand to regulate wages and coverage service to the lowest institutional order of business. Those wages do not always draw the best and the brightest. Look at any federal government service, the civil employment process, the military and Intelligence sectors budget crunches and not one brass tack to pin accountability across the board.

Add this with purposed GW taxes and I'll be lucky to keep 30-40% of what I earn just to survive. That makes for a compelling argument to sit on my fat backside and collect 100% with no effort at all.

If and/or when a Democrat gets into office, them same complainers now will be running to defend their own idiocy then. It's only the king pin at the top that changes chairs. The rest of the system remains just corrupt and ineffective as usual. Of course the main stream media will make the mad dash for power grabs, firings and dismissals look seamless if it is their team that wins. Once again we will witness the giddy screw you smiles, to the losers. Just another circle jerk with a different pivot man and plans for your obviously excess money you must find ways to live without. Even if it is by gunpoint or imprisonment.

Be on your lookout, it may be HI-HILLARY or an Obama-nation!:p

DC

Hi One of many,
One of many: We all try. Nearly the exact terms XYZ used. You two related somehow, you wanna share with the rest of the group?:D


IMHO only God can see things the way they are. Man only sees things the way they are presented and even then the limitations are sheltered by margins of narrow paradigm, including portions of culture and local exposures we are drawn into. Man also has the innate ability of deceiving himself. IN other words, I don't trust my own understanding, but I trust others even less until they have proven otherwise.

Me: Isn't that the truth. Man is good at deceiving himself, it takes a woman to see things clearly. LOL But seriously, I agree with some of what you say.
But you know, I think we should leave god err, excuse me jhowelb, God out of it. I think there really might be a God, hell I go to church every Sunday. But if there is, I don't think she wants us to know. I certainly don't think that a divine creator would have any need whatsoever in having us worship her. No, I think she put us on this earth to see what we would do, what we could become, to sit back and watch the show if you will. Mankind is own his own, womankind will try and bail him out if she can.

One of many: Leaders are used as a plural here. They rarely work together in the interests of the people. These are law makers with agenda's and power to place limitations and financial burdens on their own people now and far into the future. All while they work for or against you, butting heads trying to get things their way at our expense. I have read they get this same huge salary for the rest of their lives on retirement? Notice that and their pay raises not put to a vote of the people! No wonder they have no motivation to worry about funding SS any time soon. Same for Teacher audits. The public never gets to grade their pay performance or these numbskulls would be more broke than we are.

Me: Again, for the most part, what you say is true. But consider this, at one time in this nations history we had great leaders. Think of Abraham Lincoln, have you read any of his writings? This man was probably our greatest president. It brings tears to my eyes to read some of the things he wrote. Compare him with our current leaders and it's shameful. Be they conservative or liberal, nobody out there now can hold a candle to the caliber of this man. This nation was honored to have a president of his magnitude. Could it happen again, could he get elected if he were to run now? Ah, that's the question. Would the average American idiot have enough sense to vote for him if he were to come back from the grave and run again.

One of many:

IMHO only God can see things the way they are. Man only sees things the way they are presented and even then the limitations are sheltered by margins of narrow paradigm, including portions of culture and local exposures we are drawn into. Man also has the innate ability of deceiving himself. IN other words, I don't trust my own understanding, but I trust others even less until they have proven otherwise.

Take this quote posted via the user XYZ:


You have to have political leaders, and these leaders must have a vision for where we are going and what it takes to get there. Otherwise you end up where we are now. In a morass in Iraq, the economy is about to tank due to massive deficit spending, the value of the dollar down by about a third, all as a result of your conservative leadership. We spend more for health care than any nation on earth and yet millions aren't covered. In fact, many can't even purchase health care at any price. These are facts I mention, not philosophical ponderings about liberalism rising from the ashes of communism.

Leaders are used as a plural here. They rarely work together in the interests of the people. These are law makers with agenda's and power to place limitations and financial burdens on their own people now and far into the future. All while they work for or against you, butting heads trying to get things their way at our expense. I have read they get this same huge salary for the rest of their lives on retirement? Notice that and their pay raises not put to a vote of the people! No wonder they have no motivation to worry about funding SS any time soon. Same for Teacher audits. The public never gets to grade their pay performance or these numbskulls would be more broke than we are.

What is it going to take to cover millions more on the doll? More burdens and lower quality services spread thinner? Look at the quality of so many of the government run health centers now. The average American wouldn't even want to be treated there. What caliber of Physicians will elect to enter into this typical cut rate socialist system?

The absurdity is that many can't get care at any price......even when its free someone is paying the price. No, these aren't out of the ashes of communism alone, they rise form socialism, progressivism and Marxism as burdens from the treasury and the bare minimum return on your dollar investment. These charges never go away and they never go down. Although the bureaucracy levels expand to regulate wages and coverage service to the lowest institutional order of business. Those wages do not always draw the best and the brightest. Look at any federal government service, the civil employment process, the military and Intelligence sectors budget crunches and not one brass tack to pin accountability across the board.

Me: You and Mariss indulge in the theoretical abstractions of philosophical musings. I prefer to deal with the world as I see it. With what is actually happening to people I know, because I know a lot of people, and I see what they are going through. That's why I do as Jesus did, I tell stories about actual people and what is happening to them rather than dealing with weighty philosophical postulates.
So again, I'll tell another story. My helper Bubba, if I ever get this damn camera charged back up and the pix downloaded you'll see a pix of him with our router table. He's a good kid who works for me and was in perfect health until he had an accident. He had spinal damage and somehow his sight was affected. Of course he doesn't have any health insurance and can't get any. His vision is affected to the point that he can barely drive, in fact he's a danger to himself and others. He needs some kind of surgery to get this problem fixed, but he can't get it. So here you have this kid trying to survive and he can barely see, in fact his grandmother comes over to follow him home from work to make sure he makes it. Now if we had universal health care he could have surgury and get this problem fixed. But as it is, this poor kid who is just trying to survive may run into somebody and kill them. God bless America, I'm sure we should all be proud that he can't have access to health care, God wouldn't like that now would he.
xyzdonna

He had spinal damage and somehow his sight was affected.

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ALL my bs detectors are going off!
Sight does not pass through the spine, it is totally within the head.
If he is blind, all his needs will be attended and daily living assistance is there for the taking courtesy of those gubment programs your proud of. Why haven't you helped him xyz? With your bleeding heart leading the way just open those tight a$$ purse strings. God in heaven! Just get on the damned telephone and exercise that big mouth. You are closest and best able to help.

Oh! That right! We are supposed to judge you only on your intentions and not your lack of action and concern. Just to provide you with a pattern for action, our family found a needy orphan in in the Ukraine. He is here with us now living in my daughters house where he has been adopted and is being raised at great expense to our extended family. His eyes had a dysfunction where one on the right looked right and the other drifted badly to the left. WE have footed the bills for his surgeries and there will be more.

GET OFF YOUR ASS POCKET AND GIVE!

Me: You and Mariss indulge in the theoretical abstractions of philosophical musings. I prefer to deal with the world as I see it. With what is actually happening to people I know, because I know a lot of people, and I see what they are going through. That's why I do as Jesus did, I tell stories about actual people and what is happening to them rather than dealing with weighty philosophical postulates.
So again, I'll tell another story. My helper Bubba, if I ever get this damn camera charged back up and the pix downloaded you'll see a pix of him with our router table. He's a good kid who works for me and was in perfect health until he had an accident. He had spinal damage and somehow his sight was affected. Of course he doesn't have any health insurance and can't get any. His vision is affected to the point that he can barely drive, in fact he's a danger to himself and others. He needs some kind of surgery to get this problem fixed, but he can't get it. So here you have this kid trying to survive and he can barely see, in fact his grandmother comes over to follow him home from work to make sure he makes it. Now if we had universal health care he could have surgury and get this problem fixed. But as it is, this poor kid who is just trying to survive may run into somebody and kill them. God bless America, I'm sure we should all be proud that he can't have access to health care, God wouldn't like that now would he.
xyzdonna

Donna you really don't understand anything about Jesus do you? You say do do as Jesus did, telling stories and all, but that is not all Jesus did...not even close. Since I'm quite sure you don't have the ability to heal Bubba, why don't you simply do what is right, and pay for it? After all, Jesus helped in any way he could! Besides, if we get government mandated health care, you're going to be paying for it anyway. Why make Bubba wait for the surgery?

Mike

Donna you really don't understand anything about Jesus do you? You say do do as Jesus did, telling stories and all, but that is not all Jesus did...not even close. Since I'm quite sure you don't have the ability to heal Bubba, why don't you simply do what is right, and pay for it? After all, Jesus helped in any way he could! Besides, if we get government mandated health care, you're going to be paying for it anyway. Why make Bubba wait for the surgery?

Mike

Hi turmite,
We can't afford it. You're talking 30 or 40 thousand dollars for the surgery he needs. The only way that might be possible is sending him to a foreign country where everything is cheaper. This health care situation is a disaster. This country is totally out of control on the health care issue.
xyzdonna

Hi turmite,
We can't afford it. You're talking 30 or 40 thousand dollars for the surgery he needs. The only way that might be possible is sending him to a foreign country where everything is cheaper. This health care situation is a disaster. This country is totally out of control on the health care issue.
xyzdonna


My BS detectors just burned out with that load.

There are endless treatment possibilities starting with and certainly not limited to the Shriners. All you gotta do is sponsor him!

Lets be honest for a moment, this person does not exist! This is just another tactic to spew your anti America venom. "Bubba" is what my daughter named her bulldog. " Bubba" is a redneck hillbilly that happens to dupe enough stupid Dems to get to the Whitehouse!

"Bubba" is not the disadvantaged blind boy with a spinal injury who you EMPLOY as a helper?

I simply do not believe one damned word you say. You are a confirmed liar and you are telling another lie now!

WOOPS! THEY ARE BACK ON LINE!!!
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My BS detectors just burned out with that load.

There are endless treatment possibilities starting with and certainly not limited to the Shriners. All you gotta do is sponsor him!

Lets be honest for a moment, this person does not exist! This is just another tactic to spew your anti America venom. "Bubba" is what my daughter named her bulldog. " Bubba" is a redneck hillbilly that happens to dupe enough stupid Dems to get to the Whitehouse!

"Bubba" is not the disadvantaged blind boy with a spinal injury who you EMPLOY as a helper?

I simply do not believe one damned word you say. You are a confirmed liar and you are telling another lie now!

WOOPS! THEY ARE BACK ON LINE!!!
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The apostles of ignorance hide their heads in the sand so that they can avoid having to understand what is really happening. You flee from the truth so that you don't have to face it. You shall know the truth? No, the truth would only confuse and confound, you flee from it and hope it passes by. Then your carefully crafted delusions will prevail. Your simplistic assumptions, the moronic right wing drivel, so delusional , so flawed.
I could go on, but I won't,
xyzdonna

Go right ahead, it's just so much left wing crap anyway. Not a word of truth to anything you say.

Now, an atheist trying to use scripture like language against opponents. That's rich! You earned this with your deceitful liberal ways, ENJOY it! It only gets better from here, troll!

We know you for what and who you really are!

THANK YOU MIKEY! High fiver! :D LOL!:D

This is getting far too obvious of a head game. XYZ is a fraud troll with no moral conscience. That goes for spouse, bubba and friends that show up later.

Jhowelbs Total BS detector is still working at 66 and mine is semi-functional but barely....at 40+ something.

For the sake of shame......no limits to any load of low life abject mentality. This proves egregious lack of any character that uses Christ to blast Christians and denigrate religious people. I am aghast its laughable. If one could honestly say they do as Jesus did then Bubba( Bubba Smith AKA BS) could be healed of his affliction. Right after saying........"hell I go to church"? Dunno what for but you go? That tells me you are a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. Then you expect anyone to believe your global warming tripe? Get off the lunatic leaf for your own sanity and the people you converse with!

Take a bow and devolve when the curtain falls! Or put another way, don't let the imaginary XYZdoor hit your phony XYZass on the way out. Don't go away mad......just go away. Your head games are done here! You've accomplished to create more of a divide in American liberal vs. conservative issues for no single solitary purpose other than to get a nut for pure pleasure.

Ya sick twisted freak! (In the words of Glenn Beck):stickpoke and I mean that with the most kind hearted sincerity from the Blind community that you damn well (more than likely know) I am part of, making a play on it for political troll goading! There are few other people on this list that know this. Congrat's you have sadly made them all implicitly cloaked in suspicion.

If only I had the power...... I think it is time to request a banning or as the good book calls it, exorcism of evil minded spirits from existence. That is not to shut you up, but shut your below the belt games down. My guess is any respectable liberal would never go this low. Apparently you lack the intelligence to know the difference.


DC

HEheheeeee! maybe that's Bubba Gump!!

Now I have no problem sharing exactly who and what I am. I am the distinguished old gent in the gray shirt. The little fella under my wing is Valera, my Ukrainian Grandson, he's 12. Do you think he looks it?

There he is in an out take. I this photo he has had one surgery on those eyes. My heart hurts to look at him and I'd fight to the death to protect him.

Just a slack jawed conservative, I guess.

There is one daughter, one grandson and two grand daughters not shown here.

Quite a brood! They are all loved and cared for, I dare you to tell me that this is wrong!

For any one who thinks I'm putting you on over my own condition, here is a photo of the wife and myself (notice, please that I DIDN'T say "spouse") enjoying a hot summer day at the Alamo!

To a man that holds his family together despite the odds, I am sure they are thankful for your setting that example so that they will carry it on. You both have earned that proudly.

I come from a family of long marriages(60-65years) and honorable men that never failed their families. My Grandparents although gone now are still my guiding light. My parents are now soaking up that joy for my 3 children. My oldest was married a few years back and the middle one just graduated from the UW top 3% and plans to wed this next Dec. The youngest has a long ways to go for any of that. No Grandchildren yet, but we'll see if that will at least hold off until I pass 50. I am in no hurry, but if I can be for my grandchildren what my grandparents were to me, I will also have achieved the prize of an honorable mans life. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

20 years to go and I can retire.........yet amazed that the 30 years behind me was but a flash. :eek:


DC

....30 years to go and I can retire.........yet amazed that the 30 year behind me was a flash. :eek:DC

30 plus 30 equals 60. Normal retirement is 65. You started work at age 5?????:D

30 plus 30 equals 60. Normal retirement is 65. You started work at age 5?????:D

Dang it, I put it through the spell checker.....and never looked back!:confused:

20 years, phew that sounds better, but now I get less time to prepare.

DC

Now I have no problem sharing exactly who and what I am. I am the distinguished old gent in the gray shirt. The little fella under my wing is Valera, my Ukrainian Grandson, he's 12. Do you think he looks it?

There he is in an out take. I this photo he has had one surgery on those eyes. My heart hurts to look at him and I'd fight to the death to protect him.

Just a slack jawed conservative, I guess.

Hi jhowelb,
Nice family. Here is a pix of Bubba with the large router table spouse is building.
xyzdonna

Hello again,
Here is a pix of the router table we bought from another sign company and got up and running. We only paid $5,000 for it, couldn't have built it for that.
It seems like you have a nice and loving family, that is good you should be proud. Did ya'll adopt the kid from the Ukrain?
Bubba had an accident where he did some spinal damage and somehow affected his eye but I don't know the mechanism. Maybe he hit his head an compressed a vertabra I'm not sure exactly but it cases him neck pain and he can't focus his eyes together. He has to close one eye to see clearly.
xyzdonna

xyzdonna

We are having a little more global warming today!

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - A dangerous layer of heavy snow covered the Northern California mountains and a levee break flooded hundreds of homes in Nevada on Saturday as a major storm continued pummeling the West Coast.

Thousands of homes and businesses had been blacked out in California, Oregon and Washington and thousands of residents had been told to leave their homes in mudslide-prone areas of Southern California.

Avalanche warnings were posted for the back country of the central Sierra Nevada and flash flood warnings were in effect for many areas of Southern California, where large swaths of hillsides had been denuded by the fall's wildfires.

Remote sensors and ski areas in the high Sierra Nevada had recorded up to 5 feet since Friday morning, and the west side of the Lake Tahoe Basin already had 4 to 5 feet by Friday night, the National Weather Service office in Reno, Nev., said Saturday.

As much as 10 feet of snow was possible in the Sierra by Sunday. "Attempting to travel in the Sierra will put your life at risk," the weather service warned.

hmmm...there go my detectors again!:bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs:

Hi turmite,
We can't afford it.
xyzdonna


Donna, exactly my point. If we have mandated government health care, who do think is going to pay for it? Actually this is only part of my point. Jesus would have helped one way or the other assming he was just a man, which he wasn't, and assuming he did not have the power to heal.

I know you are taking a beating here, and honestly you deserve it!:) See, I said that with a smile! You use terms, comparisions..... whatever, to make your point, yet you don't seem to get it! You compare yourself to Jesus in one moment, yet deny him in the next. Let me make you a suggestion. If you truly care about Bubba, you and your uh...er... is spouse a husband type or the other type? Regardless, if you want to be true to your liberal stand, you find or make a way to get Bubba the help he needs. Hey, if you really want to help, I bet even the local churches could be convinced to get on board for a fund raising drive to help him get his surgery. By the way, why don't you try that, and do it with an open mind and see how love really works!

Donna in this new age of the net, you have unlimited resources if you want them. Get Bubba some help.

Mike

Donna, exactly my point. If we have mandated government health care, who do think is going to pay for it? Actually this is only part of my point. Jesus would have helped one way or the other assming he was just a man, which he wasn't, and assuming he did not have the power to heal.

I know you are taking a beating here, and honestly you deserve it!:) See, I said that with a smile! You use terms, comparisions..... whatever, to make your point, yet you don't seem to get it! You compare yourself to Jesus in one moment, yet deny him in the next. Let me make you a suggestion. If you truly care about Bubba, you and your uh...er... is spouse a husband type or the other type? Regardless, if you want to be true to your liberal stand, you find or make a way to get Bubba the help he needs. Hey, if you really want to help, I bet even the local churches could be convinced to get on board for a fund raising drive to help him get his surgery. By the way, why don't you try that, and do it with an open mind and see how love really works!

Donna in this new age of the net, you have unlimited resources if you want them. Get Bubba some help.

Mike

Hi turmite,
Actually we've looked into state agencies to see what could be done. His family is doing so as well. He got a part time job at a local Pizza Hut because they promised him health insurance. It turned out the insurance didn't really cover anything.
xyzdonna

file for SSD and go to the county for indigent health care. this the last option when you
get messed up cant get SSD and cant work. Clinton killed SSD not Bush by the way.The DEMS ran to clean up there system and they did. no help for you or me.

As to the other part of the equation, I have proof that I'm personally involved in cnc. Here is a clip of my mill conversion working with a little help from one of Mariss' G203V drives as well a link illustrating the conversion process.
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29339

Just for giggles, here is my conversion of a lathe.

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26530

Now, one would think that even a beginner cnc-er would have something to show besides photos that could be cut and paste from all over the web!

Just some little evidence of genuine involvement?

Can you read this and honestly say that you don't detect an agenda at work here? It is, to me, as transparent as a window pane!

Can the observed changes be explained by natural variability, including changes in solar output?

Since our entire climate system is fundamentally driven by energy from the sun, it stands to reason that if the sun's energy output were to change, then so would the climate. Since the advent of space-borne measurements in the late 1970s, solar output has indeed been shown to vary. There appears to be confirmation of earlier suggestions of an 11 (and 22) year cycle of irradiance. With only 20 years of reliable measurements however, it is difficult to deduce a trend. But, from the short record we have so far, the trend in solar irradiance is estimated at ~0.09 W/m2 compared to 0.4 W/m2 from well-mixed greenhouse gases. There are many indications that the sun also has a longer-term variation which has potentially contributed to the century-scale forcing to a greater degree. There is though, a great deal of uncertainty in estimates of solar irradiance beyond what can be measured by satellites, and still the contribution of direct solar irradiance forcing is small compared to the greenhouse gas component. However, our understanding of the indirect effects of changes in solar output and feedbacks in the climate system is minimal. There is much need to refine our understanding of key natural forcing mechanisms of the climate, including solar irradiance changes, in order to reduce uncertainty in our projections of future climate change.

In addition to changes in energy from the sun itself, the Earth's position and orientation relative to the sun (our orbit) also varies slightly, thereby bringing us closer and further away from the sun in predictable cycles (called Milankovitch cycles). Variations in these cycles are believed to be the cause of Earth's ice-ages (glacials). Particularly important for the development of glacials is the radiation receipt at high northern latitudes. Diminishing radiation at these latitudes during the summer months would have enabled winter snow and ice cover to persist throughout the year, eventually leading to a permanent snow- or icepack. While Milankovitch cycles have tremendous value as a theory to explain ice-ages and long-term changes in the climate, they are unlikely to have very much impact on the decade-century timescale. Over several centuries, it may be possible to observe the effect of these orbital parameters, however for the prediction of climate change in the 21st century, these changes will be far less important than radiative forcing from greenhouse gases.

Hi One of many,
My kind of ladies.
xyzdonna

Dear Donna,

Well, they look pleasant enough to me, and I have no problem if somebody wants a short haircut rather than something out of Dallas.

Are short haircuts bad?

Best wishes,

Martin

Dear Donna,

Well, they look pleasant enough to me, and I have no problem if somebody wants a short haircut rather than something out of Dallas.

Are short haircuts bad?

Best wishes,

Martin


But the rainbow scarf and some more subtle signs indicate more butch than haircut!!!

Mariss,
I wasn't going to post a photo of me. Just the machines.
xyzdonna

Oh,.. OK. In that case I'm really 5' 2", balding, fat and have looks that could scare a troll.

Mariss

Oh,.. OK. In that case I'm really 5' 2", balding, fat and have looks that could scare a troll.

Mariss


PLEASE, hurry and POST the picture!!

Aww, but OUR troll is prolly bi-lateral!!!

This ought to warm the heart of our troll!!


Br-r-r! Where did global warming go?

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | January 6, 2008

THE STARK headline appeared just over a year ago. "2007 to be 'warmest on record,' " BBC News reported on Jan. 4, 2007. Citing experts in the British government's Meteorological Office, the story announced that "the world is likely to experience the warmest year on record in 2007," surpassing the all-time high reached in 1998.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the planetary hot flash: Much of the planet grew bitterly cold.

In South America, for example, the start of winter last year was one of the coldest ever observed. According to Eugenio Hackbart, chief meteorologist of the MetSul Weather Center in Brazil, "a brutal cold wave brought record low temperatures, widespread frost, snow, and major energy disruption." In Buenos Aires, it snowed for the first time in 89 years, while in Peru the cold was so intense that hundreds of people died and the government declared a state of emergency in 14 of the country's 24 provinces. In August, Chile's agriculture minister lamented "the toughest winter we have seen in the past 50 years," which caused losses of at least $200 million in destroyed crops and livestock.

Latin Americans weren't the only ones shivering.

University of Oklahoma geophysicist David Deming, a specialist in temperature and heat flow, notes in the Washington Times that "unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007." Johannesburg experienced its first significant snowfall in a quarter-century. Australia had its coldest ever June. New Zealand's vineyards lost much of their 2007 harvest when spring temperatures dropped to record lows.

Closer to home, 44.5 inches of snow fell in New Hampshire last month, breaking the previous record of 43 inches, set in 1876. And the Canadian government is forecasting the coldest winter in 15 years.

Now all of these may be short-lived weather anomalies, mere blips in the path of the global climatic warming that Al Gore and a host of alarmists proclaim the deadliest threat we face. But what if the frigid conditions that have caused so much distress in recent months signal an impending era of global cooling?

"Stock up on fur coats and felt boots!" advises Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and senior scientist at Moscow's Shirshov Institute of Oceanography. "The latest data . . . say that earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012."

Sorokhtin dismisses the conventional global warming theory that greenhouse gases, especially human-emitted carbon dioxide, is causing the earth to grow hotter. Like a number of other scientists, he points to solar activity - sunspots and solar flares, which wax and wane over time - as having the greatest effect on climate.

"Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change," Sorokhtin writes in an essay for Novosti. "Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind." In a recent paper for the Danish National Space Center, physicists Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen concur: "The sun . . . appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change," they write.

Given the number of worldwide cold events, it is no surprise that 2007 didn't turn out to be the warmest ever. In fact, 2007's global temperature was essentially the same as that in 2006 - and 2005, and 2004, and every year back to 2001. The record set in 1998 has not been surpassed. For nearly a decade now, there has been no global warming. Even though atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to accumulate - it's up about 4 percent since 1998 - the global mean temperature has remained flat. That raises some obvious questions about the theory that CO2 is the cause of climate change.

Yet so relentlessly has the alarmist scenario been hyped, and so disdainfully have dissenting views been dismissed, that millions of people assume Gore must be right when he insists: "The debate in the scientific community is over."

But it isn't. Just last month, more than 100 scientists signed a strongly worded open letter pointing out that climate change is a well-known natural phenomenon, and that adapting to it is far more sensible than attempting to prevent it. Because slashing carbon dioxide emissions means retarding economic development, they warned, "the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it."

Climate science isn't a religion, and those who dispute its leading theory are not heretics. Much remains to be learned about how and why climate changes, and there is neither virtue nor wisdom in an emotional rush to counter global warming - especially if what's coming is a global Big Chill.

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

Well, it's not me but this is a picture of my son Marcus (left) and his IFR flight instructor practicing vector approaches into LAX in a Cessna 172. He's a heck of a pilot, don't you think?

Mariss

You aren't proud, are you Papa?

I'd like to see a picture of the military contingent!

ALL GRANDPAS, HEED THIS WARNING :

Do NOT lose your Grand kids in the Mall

My grandson got away from me Sunday at the mall. He
approached a uniformed policeman and said, "I've lost my grandpa!"

The cop asked, "What's he like?"

The little boy hesitated for a moment and then replied,
"Crown Royal whiskey and women with big boobs."

Hi One of many,


Me: Isn't that the truth. Man is good at deceiving himself, it takes a woman to see things clearly. LOL But seriously, I agree with some of what you say.
But you know, I think we should leave god err, excuse me jhowelb, God out of it. I think there really might be a God, hell I go to church every Sunday. But if there is, I don't think she wants us to know. I certainly don't think that a divine creator would have any need whatsoever in having us worship her. No, I think she put us on this earth to see what we would do, what we could become, to sit back and watch the show if you will. Mankind is own his own, womankind will try and bail him out if she can.

Either this is another blonde moment or your mental state is low on reality. You find thin wedges to turn everything into a point of contention don't you. Everything outside your head is in direct opposition and you desire to take dominion over your foe come hell or high water. Does Bipolar describe your state of well being? Its a consistent dyslexic view on the order of unstable as you invent turmoil for the sake of putting everyone beneath your all self important Id. That is what drives your gnashing of teeth to save your bankrupt soul against your fellow man. If I choose to use God in my posts as a basis for comparing the flaws of human condition and probability of mis-direction, who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't leave out? What is it with the micro-managing you do over others posts, you ignore in your own?

Just in case it is beyond your grasp, Church is a place of worship. Why bother if you find conflict in its premises and foundations? Where in your teachings have you ever seen God assigned a gender? You totally skipped my main point here and that was as you have proven, we see things the way we want to see them. Clarity is in the eyes of the beholder. Wherein us humans naturally seek agreement or force the opposition into submission. Most of the people here disagree with your views. I'd say the consensus here is you are wrong. That doesn't make the majority here right but the same analogy seems to suit the GW brouhaha. Maybe you should look for someplace your "Negativity Scene" is more welcome than here, the house of God or the Bride of Christ. Youz ain't the boss of me, but your intent says different!

One of many: Leaders are used as a plural here. They rarely work together in the interests of the people. These are law makers with agenda's and power to place limitations and financial burdens on their own people now and far into the future. All while they work for or against you, butting heads trying to get things their way at our expense. I have read they get this same huge salary for the rest of their lives on retirement? Notice that and their pay raises not put to a vote of the people! No wonder they have no motivation to worry about funding SS any time soon. Same for Teacher audits. The public never gets to grade their pay performance or these numbskulls would be more broke than we are.

Me: Again, for the most part, what you say is true. But consider this, at one time in this nations history we had great leaders. Think of Abraham Lincoln, have you read any of his writings? This man was probably our greatest president. It brings tears to my eyes to read some of the things he wrote. Compare him with our current leaders and it's shameful. Be they conservative or liberal, nobody out there now can hold a candle to the caliber of this man. This nation was honored to have a president of his magnitude. Could it happen again, could he get elected if he were to run now? Ah, that's the question. Would the average American idiot have enough sense to vote for him if he were to come back from the grave and run again.

Do some reading....Abe was not without controversy. I agree as the story is told, he was a great leader over all looking back on how things ended up. However, Archived History has left out much of his legacy that knowledgeable historians today would say put the country into a tailspin. Modern day propaganda .....the missing component here, is a 4-5 fold population growth and a manipulative media. The comparison is not relevant in today's myopic view no matter which party holds power. In 100 years, unconscious biased historians will pull off similar illusions to suit. Basket loads of dirty laundry on record are eventually hidden from public awareness and history lessons on a very selective basis.

Lest we forget, the executive branch is only a small part of what has shaped this country. So much of which the legislative branch is influence by business interests and the judicial branch influenced by activists interests. The common man has become the least common interest influencing governmental powers but suffers the impact from all three federal directions and multitude more at the state level. Your vote is bought and paid for with promises they are never required to honor.



One of many:

IMHO only God can see things the way they are. Man only sees things the way they are presented and even then the limitations are sheltered by margins of narrow paradigm, including portions of culture and local exposures we are drawn into. Man also has the innate ability of deceiving himself. IN other words, I don't trust my own understanding, but I trust others even less until they have proven otherwise.

Take this quote posted via the user XYZ:


You have to have political leaders, and these leaders must have a vision for where we are going and what it takes to get there. Otherwise you end up where we are now. In a morass in Iraq, the economy is about to tank due to massive deficit spending, the value of the dollar down by about a third, all as a result of your conservative leadership. We spend more for health care than any nation on earth and yet millions aren't covered. In fact, many can't even purchase health care at any price. These are facts I mention, not philosophical ponderings about liberalism rising from the ashes of communism.

Leaders are used as a plural here. They rarely work together in the interests of the people. These are law makers with agenda's and power to place limitations and financial burdens on their own people now and far into the future. All while they work for or against you, butting heads trying to get things their way at our expense. I have read they get this same huge salary for the rest of their lives on retirement? Notice that and their pay raises not put to a vote of the people! No wonder they have no motivation to worry about funding SS any time soon. Same for Teacher audits. The public never gets to grade their pay performance or these numbskulls would be more broke than we are.

What is it going to take to cover millions more on the doll? More burdens and lower quality services spread thinner? Look at the quality of so many of the government run health centers now. The average American wouldn't even want to be treated there. What caliber of Physicians will elect to enter into this typical cut rate socialist system?

The absurdity is that many can't get care at any price......even when its free someone is paying the price. No, these aren't out of the ashes of communism alone, they rise form socialism, progressivism and Marxism as burdens from the treasury and the bare minimum return on your dollar investment. These charges never go away and they never go down. Although the bureaucracy levels expand to regulate wages and coverage service to the lowest institutional order of business. Those wages do not always draw the best and the brightest. Look at any federal government service, the civil employment process, the military and Intelligence sectors budget crunches and not one brass tack to pin accountability across the board.


Me: You and Mariss indulge in the theoretical abstractions of philosophical musings. I prefer to deal with the world as I see it. With what is actually happening to people I know, because I know a lot of people, and I see what they are going through. That's why I do as Jesus did, I tell stories about actual people and what is happening to them rather than dealing with weighty philosophical postulates.

Since the GW debate is a theory based on abstracts that may be unrelated, it is in deed for the time being a philosophical musing. These stories you tell or akin to the stories of Ward Churchill. Unsubstantiated, leaning toward fictional and damn near plagiarizing lies told, but improvable as fact.



So again, I'll tell another story. My helper Bubba, if I ever get this damn camera charged back up and the pix downloaded you'll see a pix of him with our router table. He's a good kid who works for me and was in perfect health until he had an accident. He had spinal damage and somehow his sight was affected. Of course he doesn't have any health insurance and can't get any. His vision is affected to the point that he can barely drive, in fact he's a danger to himself and others. He needs some kind of surgery to get this problem fixed, but he can't get it. So here you have this kid trying to survive and he can barely see, in fact his grandmother comes over to follow him home from work to make sure he makes it. Now if we had universal health care he could have surgury and get this problem fixed. But as it is, this poor kid who is just trying to survive may run into somebody and kill them. God bless America, I'm sure we should all be proud that he can't have access to health care, God wouldn't like that now would he.
xyzdonna

The sadder story is that environmentalist would spend several millions if not billions annually, saving poor helpless nature or creature than making these same funds available for the likes of this fictional character. Jesus would throw you out of the market square, as thief's of this wasted offering for putting on such a phony pity party and leave the power of healing expectations on public charity or taxation funded entitlements. Think about giving generously next Sunday to atone for these sins.

Interesting how you made great effort with the gender of God earlier, only to change it in the end.....:confused:

DC

wow!

... The cop asked, "What's he like?"

The little boy hesitated for a moment and then replied,
"Crown Royal whiskey and women with big boobs."

You cannot be all bad...you like Canadian whiskey. :D

My spy has sent me another picture!!

Here is a video explaining how hard our congress works! Pretty funny actually....


Unclejayexplains (http://www.unclejayexplains.com/media/UJwmv09-03-07.wmv)

Not quite sure how to embed this or if that can be done in this area.:)


DC

That would be funny, except that it's TRUE!

Quote One of Many:
The sadder story is that environmentalist would spend several millions if not billions annually, saving poor helpless nature or creature than making these same funds available for the likes of this fictional character. Jesus would throw you out of the market square, as thief's of this wasted offering for putting on such a phony pity party and leave the power of healing expectations on public charity or taxation funded entitlements. Think about giving generously next Sunday to atone for these sins.


Interesting how you made great effort with the gender of God earlier, only to change it in the end.....:confused:

xyzdonna:
Hi One of Many,
Both areas will need to be funded. "Poor helpless nature" needs to be protected just as our citizens need health care. Bubba is not fictional, his real name is Charles. But even if I had made up the story (I promise, I didn't), surely you must realize that stories like this play out everyday across this country. People simply can't get access to health care and are dying because of it. Also, it runs the costs way up, treating the disease after it becomes full blown rather than taking preventative action is much more expensive and damaging.
Another true story: I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic. A friend of mine wasn't, his doctor totally overlooked the lab report, a costly mistake. Another acquaintance was diagnosed and did nothing about it. Three different cases. I'm on my treadmill and maintain control without taking insulin. The other two are on insulin. One just got out of the hospital because his sugar was so out of whack. My point is that early diagnosis and prompt intervention can result in much better (and cheaper) patient outcome. I'm sure his brief stay in the hospital cost much more than my treadmill did.
I deliberately switched God's gender to accentuate a more compassionate female deity as opposed to a conservative masculine one. I know, a bit trite on my part, but at least it shows you're paying attention!
xyzdonna

Quote One of Many:
The sadder story is that environmentalist would spend several millions if not billions annually, saving poor helpless nature or creature than making these same funds available for the likes of this fictional character. Jesus would throw you out of the market square, as thief's of this wasted offering for putting on such a phony pity party and leave the power of healing expectations on public charity or taxation funded entitlements. Think about giving generously next Sunday to atone for these sins.


Interesting how you made great effort with the gender of God earlier, only to change it in the end.....:confused:

xyzdonna:
Hi One of Many,
Both areas will need to be funded. "Poor helpless nature" needs to be protected just as our citizens need health care. Bubba is not fictional, his real name is Charles. But even if I had made up the story (I promise, I didn't), surely you must realize that stories like this play out everyday across this country. People simply can't get access to health care and are dying because of it. Also, it runs the costs way up, treating the disease after it becomes full blown rather than taking preventative action is much more expensive and damaging.
Another true story: I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic. A friend of mine wasn't, his doctor totally overlooked the lab report, a costly mistake. Another acquaintance was diagnosed and did nothing about it. Three different cases. I'm on my treadmill and maintain control without taking insulin. The other two are on insulin. One just got out of the hospital because his sugar was so out of whack. My point is that early diagnosis and prompt intervention can result in much better (and cheaper) patient outcome. I'm sure his brief stay in the hospital cost much more than my treadmill did.
I deliberately switched God's gender to accentuate a more compassionate female deity as opposed to a conservative masculine one. I know, a bit trite on my part, but at least it shows you're paying attention!
xyzdonna

They don't need to be funded, you want them funded.


The only way to fund these is to hijack the economics of people that work to earn it and have it taken away by a socialistic regime. Look at the tax burden of any country that this system exists in. Then try and comprehend why they still have slums, poor health and most include the worst track record on the employment. The effects on personal responsibility drop to new lows and the amount of corruption just to survive escalates in an attempt to stay ahead. In this day of trillion dollar budgets the government takes from us by force and gives away as bribary and economic aid to other countries could do it. We continue to elect not to pulling the plug....................the only laws they seem to enforce are the ones that benefit their existance and pet projects.

Assuming Bubba were real and that your business can't generate enough cash flow to support itself, you and your employees life needs. You'ld prefer for your bottom line, a subsidey for this shortfall that comes from the public treasury. It is a pirimid scheme that falsely shifts the burden off businesses and workers, onto the state. The state then must pass off that burden back onto everyone as a redistribution that nets a greater chance of negative benefits for everyone. There are tons of examples that once any government puts public funding through their coffers. It comes out the other side so shrunken, skimmed and chumped over, the beneficiaries it was supposed to help are at the end of the line. Much like your employee Bubba that you cannot afford to support because your overhead comes first. Round and round it goes to keep the funding flowing, but its feel good effort must be made to appear worth every dime.

Even what they are trying to pass off as the fair tax is BS. The only fair tax is voluntary charity. The latest quip from the master of BS was when Clinton complained of not being given the opportunity to support our military with his tax dollars. The real truth is in his tax return where by taking every deduction that was legal, sheltered income or investments. He declined that opportunity but used for mud slinging. I doubt he will be writing that check any time soon!

To be fair tax, contribute what you desire and keep your hands out of my pocket. If I see a net benefit at some point then maybe I might jump on board.

DC

Both areas will need to be funded.

Translation: "Never pass up an opportunity or excuse to levy a new tax!"

But even if I had made up the story (I promise, I didn't),

Please, your promises are worthless!


People simply can't get access to health care and are dying because of it.

NEWS FLASH!.....it's illegal for any ER to turn anyone away because they can't pay! Again, you are lying just for the hell of it!


Also, it runs the costs way up, .............

What runs the cost up is the unpaid bills from all the indigents and illegals!

I deliberately switched God's gender to accentuate a more compassionate female deity............

Really? Shall we talk about Pele?
History is replete with examples of goddesses who require blood sacrifices!

Femininity does not equate to compassion. Take for example Smith who drove her two toddlers into the lake still strapped into the lake. Or the lunatic in Texas who drowned three or four of her kids in the bath tub.

The time has come for you to face a fact, you aren't dealing uneducated, low IQ folks that you can just pull the wool over their eyes. You can't sell your crap here so you might as well find another market.

Wasn't it your intent to sell us a bill of goods about GW/CC? Been able to even say anything about it lately? Convinced anyone of even one fact relating to it?

NO! Instead you have become the focus. You now have become the one to whack and kick about.

As stated earlier, it only gets tougher from here!

Here is another dose of cheer for you, XYZ!

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Mon Jan 07 2008 09:46:28 ET

Facing a double-digit defeat in New Hampshire, a sudden collapse in national polls and an expected fund-raising drought, Senator Hillary Clinton is preparing for a tough decision: Does she get out of the race? And when?!

"She can't take multiple double-digit losses in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada," laments one top campaign insider to the DRUDGE REPORT. "If she gets too badly embarrassed, it will really harm her. She doesn't want the Clinton brand to be damaged with back-to-back-to-back defeats."

Meanwhile, Democrat hopeful John Edwards has confided to senior staff that he is staying in the race because Hillary "could soon be out."

"Her money is going to dry up," Edwards confided, a top source said Monday morning.

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Key players in Clinton's inner circle are said to be split. James Carville is urging her to fight it out through at least February and Super Tuesday, where she has a shot at thwarting Barack Obama in a big state.

"She did not work this hard to get out after one state! All this talk is nonsense," said one top adviser.

But others close to the former first lady now see no possible road to victory, sources claim.

[The dramatic reversal of fortunes has left the media establishment stunned and racing to keep up with fast-moving changes.

Glad to see everyone else has taken up my favorite sport ;)

xyxdonna...I'll play the sadist to your masochist...

xyzdonna (as masochist): Please...hurt me!
WYLD (as sadist): NO!!!

Glad to see everyone else has taken up my favorite sport ;)

xyxdonna...I'll play the sadist to your masochist...

xyzdonna (as masochist): Please...hurt me!
WYLD (as sadist): NO!!!

xyzdonna (as masochist):OH! Please...hurt me!
WYLD (as sadist): HELL NO!!!

(he, he heeeee!)

xyzdonna (as masochist):OH! Please...hurt me!
WYLD (as sadist): HELL NO!!!

(he, he heeeee!)


jhowelb,

you crack me up. You are a true errant knight of the cause. :)