How are you handling the dust collection on this machine?
Scott

Any video's of the new machine?

How are you handling the dust collection on this machine?
Scott


Very similar to this since i am using their mount, but to the front. That is the 1/2" holes for the rod in the router mount i was talking about.

http://www.k2cnctools.com/proddetail.asp?prod=R-Hood-892

Joe

joe
i have read both of your forums. i like & respect your work, but on your arm will the wire be bending in the same places all the time and eventually break at the joints? thanks for all your hard work & many post. greg

I made a larger loop at the top (excess) so it would not flex at a concentrated area.

With the braided wire i think it will be a very long time before it would break due to flexing.

Joe

Looks good Joe.
That cable management looks familiar :-).

Joe,
Are you ready to start accepting PayPal funds for the plans? Great looking machine. I'm itching to start hunting and gathering.
Dave

Looks good Joe.
That cable management looks familiar :-).

Yes as you did, cheap, easy and effective.

Joe

Joe,
In the last photo that you sent, am I to understand that when you home or reference the Y axis, your garage door is going to open? <LOL> If so, how much will you be charging for that option? If you look closely, it looks like it's attached to your garage door track!

Just kidding of course. Awesome looking machine!

The "other" Joe

Yes as you did, cheap, easy and effective.

Joe

Mine was originally part of a commercial server rack. The pieces are U shaped and the wire sits in the Us. There are 4 permanently attached velcro straps that wrap around the U and control the movement of the wire. The 2 nearest the middle hinge are about 4" away and allow for a pretty large loop.
Looks like yours is very similar.
My machine has not run anywhere near as long as one of yours, but I see no issue with the wire or any signs of stress.

Mine was originally part of a commercial server rack. The pieces are U shaped and the wire sits in the Us. There are 4 permanently attached velcro straps that wrap around the U and control the movement of the wire. The 2 nearest the middle hinge are about 4" away and allow for a pretty large loop.
Looks like yours is very similar.
My machine has not run anywhere near as long as one of yours, but I see no issue with the wire or any signs of stress.

I used 1x2's and skate bearings at the hinge points.

Joe

Not sure this is the best place, but I'm working on the PS for the 4x4 Hybrid and just wanted someone to check my math to make sure that I'm correct. I'm using Bob Campbell's PS design/instructions.

48/1.4 = 34.3VAC so let's say 35VAC
4 steppers rated @ 5A = 20A
20A * 0.67 = 13.4A
35VAC*13.4A = 469VA

So my transformer needs to be a 35VAC on the secondary side and at least rated at 500VA (I went with a 625VA transformer)

Capacitor sizing
C = (80000 * 13.4) / 48
C= 22,333uF

So the capacitor needs to be at least 25,000 uF and rated for at least 75V to be on the safe side. I'm pretty sure that I need a bleed resistor across the capacitor as well correct?

TIA,

James

Looks good specs for PSU seem correct to me, I went with 33,000uf myself, i like to have room.

Joe

Here is the machine, I added some inexpensive cable management, total cost around 20.00.

Nice Joe,

I must be missing something. Where are the other steppers and timing belts?


Bill :withstupi

Looks good specs for PSU seem correct to me, I went with 33,000uf myself, i like to have room.

Joe


Cool, I may add another cap in parallel just to be safe. I've got everything else purchased for the PS, controller box and the steppers. Ordered a new PC router motor, dust collector and extra components to hook everything up. Ordered barrier blocks, fuses and some led's to add to the controller box.

What multi-conductor wire are most people using to hook up the steppers? Is 4 conductors enough? Also what gauge 18 or 16?

Now I just need a materials list, some plans and a little time hint hint :).

I count three visible and one prolly hidden on the back corner.

Fantastic work, Joe! Congrats!

timing belt and pullys will be in the plans, yes all 4 motors are on there.

timing belt and pullys will be in the plans, yes all 4 motors are on there.


Do the two steppers with the pulleys need to be dual shaft? I'm assuming so, but I haven't seen a picture yet that actually shows how that is setup.

James

you decide on a price for the plans yet Joe? am I a pain in your side sorry but love this design and most of what I have allready will work with it especially when I bought the slave drive for a second motor for my arcsin a while back.


Rob

Do the two steppers with the pulleys need to be dual shaft? I'm assuming so, but I haven't seen a picture yet that actually shows how that is setup.

James

Yes two motors must be dual shaft, the other two do not but i would get them anyway, in case you want to place a handle on them.

Joe

This is what I have in mind for the Cutting bed, t-tracks with 12" mdf between them, this way we just skim the top of the 12" boards and true the surface, is should be relatively flush with the top anyway, because the unistrut is bolted right to the 80/20. So not to much skimming will be needed.

Joe

Hey Joe what are the exact lenths of the aluminum I know I read 72" is that what you left them at or did you cut them I just want to know what I should order

thank you

Rob

8020 T Slot Aluminum Extrusion 25 S 25-5010 x 74.75

We didn't cut them down, left them stock. As Joe has said there will be a parts listing and will include suggested suppliers. Obviously with the extrusions 8020's surplus ebay store is your best bet at getting them cheap. I paid roughly $50 a piece ($150 total for 3). Same goes for the 8020 tnuts, they are cheap as well in their ebay store.

yes, 72" would be the min. but since they had the 74" i got those and this also gave me an extra 2" of travel... :)

also if someone does preorder the extrusions before i have plans ready, we ordered 5 packages if the econo t-nuts 1/4", maybe this will save someone a little shipping. ok thats all i will say about materials for now... :)

Joe

Heh Joe how's it going. On the lead screws what do you recommend on using. The 1/2-8 2start or the 1/2-10 2 start...?







Pat, Topeka KS

8020 T Slot Aluminum Extrusion 25 S 25-5010 x 74.75

I notice you went with the metric sized 8020 T-Slot at 50mm (1.97") x 100mm (3.94"). How much fiddling will have to be done in order to use an imperial sized, 2" x 4" extrusion (10S 2040) and compensate for the extra 0.030" width and 0.060" height?

Just checking,

Heh Joe how's it going. On the lead screws what do you recommend on using. The 1/2-8 2start or the 1/2-10 2 start...?

Pat, Topeka KS


OK, this will be the last mention of materials until the plans come out.

The lead screws I use are 3- 72"x1/2-10 5 start for the x and y axis, and 15" 1/2-8 two start. (don't forget your Dumpster Anti-backlash nuts)

On my prototype 4x4 i switched to the 1/2"-10 5 start and it works really well. (i did this to test the lead screws) get them from mcmaster, their screws are far superior than others i have seen.

Joe

I notice you went with the metric sized 8020 T-Slot at 50mm (1.97") x 100mm (3.94"). How much fiddling will have to be done in order to use an imperial sized, 2" x 4" extrusion (10S 2040) and compensate for the extra 0.030" width and 0.060" height?

Just checking,

Yes imperial or metric does not matter the variation in the 80/20 effect on the machine is 0.05", I have built into the machine over 1/4" adjustments so any distances that are slightly off can be compensated for easily.

Joe

Joe,

Thanks for the confirmation on the metric/imperial aluminum extrusion sizing difference. I figured you had built in a fairly liberal adjustment system on the 4x4 Hybrid similar to what you did on the JoeCNC2006. I just thought I'd quickly check before taking the plunge and ordering 150+ dollars of materials that would create more hassle than they're worth. We've all been there and done that one before. :( Now that it has been deemed a non-issue it doubles our chances of purchasing usable 8020 extrusions from the 8020 Garage Sale eBay store.

Good deal, and thanks,

Joe,

Thanks for the confirmation on the metric/imperial aluminum extrusion sizing difference. I figured you had built in a fairly liberal adjustment system on the 4x4 Hybrid similar to what you did on the JoeCNC2006. I just thought I'd quickly check before taking the plunge and ordering 150+ dollars of materials that would create more hassle than they're worth. We've all been there and done that one before. :( Now that it has been deemed a non-issue it doubles our chances of purchasing usable 8020 extrusions from the 8020 Garage Sale eBay store.

Good deal, and thanks,

yes, I know that all to well about cost and materials If you do not know this is the third full build of this 4x4 Hybrid so you could just imagine the cost I have gone through to get the machine to a point where I am really happy and excited about it, and to be able to present it to others.

Joe

Alright Joe, I just about got my controller box built and will have most of the components that I could order to this point by tomorrow. Now I'm patiently waiting.... :)

I guess I could clean up my shop and make room for the new beast in the meantime, but we all know how much fun cleaning the shop is.

James

just a few more days, you will want a clean and large area to work in maybe a min of 10'x10' to be able to walk around it, and then I built some walls to make a 8'x8' area to house the machine.

Joe

just a few more days, you will want a clean and large area to work in maybe a min of 10'x10' to be able to walk around it, and then I built some walls to make a 8'x8' area to house the machine.

JoeI wish I had an 8'x8' area to wall off, but the third bay in the garage just isn't quite that big. I'm going to have to get rid of a few things to make room as it is. It's a good thing though, as I'll have to make more efficient use of the space that I have. Good thinking, confine the mess to one small area. :)

Soon you will be taking over the living room lol. It never ends until you get yourself an outside building or a rental shop space... :D

Joe,

Have you narrowed down your plan price yet?

Bill

no not yet, i keep seeing things i want to add to it, to make the build that much easier, It is not just a set of plans it will also be a build step by step manual. I think everyone will be very happy with the plans/manual it will save allot of time, headaches and loss of materials due to mistakes or miscalculations, believe me i have done that all to many times for you already... lol

Joe

Hiya,

Is this machine still available?

Rich

Hiya,

Is this machine still available?

Rich

if by "still available" you mean plans and instruction manual are almost finished and will "be available for purchase" very soon.............then yes they are "still available". Until then enjoy the many pages of reading enjoyment.

I think he's talking about the old machine that Joe was selling.

I think he's talking about the old machine that Joe was selling.

good call, that may be what he is talking about, however I saw his location says canada, and didn't figure he would make the trek to texas to pick it up :), thats why I assumed he was talking about plans for the machine........but you know what happens when you assume something(nuts)

yes, i still have the proto machine, It is still working great.


Joe

Hi Joe I am thinking of making the table out of steel instead of the aluminum because of cost and availability what do you think of this idea I would still go with the same gantry as yours.

Rob

Cost isn't that bad with alum, the extrusions are the foreground of the machine and the basis for the structural design. The ebay suprlus store lets out the aluminum at ridiculous prices, affordable to say the least. I think that's what you mean because thats really the only main aluminum on the machine, the rest is unistrut (superstrut at HD) framing, all galvanized steel. But it's a flexible design, if you can get within the same sizes you can play with it a bit. However, the main main reason the use of extrusions was so important is because they allow you the ability to literally BOLT together the entire build, no welding, no lost time making jigs to perfectly drill holes once.. all of the alignment comes from these tslots and it helps to have precision adjustable slots to put this thing together. That's why as joe says, you can adjust almost every part of this machine, it's going to be quite hard to mess this build up if impossible. (but don't hold me to that!)

considering I live in Canada the shipping of aluminum would make buying it from ebay costly but I see your point it would make allot more work for me. when I priced the aluminum out new it will run me around $500.00 with some t nuts thrown in there, the plus is they will cut the lengths for me and they guarantee precision of there cuts. By the way this is a good Canadian source for the aluminum if you want to buy it new its $382.26 for a 20 foot length http://www.quikconnectcanada.ca/ great guys bought tnuts off of them before.

Rob

I paid $150 roughly for all 3 extrusions. To me for aluminum extrusions thats pretty damn cheap! Even if you pay $100 for shipping it will pay off later; believe me. Having those slots allows you to make the entire machine adjustable, not to mention extruded aluminum is stable, strong, flat and true. The ends were cut perfectly square and clean, no problems with that and they were left exact size as purchased. As I said ebay's 8020 surplus store has great deals all the time, you can always snag pricey metal for ALOT less than retail prices. Email them, I'm sure they ship a lot with UPS and get large discounts and may be able to work out a decent shipping arrangement.

Joe,

I was looking around for a less expensive bearing alternative for the Hybrid. I used some of these bearings on a different project and thought they might work here. Cost about $8 each.


http://igus.kimweb.de/index.asp?la=eng&home=http://www.igus.com&artnr=EFSM-12

Bill

yes, i got them on e-bay for 7 and a half i think, don't worry i always looked for best beals, and the links will be provided in the docs.

Joe

and the links will be provided in the docs.

Joe

Just tired of twiddling my thumbs. I was ready to start before Thanksgiving and keep putting it of pending you plans. Ordering parts makes me feel like I am accomplishing something. Besides that, I already have my previous machine sold, so he is waiting too.

Bill

Bgriggs, it will be done and released soon. When it is done its done and joe rushing it will only sacrifice the quality of the materials, plans etc that will be for sale when it is released. Joe wants to do it right, and I don't blame him. Hang in there!

Bgriggs, it will be done and released soon. When it is done its done and joe rushing it will only sacrifice the quality of the materials, plans etc that will be for sale when it is released. Joe wants to do it right, and I don't blame him. Hang in there!

I have no real choice but to hang in there..... I am capable of designing my own machine but don't think that is the right path since this design is well suited to my needs. I have gathered the 8020, leadscrew, unistrut and a few other items. I would like to order the parts that will take a week or more to get here.... I have the money now but their are a million other things I could buy.... So my cash pile has dwindled by 1/3 since Thanksgiving......

If I am being unfair to Joe and the list by hoping he finishes soon, I apoligize. I won't post here again till the plans are done.

Keep up the good work Joe. I'll check back in a few months.

Bill

Bill, hang in man, you're prepared it's a good thing. It won't be a few months, if a another month, but this machine is a fast fairly cheap build and you will enjoy it. Besides as easy as it is, it is also very involved, many parts. You aren't held up to each step if you're missing a love joy or motor, or certain bolt, you can always work on something to progress the machine until a certain point. While you wait for parts you will be busy with other stuff, trust me. Just keep on listening, the only thing I might suggest is start thinking about a controller, pref. gecko based and you will need a 4 axis BOB (two slaved in mach 3) and something with atleast 36v, enough power to push this machine to its ability.

pref. gecko based and you will need a 4 axis BOB (two slaved in mach 3)

How do you slave the two axis in Mach 3? I was just going to run the same step and direction line for the axis to both geckos. I take it slaving in Mach is better?

James

EDIT: I figured out how to do it in Mach & it is very simple.

Does anyone have any resources on the topic of slaving. I understand that it involves using 2 motors for one axis, I think? Can anyone provide some information or a website?

Also what are the advantages of slaving and what additional software/hardware is required?

In Mach3, just set up both motors exactly the same and go to config>Slaving

There are three ways i know of and have done myself personally.

1) 4 drives, and a axis slaved with X axis in software. i.e. Mach3
2) 4 drives, and two drives share the same pinouts from bob card.
3) 3 drives and two motors wired directly to one drive.

The last one I did tonight with a Gecko G201 not sure if it works with other drives, but I was very surprised as to how well the drives ran with each other.

Joe

80/20 garage has the extrusion for 48 dollars now, (38 pieces left) Mike told me he was putting more on there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Aluminum-Extrusion-25-S-25-5010-x-72_W0QQitemZ330188946863QQihZ014QQcategoryZ31489QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

don't forget 5 packs of 1/4-20 econo nuts.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Hardware-T-Nuts-10-S-3382-25pcs-N_W0QQitemZ330199188592QQihZ014QQcategoryZ42905QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Joe

Nice to see some metric parts being used in your new machine Joe :)

I can source 80/20 locally but haven't got pricing as yet. I'll wait for your full BOM and then request a quote from 80/20 Australia.

Cheers

Claudio

those are the only parts I got from 80/20.

Joe

Thanks for the heads up, Joe.

Ernie

BOB, 8020 extrusions (8020 garage) and T nuts showed up today. Controller box is just about finished. Waiting on a cap and need to install the BOB and geckos, then I need to do some V-carve and hole drilling in the plexi face plate for the fuses, leds, cables and labels. I'll get a picture when I get it finished up. I just hope the plexi turns out, if not I'll get another piece and try again.

Got a pretty good deal on the aluminum and steel for the box. We have a scrap bin at work that was pretty full and I found a 3/16" aluminum plate for the bottom and some small guage steel for the sides and top all for free. The aluminum plate will make a great heat sink.

80/20 garage has the extrusion for 48 dollars now, (38 pieces left) Mike told me he was putting more on there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Aluminum-Extrusion-25-S-25-5010-x-72_W0QQitemZ330188946863QQihZ014QQcategoryZ31489QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

don't forget 5 packs of 1/4-20 econo nuts.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Hardware-T-Nuts-10-S-3382-25pcs-N_W0QQitemZ330199188592QQihZ014QQcategoryZ42905QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Joe

Hey Joe what was your shipping like on the extrusions, I know your a lot closer to Indiana than I am but I think the shipping by UPS would be upwards of 300$ for delivery to Conn (06082 zip) I hope I made a mistake yikes !
I wish Ups was as nice to us zoners as you been !
Many thanks for all your hard work.

Techno, small world.. enfield? I live in CT too, shipping wasn't bad at all. For the three extrusions and tnuts, heres my totals. Shipping was cheap. Just be sure you wait for them to invoice you, 8020 surplus probably gets substantial ups discounts as they ship a lot of bulky stuff...

Your total is:
$181.47 per item
insurance (not offered)
$0.00 Sales discounts (-) or charges (+)
$28.10 shipping/handling

-----
$209.57 = Total

Send me a pm when you get a chance, I'm not too far from you.

Techno, small world.. enfield? I live in CT too, shipping wasn't bad at all. For the three extrusions and tnuts, heres my totals. Shipping was cheap. Just be sure you wait for them to invoice you, 8020 surplus probably gets substantial ups discounts as they ship a lot of bulky stuff...

Your total is:
$181.47 per item
insurance (not offered)
$0.00 Sales discounts (-) or charges (+)
$28.10 shipping/handling

-----
$209.57 = Total

Send me a pm when you get a chance, I'm not too far from you.

Do you mean 181.47 per extrusion or 181.47 for the 3 extrusions:confused:

That price is for everything, 3 extrusions and 5 bags of 8020 nuts.

I see they also have the same profile at 96", albeit at almost twicw the price. Would it be practical to get 2 of these for the side rails and scale it to near 4x8 cut area?

I see they also have the same profile at 96", albeit at almost twicw the price. Would it be practical to get 2 of these for the side rails and scale it to near 4x8 cut area?

You would need to redisign it using rack and pinion, not acme rods.

Joe

So we need three of these at 72 long correct. Also the motors and controller used in the plans I want to order those too. Will you have different levels of parts in plans? I would like the best motors for this and the best controller. Or should I just order the 8020 and wait? Will the plans be ready soon and how long after for the kits? I appreciate any and all help. Thanks James H.

Joe

How much longer does the 8020 have to be over the size of cutting area? I want to build a machine with a 4' X8' cutting table.

Ernie

Joe

How much longer does the 8020 have to be over the size of cutting area? I want to build a machine with a 4' X8' cutting table.

Ernie

72" will give you 49" i believe, so 120" will give you 8' cutting area., Just about the same size footprint of a shopbot (120" x 91" x 68") except not as wide.

Have you seen the pricing of shopbots now?
They are good machines, but i can not afford one.

4x4 = $11,500
4x8 = $13,000

we can build the 4x4 Hybrid for 2,200 to 2,800 depending on your sources.
(some cheaper some more expensive but in general)

Joe

So we need three of these at 72 long correct. Also the motors and controller used in the plans I want to order those too. Will you have different levels of parts in plans? I would like the best motors for this and the best controller. Or should I just order the 8020 and wait? Will the plans be ready soon and how long after for the kits? I appreciate any and all help. Thanks James H.

Yes 72" min. on the 80/20 or you will not get the full 48" cutting area.

The motors and controller are not in the plans, Electronics are individual choices, In the initial video's I am running the HobbyCNC pro kit 305oz/in motors. I will also be trying Gecko's to see how the machine runs.

Another thing is the actual cutting bed, this is another user specific item, some want just a flat bed, others want t-tracts, and some may prefer a solid bed of 80/20.

Plans will be PDF on 24"x36" sheets, and can be printed to scale for templates or just print those sections, or I have also imported the directly into V-Carve Pro. for those who have that software and an existing machine.

Joe

I know this is a bad very bad question but any idea on the price for the plans yet Joe take your time on making them but even a ballpark would be good I really have to know if the wife will let me buy them

I know this is a bad very bad question but any idea on the price for the plans yet Joe take your time on making them but even a ballpark would be good I really have to know if the wife will let me buy them

Well I only got a very few e-mails about suggestions so after allot of deliberation, and sending the unfinished (almost complete) plans to people for opinions, professionals and non-professionals alike, the senses i got has come to a conclusion that the plans are some of the best they have seen out there for building your own machine.

So for now, I am leaning towards a One month long period with a cost of 75.00 for those who have been waiting patiently, after that time frame they will go up in cost.

I still need to add a couple of more sheets for some minor clarifications, the final set will be about 25 sheets on 24"x36" sheets (PDF) and BOM and should have a build guide to go along with it.

Joe

Joe,

This is my first post.
Sounds good to me. Just let me know when, where and how to pay!

Greg

I will be purchasing a set then when your ready probably going to take some flak for buying them still but well worth it IMO


Rob

Awesome Joe. Just let me know when and where to send the $$$$.

James

I'm ready to purchase the plans when they are completely fleshed out. I love the idea of being able to take the PDF's right into v-Carve and make parts directly from my existing machine.

Thanks,
david

I'm ready to purchase the plans when they are completely fleshed out. I love the idea of being able to take the PDF's right into v-Carve and make parts directly from my existing machine.

Thanks,
david

The v-carve worked pretty slick, it puts every sheet on its own layer called page 1, page 2 etc.

then I believe you can create more layers per part and copy that part to it.

Joe

The v-carve worked pretty slick, it puts every sheet on its own layer called page 1, page 2 etc.

then I believe you can create more layers per part and copy that part to it.

Joe

Sweet Joe. I've done this a little bit and it is really easy to do. Not sure if you can copy, but I know that you can move parts between layers.

Hi Joe,

I've been following this thread with great interest and would like to purchase your plans when available. Is there a way to get on some sort of list?

Thanks Much,

Rich

Hi Joe,

I've been following this thread with great interest and would like to purchase your plans when available. Is there a way to get on some sort of list?

Thanks Much,

Rich

I would rather not get into a list of pre-order or anything like that, besides only about 5 to 6 people have messaged or posted here they are interested. It would be interesting to see those who are interested to e-mail me with contact info (not PM because it stays full and will not get it) and then maybe i would make a list if warranted, that way they can get on the 1st month.

Joe

Thanks Joe,

Could you please give me an email address to send my information too.

Sincerely,

Rich

I am waiting to buy.

Ernie

Thanks Joe,

Could you please give me an email address to send my information too.

Sincerely,

Rich

With so much info it's easy to miss, but take a look at any of Joe's posts in the header section (not sure if that's the proper term).

joecnc2006 at yahoo . com

Do the appropriate substitution for "at" and remove the spaces.

Mike

Joe,

I have read every page of your thread on the hybrid. I am new to the cnc
zone community. I would like to purchase plans to build the cnc router. I
have no experience with building controls. Don't even know where to start. I
believe your plans are just the mechanical parts. Maybe you can also steer
me in the right direction to purchase and build the control as I am excited
to DIY this project. I hate trying to find my way around on here. every time i want to come back to this thread i have to do a goole serch.

Joe,

I have read every page of your thread on the hybrid. I am new to the cnc
zone community. I would like to purchase plans to build the cnc router. I
have no experience with building controls. Don't even know where to start. I
believe your plans are just the mechanical parts. Maybe you can also steer
me in the right direction to purchase and build the control as I am excited
to DIY this project. I hate trying to find my way around on here. every time i want to come back to this thread i have to do a goole serch.

bookmark the thread, If you know nothing about the controllors, I would get the HobbyCNC pro kit, its a kit yes, but just about anyone can put it together, has good instructions, plus others can help you on here.

Joe

I used it for my Joe2006 build. The kit is easy to put together. I believe Joe used the kit and motors for the prototype 4x4. Buy the complete package with motors and all, it makes it easy. The only other thing you need is a transformer and an enclosure. This gives you a drive system that is already proven on the machine. Get the 305 motors.
You can upgrade late if you see a need.

would I be able to use that same controller to run a plasma and oxy-acetalene torch?

ps. joe, i was looking for the video today to show my friend and it seems to have been removed from the threads.

would I be able to use that same controller to run a plasma and oxy-acetalene torch?

ps. joe, i was looking for the video today to show my friend and it seems to have been removed from the threads.

I would think so, the only thing is to get tourch height adjustment.

Well I think it's time we tease a little bit. I've been building this machine sem-secretly for awhile. After working with Joe closely on this final (should I use that word?) revision before release I've grown to appreciate every part of this machine. Joe has done a really phenomenal job in designing it and working with him on it had brought me to be as confident in the machine as him. My machine is identical to his; the only major difference believe it or not is about 10" of height as I wanted mine a little shorter than his. Overall the goal of the design was to keep it simple, less complicated than most and to integrate materials intelligently. It doesn’t have the appearance of a commercial machine but holds the fundamentals of some of the best. Every part has a purpose and the way the part was made to follow. The bolt was placed in a certain place for a certain reason, not because it was just convenient.

MDF and HDPE are still used in this machine surprisingly enough, but it was used in a way that doesn’t affect any strength of the overall machine. Everything is cross braced and works off of the core structure, the 80/20 extrusions and unistrut. It’s a very similar machine to the modern day Shopbot. However it favors one area to all of us DIYers, it’s a bolt together; no welding and no need to sweat over perfect hole alignment. There is endless adjustment and the ability to produce these parts either on your previous Joe 06 or by hand with basic power tools. While I’m not going to reveal everything, I will say this, this machine is a new breed past the previous 06, for the serious DIYer. If you’re thinking about building it, go for it, it isn’t rocket science. And I will make this promise, if you follow the plans, this machine will be built rock solid easier and cheaper than some of us built our 06’s. With money in mind, my best advice will be you guys go all the way. Spend the money on the stuff Joe designed with the machine, don't find cheaper lesser quality alternatives. By all means upgrade, but don't downgrade. A hobbycnc controller works well, but the neat, fast appeal will be the Gecko based controller which Joe and I are going with. Budget some extra cash if you plan to do that, but the machine itself is rather inexpensive to build.

Lastly, on a side note you will see in the photo revision 1 of the Arch D size drafts Joe sent and printed for me. Every single part that needs to be fabricated is full scale on these prints. Joe drafted these from a full scale 3d model with every nut and bolt in a BOM. These are full proof and I built 75% of this machine from these prints. With some minor adjustments and additions for final revision for you guys, they will prove to be top notch, unlike much of what you have seen before and for a fraction of the price. Joe will be offering these printed I believe for a fee. If you’re like me you will want them in print, you cannot beat it. Every step will be detailed in the doc and correspond with the sheetset.

That’s all for now folks. Here’s a teaser of my machine, I’m only a little behind Joe  :confused:but getting there. Thanks Joe, and looking forward to all of your builds; be patient, the plans are coming soon to be released for all of you to look at.

http://www.vi01.com/cnc/teaser.jpg

Cooool!
Trying to wait patiently, but it's tough. I'm ready to get going. Oh well!!!!

Greg

Enough teasing already.... :)

Been looking at Joe's 2006 Model and had my heart set on building that one, but after reading this entire post, I think i'm opting to hold off and build this one. What a beautiful looking machine.

Been looking at Joe's 2006 Model and had my heart set on building that one, but after reading this entire post, I think i'm opting to hold off and build this one. What a beautiful looking machine.

you won't regret the wait I am sure of that!

I was waiting patiently until he dangled the carrot again now I feel impatient again

Joe,
I have a few questions regarding your new setup.

1. How do you keep both of the long axises is sync when driving them with two seperate motors?

2. How did you square up the two indepant axises?

3. did you install a home switch on both axises to insure that they both return to the same position every time?

4. Did you drive the Gecko's from one step and direction pins or did you couple the two axises in Mach?

Thanks in advance and waiting for your new plans.

Rich

Joe,
I have a few questions regarding your new setup.

1. How do you keep both of the long axises is sync when driving them with two seperate motors?

2. How did you square up the two indepant axises?

3. did you install a home switch on both axises to insure that they both return to the same position every time?

4. Did you drive the Gecko's from one step and direction pins or did you couple the two axises in Mach?

Thanks in advance and waiting for your new plans.

Rich

I have a belt, between motors, manually sq the machine then lock down belt.

No switches installed yet, will just have limits switches, will use laser to home to stock material and zero tool plate.

Use Mach3 to slave axis.

Joe

Cutting bed attached, Spoil Board pieces go on top of it.

Joe

Really good job Joe. A real next generation of machines that is within the grasp and abilities of the hobbyist.

How about posting some current close-up pictures of all the axis?

Thanks
Hager

Now you're prying! :rainfro:

Waiting patiently, but it's tough. Joe, a outstanding design. Let us know when you have the package put together. Plans, etc...


Roger

Thanks for information Joe.

I've got a quick question. I'm new to the hobby, so this question might be retarded and have a no brainer answer, but I have not seen anyone bring it up.

What would stop you from instead of 2 motors for the x-axis, just slapping a beefier stepper right in the center where you currently have the pully, and turning both leadscrews of the x-axis with just a single stepper?

its not a question of the motor being strong enough its that because of the lenght the leadscrew would whip and cause vibration as well as the gantry might rack.

I'm not sure if you got what i am tring to get at here. I am not talking about a single leadscrew.

I am talking 2 leadscrews like it is right now, but one motor in the center with a belt or something going to both sides to turn both screws simultaneously.

I've got a quick question. I'm new to the hobby, so this question might be retarded and have a no brainer answer, but I have not seen anyone bring it up.

What would stop you from instead of 2 motors for the x-axis, just slapping a beefier stepper right in the center where you currently have the pully, and turning both leadscrews of the x-axis with just a single stepper?

Yes you could do that very easily, step up to a 640 oz/in motor may work.
the only problem i may see is make sure the belt does not put pressure on the leadscrew to cause a bow in the leadscrew. I have the belt pulley on the end of the motors now.

with Gecko's you may not even need a belt between, some of people are planning on no belt.

Joe

Right. I had thougth about that. Was thinking of possibly mounting pullies to each side in a way that the tension would on be on the pullies themselves and not be transfered to the screws. I just did not know if you would end up with slippage from using a belt or anything.

you have those plans done yet Joe? I sent you an email to let me know the details when your ready mine probably said from Rob and Deb smith.

I am shooting for Friday for the plans, and then will send out doc file a few days later.

Hopefully this date will be good, and i will send out e-mail to those who e-mailed me about being interested.

Joe

Thanks Joe

Awesome Joe. Thank you!!!!!

Joe,

I'm hoping this is the location you suggested posting to...

The 72" lengths of 25-5010 T-slot extrusions you're using on the 4x4 are flying off our eBay Store shelves (http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale?refid=store). You've obviously got the attention of a lot of folks. I just want to let you know we only have 14 of the surplus bars remaining. These bars are available at roughly 25% off normal price because they were remainders from a large factory order. Once these are gone we will be adding NEW product inventory at 72" lengths specifically for your project. However, those bars will carry NEW product pricing (Approx $70 per bar). In the event we receive any more surplus 25-5010 extrusions at or exceeding 72" we'll pre-cut to 72", discount and list at the discounted price.

I ordered my 80/20 last week from Ebay's 80/20 Inc store. Paid with paypal, and my bank funds have been reduced. I inquired with 80/20 Inc, to find out where the shipment stood, and I find out the funds have not cleared PayPal. So shipping is also on hold. I contacted the bank and the money is gone. You guys know how hard it is to talk with a PayPal person, so I don't know where to go with this investigation.

Thanks,
Dave

Edit: The Paypal e-check was finally released to 80/20. 6 days after my order. I guess Paypal get's to make some interest on my money for 5 days before forwarding it on to the rightful merchant.

Its paypal. It's probably mid transaction. If you did an echeck through your bank it can take up to 3 days usually, I only pay with credit card because if anything goes sour you can just do a charge back. 8020 is out of the picture, they just want to get paid and ship you the goods, they don't have any control over your account, they just receive when paypal releases it. My 8020 came very promptly, I think shipping took only like 3-4 days max; they are very timely about getting things on the truck.

Ordered my last week and ups delivery on schedule for tomorrow. Must not be 8020.

Joe,

I'm hoping this is the location you suggested posting to...

The 72" lengths of 25-5010 T-slot extrusions you're using on the 4x4 are flying off our eBay Store shelves (http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale?refid=store). You've obviously got the attention of a lot of folks. I just want to let you know we only have 14 of the surplus bars remaining. These bars are available at roughly 25% off normal price because they were remainders from a large factory order. Once these are gone we will be adding NEW product inventory at 72" lengths specifically for your project. However, those bars will carry NEW product pricing (Approx $70 per bar). In the event we receive any more surplus 25-5010 extrusions at or exceeding 72" we'll pre-cut to 72", discount and list at the discounted price.

Thanks Mark,

Well even at the 70.00 mark is still a good price for what they do for the machine, it is the controlling factor from which the machine is measured and based from.

mine are 74" long, which gives me an extra 2" but i designed the machines plans around the 72" for the purpose of future purchases of 72" lenth 80/20.

Joe

When talking to Mark Meyer at 8020, he indicated the same thing, its the e-check delay. Plus we had a national holiday yesterday which adds a day of transaction time. Mark also suggested to make my PayPal funding source a credit card for quicker service. So I did that for my future orders.

Sorry for cluttering up the thread.
Dave

Its paypal. It's probably mid transaction. If you did an echeck through your bank it can take up to 3 days usually, I only pay with credit card because if anything goes sour you can just do a charge back. 8020 is out of the picture, they just want to get paid and ship you the goods, they don't have any control over your account, they just receive when paypal releases it. My 8020 came very promptly, I think shipping took only like 3-4 days max; they are very timely about getting things on the truck.

I have a belt, between motors, manually sq the machine then lock down belt.

Joe

Joe, why didnt you use one motor and drive the machine with the belt? What is the down side to using belts? I want to build a 4X8 machine and thinking about using belts.

Ernie

Joe, why didnt you use one motor and drive the machine with the belt? What is the down side to using belts? I want to build a 4X8 machine and thinking about using belts.

Ernie

As stated previously if you go 4x8 you're going to really need to either get beefier ball screws ($$) or go rack and pinion, then you don't need a timing belt + pulleys. 2 motors provides substantially more power plus they are synced in mach3. The machine will function fine without a belt and pulley setup but with non commercial controllers as in not 100% reliable if you don't set them up right, the belt is an excellent insurance policy against missed steps and racking. Downside to using belts? Can't really think of one at the moment. And joe recommended it to hobbycnc controller users or equivalent. I'm going to put my gecko 203v setup to the test both ways within several days and joe is doing the same with gecko 201s. Much of the machine is user-specific; meaning the basic framework and mechanics of the machine shouldn't be altered much if at all, but these specific setups are subject to modification by the end user depending on how they will ultimately use the machine.

Joe, why didnt you use one motor and drive the machine with the belt? What is the down side to using belts? I want to build a 4X8 machine and thinking about using belts.

Ernie

yes you can do that, but an 8' machine length with belt drive you want a very high quality belt.

OK, y'all,

I just purchased my 3 lengths of 25S 25-5010 x 72" 8020 from the 'Garage Sale'. I'm looking to add the 5 packages of Econo T-nuts to the order, does anyone have a part number or link?

TIA,

8020 T Slot Hardware T Nuts 10 S 3382 (25pcs) N

You will need a minimum of (5) bags of these. I bought 6 to be sure.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Hardware-T-Nuts-10-S-3382-25pcs-N_W0QQitemZ320210314554QQihZ011QQcategoryZ42905QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

8020 T Slot Hardware T Nuts 10 S 3382 (25pcs) N

You will need a minimum of (5) bags of these. I bought 6 to be sure.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Hardware-T-Nuts-10-S-3382-25pcs-N_W0QQitemZ320210314554QQihZ011QQcategoryZ42905QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

bp092,

Thanks for the quick reply, Econo T-Nuts are ordered. I'm just waiting on my invoice from 8020 Inc Garage Sale so I can pay them. :D

Speaking of 8020 Inc Garage Sale, welcome to CNCzone MMEYER!!! Out of curiosity are you going to build one of Joe's CNC 4x4 Hybrid tables, also?

This is going to be too cool, THANKS JOE!

Yes you could do that very easily, step up to a 640 oz/in motor may work.
the only problem i may see is make sure the belt does not put pressure on the leadscrew to cause a bow in the leadscrew. I have the belt pulley on the end of the motors now.

Joe

How about using two bearings on the leadscrew, wouldn't this eleminate the bow risk?

Hager

It may not be the right time yet, but....
Any idea of what the kit price will be?

Well I only got a very few e-mails about suggestions so after allot of deliberation, and sending the unfinished (almost complete) plans to people for opinions, professionals and non-professionals alike, the senses i got has come to a conclusion that the plans are some of the best they have seen out there for building your own machine.

So for now, I am leaning towards a One month long period with a cost of 75.00 for those who have been waiting patiently, after that time frame they will go up in cost.

I still need to add a couple of more sheets for some minor clarifications, the final set will be about 25 sheets on 24"x36" sheets (PDF) and BOM and should have a build guide to go along with it.

Joe

Here you go. From what I understand there will be no kit as it would be too complex and expensive to acquire all the materials for the kit.

Plans only with build instructions but you may be able to purchase the MDF and HDPE parts from Joe, but that would be about it. At least that is what I've gathered from reading the thread.

I'm only interested in the MDF and HDPE parts. :)

I too, just purchased the last two lengths of 25S 25-5010 x 72" 8020 from the 'Garage Sale' with the t-nuts. Plently of t-nuts available. Had to order a 8 footer of 25s 25-50 for the thrid piece. All I need now is the plans to get started.

Joe put me down for complete set when their avalable.

Roger

How about using two bearings on the leadscrew, wouldn't this eleminate the bow risk?

Hager

Yes could work, we really need to have this discussion a little later, when we start to do a Mod section, for now I just want to concentrate on the base Machine, as said before it can easily be adapted for alternative and possibly cheaper mods people want to do them self, But the Basic Machine should remain the same.

Joe

Joe put me down for complete set when their avalable.

Roger

As long as you sent the e-mail as stated.

Joe

The Machine Also Uses 7 of these (4 for the Y-axis, 2 for the X-Axis and 1 for the Z-Axis) no need for any clamps, they have two setscrews built in.

This is the cheapest I have found.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=220159544003&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

Joe

Hey Joe and all, fantastic job on all your machines, especially the hybrid. I've been reading the entire thread and this is my first post. I guess I'm almost ready to start a build. My question has been touched on a little but...I'm thinking about making a 3' x 4' machine possibly, a hybrid on your hybrid. I have some 48" 30mm tool steel rod, 4 linear bearings to go with it and some misc 16mm linear for the z-axis. I was thinking about using the 4' rod for maybe the y-axis and your 80/20 v-bearing idea for the x-axis. Might be able to squeeze 3' outta the 4' rod! Sound doable? Question is instead of using 2 steppers @350oz to push the gantry on two acme screws (going with hobbycnc for exp) , would it be feasible/smart to snag a 500ish stepper, center it on the table and have two belts coming from it, pulley driven i guess, to each acme screw? Does that make since? Same idea-2 acme screws driven at same time from one stepper, controlling gantry movement? I'm extremely new to this, I'm a woodworker that has ran a CNC, knows how to use autocad and has the "i gotta make everything because its the only way i can get what i want...CHEAPER of course" attitude. So this may be the first of many posts to come. Thanks in advance for any help!

The Machine Also Uses 7 of these (4 for the Y-axis, 2 for the X-Axis and 1 for the Z-Axis) no need for any clamps, they have two setscrews built in.

This is the cheapest I have found.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=220159544003&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

Joe

Right-o,

Done, only 120 remain. Get 'em while they're hot.

Thanks, Joe.

Got mine!!

Greg

Right-o,

Done, only 120 remain. Get 'em while they're hot.

Thanks, Joe.

they go fast 106 left now, but not to worry, here is another listing, must be affiliated with each other, same town in Tennessee, same price, different company and different seller user name. But they have 147 of them listed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=320137802666&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

Joe

Ok, scratch my last post about 1 stepper instead of 2...completely overlooked post 402, this thread is flying by with post, hard to keep up! Sorry bout that

Got my 8020 ordered yesterday, they had 11 left then. Got the flange bearings ordered this morning.

Cheers
dewalt58

For every on in the community. I'm some what new to this thread. I've been following other threads on building a CNC machines. From what I can tell, their many forms with good ideas for the community to look at. I'm semi retired and now ready to build. Previous experience has been in large robotic machines, missile launchers, gun mounts, etc. in design and research.

I hope I'll be able to make make a good contributions to this form.

FYI: 8020 has an additional 200 pc available of 80/20 Inc METRIC 25 Series 50mm x 100mm T-Slot Aluminum Extrusion, Part #25-5010 x 72" or 1829mm Long. Price is higher than befor.

Thanks,

Joe, Outstanding work.

For every on in the community. I'm some what new to this thread. I've been following other threads on building a CNC machines. From what I can tell, their many forms with good ideas for the community to look at. I'm semi retired and now ready to build. Previous experience has been in large robotic machines, missile launchers, gun mounts, etc. in design and research.

I hope I'll be able to make make a good contributions to this form.

FYI: 8020 has an additional 200 pc available of 80/20 Inc METRIC 25 Series 50mm x 100mm T-Slot Aluminum Extrusion, Part #25-5010 x 72" or 1829mm Long. Price is higher than befor.

Thanks,

Joe, Outstanding work.

Can you post link to the 80/20 here so others do not have to search their store for it.

Thanks, Joe

FYI: 8020 has an additional 200 pc available of 80/20 Inc METRIC 25 Series 50mm x 100mm T-Slot Aluminum Extrusion, Part #25-5010 x 72" or 1829mm Long. Price is higher than befor.

We just added new #25-5010 inventory at the 72" length. Last night, all of the remaining discounted surplus #25-5010 inventory at or over 72" was sold. Our inventory is a mix of new product and surplus or "scrath-n-dent" stuff. The surplus items are discounted from list price at various levels due to condition or a large overstock quantity but our new items are available at the standard list price.

The #25-5010 x 72" new inventory is a regular stock item. We will have it available expressly for this CNC project as long as the demanbd is there so there is no rush on your part. However, given the run on this product I suspect any additional cheaper-priced surplus pieces of #25-5010 will go fast.

Can you post link to the 80/20 here so others do not have to search their store for it.

Thanks, Joe

This will get you there: http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale?refid=store

The link to Ebay 8020 is as follows:

http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-T-Slot-Aluminum-Extrusion-25-S-25-5010-x-72-N_W0QQitemZ220195066357QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31489QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Theres 200 New at a price of $71.15 left as of now 1/23/08 8:51am.

Cheers
dewalt58

Welcome to the group RJbeyer!!

Cheers
dewalt58

bp092,
Speaking of 8020 Inc Garage Sale, welcome to CNCzone MMEYER!!! Out of curiosity are you going to build one of Joe's CNC 4x4 Hybrid tables, also?

Ha! My biggest nightmare is assembling a bike Christmas morning! I'd be hopeless with this big, beautiful project! The last two days of browsing through listings and references to this machine has been a real eye-opener. You guys are absolutely awesome!

Fortunately for you I don't have your skills. If I did I would probably be so busy building with our stuff that I wouldn't take the time to sell it. We do love our stuff and really enjoy seeing applications in action. We also love selling the cheaper surplus items - it's a more economical. less risky way for experimentation. I posted a link to our store in a different reply but just in case, here it is again: http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale?refid=store

Also, although we,ve been registered and are a paid advertiser on CNC Zone I have had very little experience with Forums. I trust one of youwill let me know if I'm doing anything wrong or violating any standard courtesies...

Joe, Isent the information to joecnc2006@yahoo.com.

Thanks,

Roger

T minus 1... hopefully :)

T minus 1... hopefully :)

Getting really close. Hopefully by midnight Friday (I hate when a full time job gets in the way of hobbies). I will send e-mail to those who replied, I have them all saved and will go in order.

Joe

Is everybody excited yet?!!!! I am... I wish I knew more about the controls for this set-up. I checked out Hobbycnc and they didn't think their control would work for me. I have additional ideas for the gantry. I'm thinking to put a spindle motor on it to drill pilot holes for my oxy torch. Any ideas?

Good job Joe!

mark

Joe,
I know you are using a 2 turns per inch acme. I assume you are using 200 step/rev steppers. Question: What step mode do are you setting your drivers too. 1/8th step? 1/4 step? I'm just curious. I have the Keling driver, and it will step down to 1/8 (I'm pretty sure)
Thanks,
Dave

Getting really close. Hopefully by midnight Friday (I hate when a full time job gets in the way of hobbies). I will send e-mail to those who replied, I have them all saved and will go in order.

Joe

As long it's before Saturday afternoon that is fine with me. That way I can go to the Hardware store and load up my trailer with needed goodies!:):cool: The wife might not like it, as I'll be MIA the rest of the weekend.

Joe,
I know you are using a 2 turns per inch acme. I assume you are using 200 step/rev steppers. Question: What step mode do are you setting your drivers too. 1/8th step? 1/4 step? I'm just curious. I have the Keling driver, and it will step down to 1/8 (I'm pretty sure)
Thanks,
Dave

for testing on the Hobbycnc board I used 1/8 micro stepping, The G201's i have are fixed at 10 micro steps.

Joe

T'was the night before plans reveal,
All over the Zone,
The users were anxious,
They were ready to squeal.:banana:

Joe sure raised their interest,
Those Toms, Dicks, & Harrys,
Zone members all patient,
Holding new plans soon ends their quest.:wee:

I'd better stop.........

Thanks for all the great work you have put into this Joe!:cheers:
(Respectfully posted WT)

This THING is going to be a BEAST!!!

I've run cable over, under and through (thank you Sesame Street) and climbed in and around electrical strut support when running cable in schools, office buildings, etc. You just don't have any appreciation of the size of the stuff until you get a 10' piece of it in the confined space of your basement! I'll definitely have to add a cheapo Harbor Freight metal cutoff saw and a set of trailer jacks with casters to my build list.

Joe and bp092, do you have a 'guestimate' on the weight of the complete table?

My 1/2" 4-bolt flange bearings are scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, the excitement builds...

:cheers:,

Joe sure raised their interest,
Those Toms, Dicks, & Harrys,

I don't know about the Toms and Dicks are but it has definitely piqued Harry's interest. :D

Nice go at the poetry, Weldtutor. :rainfro:

Three posts in a row, I'm on a roll. BINGO... Uh, I mean Tic-Tac-Toe.

Joe,

Once you start selling your plans, and the cat is out of the bag so-to-speak, what is going to be your official policy concerning the level of detail posted in build logs, the posting of alternate parts supplier information and associated part numbers, build tips, etc?

You might want to make a statement before all of your hard work is 'freely' available.

Just trying to protect your interest and future revenue stream. ;)

Thanks,

This THING is going to be a BEAST!!!

I've run cable over, under and through (thank you Sesame Street) and climbed in and around electrical strut support when running cable in schools, office buildings, etc. You just don't have any appreciation of the size of the stuff until you get a 10' piece of it in the confined space of your basement! I'll definitely have to add a cheapo Harbor Freight metal cutoff saw and a set of trailer jacks with casters to my build list.

Joe and bp092, do you have a 'guestimate' on the weight of the complete table?

My 1/2" 4-bolt flange bearings are scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, the excitement builds...

:cheers:,



This is probably not 100% accurate, but i would think it is pretty close, within 5% or so. (straight out of Solidworks)

Mass properties of Joes CNC 4x4 Hybrid ( Assembly Configuration - Default )

Output coordinate System: -- default --

Density = 0.07 pounds per cubic inch

Mass = 291.64 pounds

Volume = 4424.14 cubic inches

Surface area = 34965.47 inches^2

Center of mass: ( inches )
X = -9.41
Y = -30.82
Z = 4.86

Principal axes of inertia and principal moments of inertia: ( pounds * square inches )
Taken at the center of mass.
Ix = (-0.01, 1.00, -0.01) Px = 174207.98
Iy = (0.06, 0.01, 1.00) Py = 200480.65
Iz = (1.00, 0.01, -0.06) Pz = 291300.93

Moments of inertia: ( pounds * square inches )
Taken at the center of mass and aligned with the output coordinate system.
Lxx = 290987.94 Lxy = -1236.82 Lxz = 5212.92
Lyx = -1236.82 Lyy = 174223.96 Lyz = -220.54
Lzx = 5212.92 Lzy = -220.54 Lzz = 200777.65

Joe

Three posts in a row, I'm on a roll. BINGO... Uh, I mean Tic-Tac-Toe.

Joe,

Once you start selling your plans, and the cat is out of the bag so-to-speak, what is going to be your official policy concerning the level of detail posted in build logs, the posting of alternate parts supplier information and associated part numbers, build tips, etc?

You might want to make a statement before all of your hard work is 'freely' available.

Just trying to protect your interest and future revenue stream. ;)

Thanks,

Well I have thought about that, people posting pictures asking question and screen capture of plans etc.

I was thinking maybe making a forum for those who purchase the plans and they will have access to ask questions and read the forum. In a forum form instead of yahoo group you can post a picture, and get direct awnsers better, from me as well as others, and also can post mods, changes and additions.

Any one want to set one up and give me access to all of the places on it? I just do not have experiance in it and will tie up my time if i try to learn the boards.

Joe

I guess that just bepends on if this is a business or a hobby. Don't get me wrong, I think Joe has every right to protect all the hard work he has done and deserves a monetary return on it. What was the result when the Joe2006 was released? I for one am in it for the long haul with Joe. I bet Joe is already thinking of the next "new" project that will be bigger and better than the Hybrid. I think that this community has better ethics and will do what every is right. If a private forum is the best way then I'm in. That will be Joe's call. Look forward to doing whatever is right by Joe.

Greg

Mass properties of Joes CNC 4x4 Hybrid ( Assembly Configuration - Default )

Mass = 291.64 pounds

Hmmm, that's a bit lighter than I was figuring. I was up in the 400-450 lb. range on my guess. Maybe I'll skip the trailer jacks and purchase a decent set of casters with a locking mechanism. That weight distributed over 4-6 heavy duty casters doesn't amount to that much weight per caster. It's really not that much more than a big guy in an office chair.

Well I have thought about that, people posting pictures asking question and screen capture of plans etc.

I was thinking maybe making a forum for those who purchase the plans and they will have access to ask questions and read the forum. In a forum form instead of yahoo group you can post a picture, and get direct answers better, from me as well as others, and also can post mods, changes and additions.

Any one want to set one up and give me access to all of the places on it? I just do not have experience in it and will tie up my time if i try to learn the boards.

Joe,

I'm sure someone with considerable experience setting up and maintaining a Forum will volunteer. I'd be happy to help you out but my experience has been on the user end of the forums and not the setup or the nitty-gritty maintenance details. Although I'm willing to learn and give a hand if needed. Are you thinking of something along the lines of CNCzone or more like the LumenLab paid access forum style? Maybe a combination of both styles, a free access area for the JoeCNC 2006 builders & plans to whet everyones appetite along with a restricted area for purchasers of Joe's CNC 4x4 Hybrid plans.

Another interesting project unto itself. First things first, though, I guess.

Until L8r,

I have gotten a couple of messages here on the zone about the plans, but i asked in a previous post to be e-mailed, and not to send message on here. a little while ago an I got a message and the individual who messaged me, I can not even ask him to send e-mail instead, because he has his messages set to not recieve any.

So Once again Please send e-mail instead of message here on CNCZone.

For those who have sent me an e-mail I have a list in a seperate folder and will repond to your e-mail request with instructions.

I will disable my messages on here just for a couple of days or so, to avoid this.

Thanks, Joe

Hello all! I just wanted to send you guys a message about how glad we are that you are using our bearings in your projects. Over a two day period of time 23 of you purchased from our ebay store. Thank you for that. If any one does not like eBay and would like to buy direct from our site here is a link to the 1/2" bearing you need http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-68/1-fdsh-2%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail?sfs=47e19780 Thanks again for your business and good luck with your CNC project! -Kevin

Well I have thought about that, people posting pictures asking question and screen capture of plans etc.

I was thinking maybe making a forum for those who purchase the plans and they will have access to ask questions and read the forum. In a forum form instead of yahoo group you can post a picture, and get direct awnsers better, from me as well as others, and also can post mods, changes and additions.

Any one want to set one up and give me access to all of the places on it? I just do not have experiance in it and will tie up my time if i try to learn the boards.

Joe

Hey Joe, I can probly help you out. I do cad and website design. I can walk you through making your own board or if I have time here in the next week or so, I can put one up for you. They are not difficult to change. Since it will be members only that will keep all of the spammers off which is the hardest part of maintaining a board. I have one myself and had to turn of registration cause human spammers were killing me. You will just need a place to host the board. I have space for it but I shutter to think of the bandwidth your forums could turn..... if you are intrested just let me know. Here is my forum http://www.ahh-halloween.com/forums

Anyone looking at future mods of this machine might make a note of the link that thebearingstore posted above as they also carry roller chain along with a bunch of flange and pillow block bearings.

Hello all! I just wanted to send you guys a message about how glad we are that you are using our bearings in your projects. Over a two day period of time 23 of you purchased from our ebay store. Thank you for that. If any one does not like eBay and would like to buy direct from our site here is a link to the 1/2" bearing you need http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-68/1-fdsh-2%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail?sfs=47e19780 Thanks again for your business and good luck with your CNC project! -Kevin

Kevin, Welcome and thanks for your support.

Joe

Hello all! I just wanted to send you guys a message about how glad we are that you are using our bearings in your projects. Over a two day period of time 23 of you purchased from our ebay store. Thank you for that. If any one does not like eBay and would like to buy direct from our site here is a link to the 1/2" bearing you need http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-68/1-fdsh-2%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail?sfs=47e19780 Thanks again for your business and good luck with your CNC project! -Kevin


Just received my bearings from thebearingstore and they look GREAT. In addition to that, they must have shipped the same day I ordered because I have never received anything as fast as their box and they are several states away from me. Kudos to them for a great product and great service.

Very FAST service from Kevin!! Ordered on Tuesday evening and received them the next day!!! WOW! Thanks Kevin!!!!! Yes, the Flange Bearings do look good, Very heavy duty looking, should work well for this new 4x4 machine. Just waiting on 80/20 now, still no email from them yet with a ship date. I assume they are swamped with orders, placed order with them on Wednesday morning. All this makes one feel like a kid at Christmas, waiting for Santa Claus tonight at midnight. LOL

Cheers
dewalt58

Got email from Joe and payment sent. Just waiting on plans to be emailed. Can't wait.

Greg

Same here Greg!!!!! Are we there yet????:)

Cheers
dewalt58

Not yet, but we're getting there. :cheers:

Hello all! I just wanted to send you guys a message about how glad we are that you are using our bearings in your projects. Over a two day period of time 23 of you purchased from our ebay store. Thank you for that. If any one does not like eBay and would like to buy direct from our site here is a link to the 1/2" bearing you need http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-68/1-fdsh-2%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail?sfs=47e19780 Thanks again for your business and good luck with your CNC project! -Kevin

Kevin,

Thanks for the super fast order processing and shipping, my bearings were waiting for me when I got home from work today. :D They look heavy duty enough to last for a while, there's even a grease fitting so it'll be easy to keep 'em lubed and running smooth. Do you have any recommendations on the type of lubricant we should be using?

I suspect you'll have a lot more than 23 orders in the very near future. You better make sure you keep enough stock to keep up with Joe's plans. ;)

Great doing business with you,

Hello all! I just wanted to send you guys a message about how glad we are that you are using our bearings in your projects. Over a two day period of time 23 of you purchased from our ebay store. Thank you for that. If any one does not like eBay and would like to buy direct from our site here is a link to the 1/2" bearing you need http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-68/1-fdsh-2%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail?sfs=47e19780 (http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-68/1-fdsh-2%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail?sfs=47e19780) Thanks again for your business and good luck with your CNC project! -Kevin
Hey Kevin,
Thanks for the GREAT SERVICE and SPEEDY DELIVERY! WOW, I already have my package. 7 great looking bearings. A great deal too. I think I ordered them yesterday. Unbelievably they are spherical bearings too. I was wondering about the angular alignment.

JoeCNC2006,
You sure did pick out some great hardware.

Now I'm just waiting on the 8020 aluminum delivery. Regarding my lost paypal funds, the 6 day wait for the "Instant eCheck purchase" is over. I should be getting that delivery soon too. The Paypal marketing is almost funny, "instant purchase" indeed.
Looking forward to getting started with the build.

Great idea about the new forum to support your drawings.
Dave

PS, For those of you ordering the bearings, look out for loose zerk fittings in the packaging. I found one missing, but it was in the box loose. No big deal, just keep a lookout for the loose ones.

Some of your flange bearings may come off center by the way, just tap them with a block and mallet back in place and they will snap perfect, joe noticed the same thing, not to worry if anyone gets any like that.

Just waiting on 80/20 now, still no email from them yet with a ship date. I assume they are swamped with orders, placed order with them on Wednesday morning.

Cheers
dewalt58

dewalt58,

It looks like you placed your order 22 minutes after mine. No need to worry yet, I received notice from Mollie at 80/20 Surplus that my order was shipped today. Thanks Mollie.

I owe many thanks to Mark at 80/20 also. I placed my 80/20 order and didn't know that I had inadvertently messed it up until later when I realized that I had never received any order confirmation from 80/20. When I went back to check, I noticed that I had never updated my eBay account email address from when the ISP I'd used for over a decade went out of business unexpectedly, with less than 30 days notice. After updating my eBay email address and several frantic emails to 8020inc and a PM to MMEYER (it may have even been his first PM from someone on CNCzone :) ), Mark quickly got everything squared away so that I could complete the transaction. Mark's personal attention, timely communication, and focus on customer service has made 80/20 Surplus a pleasure to deal with. Keep up the good work.

Mark, I'd like to offer a suggestion. I think it would be cool (and maybe profitable for you) if you could start a thread showcasing some of the more interesting and inspiring uses of 80/20 Surplus products. CNCzone users could chime in and add their 80/20 projects to the thread as well. It's just a thought.

Respectfully,

I got my tracking # on my 8020 order today. I guess they have caught up from the onslaught on Wednesday.

Plans are done, we are just working on the BOM to insert then i will start making the PDF's to send out.

Also working on getting a forum up so people can get personalized help with the build from me, Brian and whoever else wants to chime in. and share experiances as well as mods (which is always fun).

I think it is going to be a very nice group of people building the machine.

Joe

Look forward to it Joe.

Greg

I hope you guys will keep posting here as well. I love following the builds. I can't jump in just yet, I just completed the joe 2006 and if I started another machine now...

Hi joe,
Happy for you this hybrid works out great for you and other in line for your plans
In reference for a “joeCNC” private group, I’m sure you and others know about Gerald’s Mechmate group.
This is a type of a working group format I believe you should consider for your hybrid & other futur projects. I’m no brianer on the about, how or with what it is done, but look and navigates the same as this CNCzone format. easy & nice !
Some thoughts… Amicalement, Robert M:)

Also working on getting a forum up so people can get personalized help with the build from me, Brian and whoever else wants to chime in. and share experiances as well as mods (which is always fun).

Why not just use the Blogs (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/blog.php) here on cnczone?

It can be a members only blog (a couple of checkbox) by creating your own contact list, anyone not on the list can't read it, except the mods.

You can add files, images.

It can have several catagories (machine files, software files, etc...).

It's as easy to post & read as this thread.

Won't cost you anything. :)

Note:
I havn't tried all the features yet, in the Blog Control Panel (blocking non-members, etc...).

.

Excellent set of plans Joe. Looking forward to this build.

Greg

Excellent set of plans Joe. Looking forward to this build.

Greg

Thanks for the compliment.

I have never done a machine set of plans so I believe just by the plans them selves you are able to build the machine, I tried to provide alot of info on the 26 full size sheets.

If you do not recieve your plans by lets say 5:00 today please let me know and i will see what the problem is (e-mail me)

Thanks again, Joe

Joe-

How big is the file? I'm hoping my mail server is set to handle the size.

James

Joe-

How big is the file? I'm hoping my mail server is set to handle the size.

James

2.5meg you should not have a problem. I worked it to keep the file size smaller.

p.s. you are next in e-mail line.

joe

I am shooting for Friday for the plans, and then will send out doc file a few days later.

Hopefully this date will be good, and i will send out e-mail to those who e-mailed me about being interested.

Joe

Joe,
Are you still planning on sending out the doc files later?:)

Joe,
Are you still planning on sending out the doc files later?:)

Yes doc file will be available hopefully this coming week.

Joe

Thanks for the compliment.

I have never done a machine set of plans so I believe just by the plans them selves you are able to build the machine, I tried to provide alot of info on the 26 full size sheets.

If you do not recieve your plans by lets say 5:00 today please let me know and i will see what the problem is (e-mail me)

Thanks again, Joe

Thanks for the plans Joe.

One suggestion. You might want to send the parts list to Bolt Depot and have them throw together a package for Joe's Hybrid 4x4. That way you could click one button and they could ship you all the stuff. It would probably be easier for them as well as the user.

Bill

Thanks for the plans Joe.

One suggestion. You might want to send the parts list to Bolt Depot and have them throw together a package for Joe's Hybrid 4x4. That way you could click one button and they could ship you all the stuff. It would probably be easier for them as well as the user.

Bill

Some people will want exact numbers other may want surplus.


Joe

Some people will want exact numbers other may want surplus.


Joe

Surplus is better.... But I see your point. I just remember that CNC Tool camp router had a similar order button through 8020. Perhaps when you get your user only site going, I will take on that project and post the link there. However, one of the issues I see is that the BOM of each individual page specify the information needed to order parts for that portion of the machine but the complete BOM at page three does not include enough information to order from. Example 1/4" x 1/2" machine screws doesn't tell you the type of head on the screw, phillips or standard..... I am just trying to help you make a good product fantastic. I don't mean to criticize except for constructively. Hope I have not offended, just hoping to give help if needed.



Bill

Bill,

Joe's BOM is user specific, it's a guideline. You can use whatever fasteners you like, it's just what is available to you. Many of you keep mini hardware stores in your shops and will probably find much of what this machine requires. Also I emphasize this again and joe has, buy in bulk, buy at once and make sure you buy more than you need. I have a 100 case box of every type of nut and bolt on this build in my shop and saved much time from doing this. I can't tell you how many times I got held up because I needed 2 or 3 more of something, its easier to just buy it at once. First part of this week I will contact bolt depot to put together a package deal, I doubt they will give a significant discount but it does raise the possibility of them providing a link with everything, almost a mirror of my past order invoices only available to whomever wishes to purchase that bundle. Considering the business done for 8020 and the bearing supplier and the vbearing supplier, I'm sure they won't mind doing the same.

Bill,

Joe's BOM is user specific, it's a guideline. You can use whatever fasteners you like, it's just what is available to you. Many of you keep mini hardware stores in your shops and will probably find much of what this machine requires. Also I emphasize this again and joe has, buy in bulk, buy at once and make sure you buy more than you need. I have a 100 case box of every type of nut and bolt on this build in my shop and saved much time from doing this. I can't tell you how many times I got held up because I needed 2 or 3 more of something, its easier to just buy it at once. First part of this week I will contact bolt depot to put together a package deal, I doubt they will give a significant discount but it does raise the possibility of them providing a link with everything, almost a mirror of my past order invoices only available to whomever wishes to purchase that bundle. Considering the business done for 8020 and the bearing supplier and the vbearing supplier, I'm sure they won't mind doing the same.


Great!

Ease of construction is actually more important to me than discounts. Having spare fasteners around is a real time saver during construction. The bearing place had a nice little turn of business this weekend because folks suddenly bought (7) 1/2" bearings. It might be easy for him if he knew in advance what people order so he can prepackage or at least think about future inventory amounts.... Everybody wins. In todays market, the easier you make things for a consumer, the more successful you will be. Joe's Hybrid is about to be a raving success, which will feed the growth of several businesses which supply the parts. Everybody wins.

Thanks to everyone involved in this project.

Bill

Joe,

Thank you for the excellent plans.

I'm going down the BOM and ordering hardware as specified and needed.

I've got a quick question about the V-Bearings, though. I was going to order from Superior as noted in the supplier column but they don't appear to take orders via the web. What a bummer.

Is there a difference between those V-bearings and the ones available from CadCamCadCam.com? Or, can I just go ahead a place an order for the V-bearings and bushings from CadCamCadCam.com and be done with it?

BTW, my wife is going to go berserk over the credit card bill. (chair) I've also recruited my daughter to help me with the construction. She's a teenager and probably less than ecstatic since it will take away from her cell phone time. ;)

Thanks for sharing the fun,

Will there be a kit available for the cut pieces of the machine. I do not currently have a machine and looking for a high quality way of producing these. Thanks to everyone for the work put into this.

We called Superior bearings for them, but yes imservice does have the same bearings and bushings #2.

Joe

Joe,

Just received your plans for the 4X4. They look great. Fantastic Job. Now I know why it took so long.

Just one question. What is the best way to print a hard copy?

Thanks for all of your effort.

Ernie

I would say take it to your favorite office supply store such as Staples or Kinko's and get them to print it for you.

Joe you have made a very nice set of plans. I look at drawing everyday and I wish architects would put in there drawings as much detail as you have in this set. I don’t see any guess work here. Looking forward to this build


Thanks again for your hard work on these drawings :):):):)

Rick

Joe, i was wondering if you ever did any performance comparison between using Gecko Drives or the HobbyCNC board.

I know the hobbycnc will drive this puppy, but how noticable is the difference between the controllers?

Joe, i was wondering if you ever did any performance comparison between using Gecko Drives or the HobbyCNC board.

I know the hobbycnc will drive this puppy, but how noticable is the difference between the controllers?

Well not a while lot of difference in speed the nema23 will limit that and lead screws of course. but feeding 74vdc into the geckos and motors, I can not stop it by pushing on it, the hobby cnc will stall if i push real hard, but that is not normal so they work good.

to get the most out of the gecko's you would switch to Nema34's but cost will climb, I provided plans for a basic machine an anyone can upgrade where they feel the need to.

Mine is running steady at 160ipm which is plenty fast for me, all my g-codes are at 100 anyway and thats what i cut at. with rapids at 160ipm.

Joe

Is there something wrong with CNCzone as I haven't had an email in at least 36 hours titled Reply to post 'Joe's CNC 4x4 Hybrid' -"Do not reply to this email" ;)

Everyone must be busy building 4x4's!

Good luck all and enjoy. I might have to buy the plans just so I can keep tabs on the new private forum. Still want to build one, but not just yet.

Cheers,

Claudio

Claudio,
When you do jump in, you're really going to enjoy the build. I've got the base legs assembled and the size is awesome. I can cut all the MDF with my JGRO cnc router, and the metal work is all bolt together.

The MDF part of the design is also fully dimensioned, so it can be cut with normal hand tools too. So if this is your first cnc, then you'll need to start with band saws and drill presses. That's a snap with the full sized templates Joe provides.

Yes a few are busy, looking over the plans and a few already starting to build.

Good to see you're having fun.

I've got a router, but has a very small cutting area of around 8" x 9". And I just bought another which does 8" x 21".

"My name is Claudio, and I'm a CNCaholic!"

Joe, what is the size of the biggest parts that need to be cut and how much modification is required (if any) to use metric thickness MDF / HDPE.

Cheers,

Claudio

Good to see you're having fun.

I've got a router, but has a very small cutting area of around 8" x 9". And I just bought another which does 8" x 21".

"My name is Claudio, and I'm a CNCaholic!"

Joe, what is the size of the biggest parts that need to be cut and how much modification is required (if any) to use metric thickness MDF / HDPE.

Cheers,

Claudio

The tallest piece is 20" and the widest is 8.5".

yes plans can be easily adapted.

Joe

Joe,

Just received your plans for the 4X4. They look great. Fantastic Job. Now I know why it took so long.

Just one question. What is the best way to print a hard copy?

Thanks for all of your effort.

Ernie

I can probably get them printed for you allot cheaper than kinko's or others.

Joe

Joe,

I sent payment for the 4x4 plans.

mark

Joe,
How much would you charge to print these at 24" x 36"? I just took my CD to Kinko's and they are making more than a healthy profit from what they quoted. If I get them printed on 11" x 17" it would only be $4.50 but they wanted $117 to print on the larger format. Needless to say, I don't have a nice large set of prints yet.

Joe,
How much would you charge to print these at 24" x 36"? I just took my CD to Kinko's and they are making more than a healthy profit from what they quoted. If I get them printed on 11" x 17" it would only be $4.50 but they wanted $117 to print on the larger format. Needless to say, I don't have a nice large set of prints yet.

I can get them printed and shipped for 45.00, I have contacts at blue print company, where we send all our plans to.

Joe

The company joe had do the plans is awesome, very good printer, cheap and fast turn around.

O.K how does one order a complete set of printed plans?

O.K how does one order a complete set of printed plans?

Well right now i have been offering the plans for 75.00, so that plus 45.00. you can just e-mail me.

Well I am really surprised no one made any offers on the proto machine, i need to get rid of it, otherwise I will have no choice but to dismantle it and have spare parts.

It has everything Ready to run minus computer, even comes with the Hitachi router.

Joe,

We don't want to miss out on all the fun building one with you...

What are you thinking you would want for it?

Walt

Joe,
How much would you charge to print these at 24" x 36"? I just took my CD to Kinko's and they are making more than a healthy profit from what they quoted. If I get them printed on 11" x 17" it would only be $4.50 but they wanted $117 to print on the larger format. Needless to say, I don't have