Has anyone actually seen V22 yet?
There isn't any information about it on the BObCAD website.
I know it was shown at IMTS and I'm interested in some specific things.

1) Does it have toolpath/geometry associativity?
2) Can Solids be modeled directly within V22?
3) Can it import and export SAT, STEP and ParaSolid files?
4) What type of Post-Processor setup does it have?
5) Has anyone seen it actually output NC Code?
6) What kind of toolpath verification does it have?
7) How does it handle RS-232 Serial Communication and NC File editing?
8) Is there an API or any kind of Macro support?

Version 22 was shown at IMTS in Chicago. The resulting feedback was nothing but positive. Here are the answers to your questions below:

1. Yes. The system offers an associative job tree and a lot of new functions geared toward automation.
2. Yes. All of the modeling, geometry construction and surface creation features in V21 are still in the system as well as other features to speed up design. The system is fully OpenGL so that you can draw with solids rather than only view a wireframe of the solid.
3. Yes. STL has been added.
4. Posting has been vastly improved and does not require scripting. Post can be defined by the user.
5. Yes. Several hundred.
6. There is new simulation and verification added that is superior to the V21.
7. RS 232 has not changes.
8. Right now there is no support for OpenAPI applications or scripting.

Hope this helps.
CNC Dude

Hi Chris

8. Right now there is no support for OpenAPI applications or scripting.


I bet that will come before too long but in the meantime.....lets start having some fun with all the new stuff we do have!:cheers:

Those big guys had better watch out! For Bobcad pricing with all these features they are bound to knock down some barriers

doesn't really apply to functionality but is the software still going to be code activated or will a security dongle be implemented?

We will see the final outcome as that is always up to the big guys but for now it will be dongle!

With all the hype HERE about V22, why doesn't BobCAD have any information about V22 on it's own website?

From a marketing standpoint, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to be hyping your own product everywhere but on your own website.


When will a demo be available?

With all the hype HERE about V22, why doesn't BobCAD have any information about V22 on it's own website?

From a marketing standpoint, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to be hyping your own product everywhere but on your own website.


When will a demo be available?

Tim M.

This might be a good question for BCC to answer, because we are only BCC users. This is a Valid Point on the Subject of V22. I was also wondering why there is no mention on the BCC Forum with the exceptions of threads that I presonally started.

Hopefully Chris will stop in and Chat with us about this, but they (BCC) I imagine are very busy Developing V22.

I wish there was an easy answer to your questions.

With all the hype HERE about V22, why doesn't BobCAD have any information about V22 on it's own website?

From a marketing standpoint, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to be hyping your own product everywhere but on your own website.


After being in a position as a Sales technical support I can answer that one (at least with my opinion).

They are still trying to sell V21. If they advertised the V22 on their sight then those that look at it would not want anything at all to do with Version 21. Sending out the hype and showing a direct comparison is different. They would lose all sells until V22 released and this would not be good. Right now they are saying....Someday (we can't tell you when) we will have V22 but for now here is a very good V21. If they advertise it there then it will look like it is ready to buy.

After being in a position as a Sales technical support I can answer that one (at least with my opinion).

They are still trying to sell V21. If they advertised the V22 on their sight then those that look at it would not want anything at all to do with Version 21. Sending out the hype and showing a direct comparison is different. They would lose all sells until V22 released and this would not be good. Right now they are saying....Someday (we can't tell you when) we will have V22 but for now here is a very good V21. If they advertise it there then it will look like it is ready to buy.

That's just pure nonsense.

All the major players in this industry are always advertising what is coming in the next major release.

It's never stopped Mastercam or SolidWorks from making a sale by advertising the status of the next version and it's release schedule.

Mastercam has a direct link to information about Version X2 on it's main page.
Do you honestly believe it's stopping them from selling Version X right now?

It appears to be nothing more than laziness to not put something up on the Website especially when their Sales Director is posting information about it here.

What BobCAD has coming looks really good and is a big move forward.
It would be nice if they took affirmative steps to let people and potential customers, like myself, know what we can expect in detail.

Will V22 support Lathe?

I think the information provided on this site alone gives you a pretty good idea of what to expect.... don't you? Also keep in mind that there is a ton of testing being done with the new V22 also. Until the testing is through it shouldn't be advertised on our site.

I think the information provided on this site alone gives you a pretty good idea of what to expect.... don't you? Also keep in mind that there is a ton of testing being done with the new V22 also. Until the testing is through it shouldn't be advertised on our site.

No, I don't think so.
NOTHING on this site presents V22 in a comprehensive and concise manner.

Testing has nothing to do with what to expect in the next version.
If that was the case, why show it at IMTS at all?
That show is primarily to make immediate and short-term sales.

I have a specific need for a production CAM system for Mill & Turn.
I'm ready to buy right now. The few bits I could find about V22 look impressive.

I can't get any information about a pricing, a release date, Beta-Testing or evaluation availability.
I can't get any information about Lathe support.
As it stands right now, as a practical matter, V22 is nothing more than Vaporware.

(flame2)

Been there done that...nonsence or not. This is high sales volume not high price. Different world my friend.

The big players are at the tool show and they buy no matter the cost. Not to say some of us smaller ones wouldn't go. Just that we don't go to spend a $1000. Well I could go into a huge debate but I won't. But I can say I have been in more than a few sales meetings concerning machine and software.

I have never sat in on Bobcad so anything we say here is pure speculation. So why argue when a Bobcad tech or sales says anything......The fact is "we" the end user just do not know yet what or when to expect.

No, I don't think so.
NOTHING on this site presents V22 in a comprehensive and concise manner.

Testing has nothing to do with what to expect in the next version.
If that was the case, why show it at IMTS at all?
That show is primarily to make immediate and short-term sales.

I have a specific need for a production CAM system for Mill & Turn.
I'm ready to buy right now. The few bits I could find about V22 look impressive.

I can't get any information about a pricing, a release date, Beta-Testing or evaluation availability.
I can't get any information about Lathe support.
As it stands right now, as a practical matter, V22 is nothing more than Vaporware.

Please understand that I'm not trying to get you upset but there is alot of information on the zone about our new software. If you have an immediate job you need to do let me know and we will do a demo to see if it can be done in V21. If not V22 will be out soon. Also this statement you have made is way off.(That show is primarily to make immediate and short-term sales.) Yes we sold alot of software atr the show however sales will come from this show for the next year and then some. (877)262-2231 Brett

Please understand that I'm not trying to get you upset but there is alot of information on the zone about our new software. If you have an immediate job you need to do let me know and we will do a demo to see if it can be done in V21. If not V22 will be out soon. Also this statement you have made is way off.(That show is primarily to make immediate and short-term sales.) Yes we sold alot of software atr the show however sales will come from this show for the next year and then some. (877)262-2231 Brett

Does it support Lathe?

What will V22 cost?

Yes it will support the lathe. And I do not know what the cost will be on the version 22 will be as no figures have been released yet.

These are very good things to hear Launch. Thanks for the additional information on V22.:cheers:

If there isn't any REAL information coming from BobCAD before Halloween, all the postings in here are nothing more than shilling for a nonexistent product.

Either V22 exists and is available for sale or it isn't.

As it stands right now, it doesn't and it isn't.
Not a single unbiased posting from someone who saw BobCAD at IMTS.

All this nonsense coming from BobCAD Sales about V22 is just that.
It reminds of of when SurfCAM was hyping SurfCAM NC Solids.
Plenty of hype for nothing but vaporware that was never released.

Do you mean like the barracuda?

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5026&highlight=barracuda

All this nonsense coming from BobCAD Sales about V22 is just that.
It reminds of of when SurfCAM was hyping SurfCAM NC Solids.
Plenty of hype for nothing but vaporware that was never released.

Not to get off track from the thread, but Surfcam did release Surfcam Solids, and it sure made a big difference in utility. I didn't have to do 3D wireframe and surfacing any more. While it had it's limitations, it was still pretty slick. Of course, Surfcam comes with Solidworks now, and that is really nice.

Not to get off track from the thread, but Surfcam did release Surfcam Solids, and it sure made a big difference in utility. I didn't have to do 3D wireframe and surfacing any more. While it had it's limitations, it was still pretty slick. Of course, Surfcam comes with Solidworks now, and that is really nice.



You're confusing SUrfCAM Solids with NC Solids.

SurfCAM Solids is/was nothing more than SolidWorks limited to designing part files.

SurfCAM NC Solids was the vaporware CAM product that was supposed to be native within SolidWorks and was never released.

You're confusing SUrfCAM Solids with NC Solids.

SurfCAM Solids is/was nothing more than SolidWorks limited to designing part files. [/qoute]

No, Surfcam Solids was an A3DS Paralogix based modeler that Surfware licensed and released in 2003. As I said, it was a big step forward, albeit somewhat limited.

Surfware has partnered with Solidworks to bundle Solidworks PDO (part design only), but it isn't called Surfcam Solids. (Picking a minor nit! ) There's a lot of info if you Google "Surfcam Solids".

http://manufacturing.cadalyst.com/manufacturing/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=99775

[quote] SurfCAM NC Solids was the vaporware CAM product that was supposed to be native within SolidWorks and was never released.

That's news to me. I'd never heard that Surfcam was supposed to be used inside Solidworks. That would have made a good combo if it was done right, IMO.

[QUOTE=tmarkoski;202459]You're confusing SUrfCAM Solids with NC Solids.

SurfCAM Solids is/was nothing more than SolidWorks limited to designing part files. [/qoute]

No, Surfcam Solids was an A3DS Paralogix based modeler that Surfware licensed and released in 2003. As I said, it was a big step forward, albeit somewhat limited.

Surfware has partnered with Solidworks to bundle Solidworks PDO (part design only), but it isn't called Surfcam Solids. (Picking a minor nit! ) There's a lot of info if you Google "Surfcam Solids".

http://manufacturing.cadalyst.com/manufacturing/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=99775

[/I]

That's news to me. I'd never heard that Surfcam was supposed to be used inside Solidworks. That would have made a good combo if it was done right, IMO.


Incorrect.

A3DS Paralogix came after the original SurfCAM Solids.

SolidWorks PDO is a relatively new option which occurred after the failure of the A3DS Paralogix venture.

[QUOTE=Bill H;202475]


Incorrect.

A3DS Paralogix came after the original SurfCAM Solids.

SolidWorks PDO is a relatively new option which occurred after the failure of the A3DS Paralogix venture.

Well, I've used Surfcam since ver. 7.0, around 1997 or 1998, and I don't know of any solid modeler prior to the A3DS Paralogix one, and I wouldn't call it a failure. As I said, it worked well for what it did. I am fully aware of when Solidworks PDO came on the scene.

The original SurfCAM Solids was the equivalent of SolidWorks PDO now.

Contact Joe McChesney or any of the "Old Guard" at Surfware.
I don't know if Joe is even there any longer.
Lots of personnel and management changes in the past 6 years.

A3DS Paralogix was a failure for A3DS.
As a practical matter, the company no longer exists as a functioning entity.
The modeler Surfware put out based on it was pretty good.

The original SurfCAM Solids was the equivalent of SolidWorks PDO now.

Contact Joe McChesney or any of the "Old Guard" at Surfware.
I don't know if Joe is even there any longer.
Lots of personnel and management changes in the past 6 years.

A3DS Paralogix was a failure for A3DS.
As a practical matter, the company no longer exists as a functioning entity.
The modeler Surfware put out based on it was pretty good.

Well, thanks for the info. You learn something every day. Anyway, I've hijacked this thread long enough!

Insteresting BCC Thread.
I thought this was the BCC Sub-Forum here in CNC Zone.

Here is one question for you.
What is the relation of this to Catia, Solidworks, Mastercam, or Surfcam?:stickpoke :idea:

Back to Version 22 Functionality:banana:

No one is forcing you to read anything here.

No one is forcing you to read anything here.

No and both parties made vary good points. The only thing I said was that this is a BCC Sub-Forum. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

I wonder if there is anything additional that can be added to the status of V22? I have been told that BCC has been working on it for quite a while though. That tells me that maybe this release will be different from the rest.

Anyway V22 is coming soon and that is all I know.

:cheers:

If there isn't any REAL information coming from BobCAD before Halloween, all the postings in here are nothing more than shilling for a nonexistent product.

Either V22 exists and is available for sale or it isn't.

As it stands right now, it doesn't and it isn't.
Not a single unbiased posting from someone who saw BobCAD at IMTS.

All this nonsense coming from BobCAD Sales about V22 is just that.
It reminds of of when SurfCAM was hyping SurfCAM NC Solids.
Plenty of hype for nothing but vaporware that was never released.

It exists and it is coming soon. For now though we will just have to ask you to be patient.

It exists and it is coming soon. For now though we will just have to ask you to be patient.


Thanks Launch:rainfro:

It exists and it is coming soon. For now though we will just have to ask you to be patient.

I learned a long time ago not to believe anything BobCAD tells me.
I'll believe it when I see it.
If it ever happens, it will not be before 2007.

Unfortunately, for BobCAD, you've lost the sale of V22 to me.
I need something sooner than later and V21 isn't even a possibility.

I'm going with VisualMill and VisualTurn from MecSoft.

Tim,
We're sorry that you feel the way you do. However, we are continuing to work on the Version 22 product. As far as pricing, we will let you know when the product is finished. As far as your comment about "Not being before 2007" I would like to know who you are getting your information from because it wouldn't be from anyone at BobCAD-CAM. I'm sure that whatever it was that made you so negative can be fixed. Yet if you are finished here, move on so that we can get back to something more constructive. Thank you.
CNC Dude

Tim,
We're sorry that you feel the way you do. However, we are continuing to work on the Version 22 product. As far as pricing, we will let you know when the product is finished. As far as your comment about "Not being before 2007" I would like to know who you are getting your information from because it wouldn't be from anyone at BobCAD-CAM. I'm sure that whatever it was that made you so negative can be fixed. Yet if you are finished here, move on so that we can get back to something more constructive. Thank you.
CNC Dude

Thanks Chris

:cheers:

Nice reply Cncdude.
Look at the choices we have in cadcam today and this guy is grumpy.

Randy

Nice to see a controlled room. This is exactly why most companies do not advertise on their sights about new software that is not released.

Potential customer's can't wait and the old version is never good enough. This holds true most of the time for the small companies.

Nice to see a controlled room. This is exactly why most companies do not advertise on their sights about new software that is not released.

Potential customer's can't wait and the old version is never good enough. This holds true most of the time for the small companies.

That's an absolutely FALSE statement.

Mastercam, SurfCAM, MecSoft, SolidWorks and ALL the major players in the industry let users know the staus of new product releases months before they hit the market.

NONE of them show their product at a major industry trade show and then ignore their own websites as a means of disseminating information.

Go to www.mastercam.com and you'll be able to see the new functionality of Version X2.
The link is on the Main page.
It's been there for over 2 months.

Hey Guys!
IMHO.......yeah I'll start with that.
BCC has done a tremendous job serving the hobby market which is where I reside. They have offered some great deals on the software and I am the proud ownner of ver 21 and the training CDs!!! Now with that said, I'll ask for an opinion.
With ver 22 being the (soon to be) latest and greatest, do you think they will continue providing the excellent deals to their customers????
Hope so!!!
Bill
:cheers:

That's an absolutely FALSE statement.

Mastercam, SurfCAM, MecSoft, SolidWorks and ALL the major players in the industry let users know the staus of new product releases months before they hit the market.

NONE of them show their product at a major industry trade show and then ignore their own websites as a means of disseminating information.

Go to www.mastercam.com and you'll be able to see the new functionality of Version X2.
The link is on the Main page.
It's been there for over 2 months.

READ!!!!! 'POTENTIAL' not 'existing'. 'Small' users do not like to waste money. If a product is due to hit the market but a date is not yet been set then it is not advertised. If I were spending my own money on a pruduct and expected that product to be releasing a new verison in a month.....well you bet I would wait and not buy the old version. However if I knew the newer version was still in testing and the date and price was not set then I would probably buy the older version.

It's called marketing stratagy. Geee!

Remember Bobcad plays to the SMALLER users while companies like Mastercam do not.

It's called marketing stratagy. Geee!



It's a very BAD marketing strategy.

Isn't it nice having opinions. :cool: We all do.

It's a very BAD marketing strategy.

Tmark
How is this anyway usefull, how. they are not even marketing yet and your complaining. You made your decision go bug visual mill. I fully understand having different needs in software, but your just a basher. I am really sorry the world doesnt revolve around you.
Randy

Randall-

They clearly ARE marketing.

Showing it at IMTS and hyping here is marketing.

The problem is getting accurate information regarding price, a release schedule and such.
BobCAD speaks in generalities and won't give anything specific.
I wanted SPECIFIC information because I was looking to purchase.
If BobCAD can't give specifics about it's own product then they shouldn't speak about it at all.
It gives the false impression of a product that could be released at any day and it smacks of the used car salesman model.

[QUOTE=tmarkoski;203789]Randall-

They clearly ARE marketing.

Showing it at IMTS and hyping here is marketing.

The problem is getting accurate information regarding price, a release schedule and such.
BobCAD speaks in generalities and won't give anything specific.
I wanted SPECIFIC information because I was looking to purchase.
If BobCAD can't give specifics about it's own product then they shouldn't speak about it at all.
It gives the false impression of a product that could be released at any day and it smacks of the used car salesman model.[/
I will no longer read or reply to your thread or and will never buy your software, your circular logic confounds me.
Randy

I will no longer read or reply to your thread or and will never buy your software, your circular logic confounds me.
Randy

That's your choice.
I'm not here to make friends or have a cheerleading session for BobCAD.

I was very interested in more information about V22 from the initial reports.
What I saw looked good.
The problem is that BobCAD chooses to tell us all that this great new version is coming and then never says anything in detail about this supposed new version.

There is nothing circular in my logic.

Randall-

They clearly ARE marketing.

Showing it at IMTS and hyping here is marketing.

The problem is getting accurate information regarding price, a release schedule and such.
BobCAD speaks in generalities and won't give anything specific.
I wanted SPECIFIC information because I was looking to purchase.
If BobCAD can't give specifics about it's own product then they shouldn't speak about it at all.
It gives the false impression of a product that could be released at any day and it smacks of the used car salesman model.

That is quite enough Tim M. You are wasting your tome complaining about something that you have no control over. Was Rome Built in a day? "NO!!"
I am quite sure you have better things to do than BASH BCC, Right?

V22 will be released when BobCAD is ready and not before. You can wait like the rest of us.

:cheers:

That is quite enough Tim M. You are wasting your tome complaining about something that you have no control over. Was Rome Built in a day? "NO!!"
I am quite sure you have better things to do than BASH BCC, Right?

V22 will be released when BobCAD is ready and not before. You can wait like the rest of us.

:cheers:

Feel free to ignore my posts.
You obviously have better things to do than cheerlead for BobCAD.

I still own two licenses of BobCAD that I personally paid for.
I'm tired of empty promises about something coming in the future.

V22 won't be available for sale until well into 2007 if ever.

While it is true they can not give a release yet and have their reasons not to promote a price as well I do have a little more info as to why.

They are adding new features which have yet to be beta tested as we type. While not unusual to do it is safer non the less. They do not wish to have a complete rewrite hit the market to fail in a very big way. Bobcad's releases are regular and for the most part worth a version upgrade. (counting on your needs)

Version 22 is no different. It was this year when we upgraded to V21 and the year before 20 and the year before 19. So if it does not release till 2007 early then I will say they are on course. IMTS however only comes around every 4 years. If they did not show there they would have lost a huge oppertunity and their reputation. There are many companies on the market that lose sales if they are not in IMTS.

This may have been a risk for Bobcad to show early but they had little choice. (my opinions of course) This forum thread was started by Bobcad users most of whom have participated in polls and information gathering on Bobcad customer needs. You can read these threads from last year into the middle of this year. These people who have been loyal to Bobcad have been given some insight to what is coming. Most of what is in the new software are the requests of these people from the last few years.

Our company is growing in CAD/CAM usage and our customers are demanding more. Had it not been for this insight from Bobcad our company would have purchased another software already. We all have our needs and we all have our opinions. The fact is BobCAD has in the past 4 years shown us that they listen to us and respond to our needs. I am sorry if that isn't good enough for you but it has been for us.

A major upgrade per year and minor updates in that time sounds like a hard working company to me.

IMTS is every 2 years, not 4.

They appear to be testing everything in-house.
That's a HUGE mistake as BobCAD simply doesn't have people with real-world manufacturing experience.
Their customers do and I'm one of them.

My real problem is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to become a beta-tester.
If it was possible then I could evaluate the software at the same time give them feedback on the product.
A simple NDA could cover confidentiality.

;) IMTS is every 2 years, not 4.


My real problem is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to become a beta-tester.
If it was possible then I could evaluate the software at the same time give them feedback on the product.
They appear to be testing everything in-house.
THat's a HUGE mistake.

Sorry for the big typo. I misspelled a few words to......

And .....they are not testing everything in house. But they are testing all new stuff in house prior to beta testers getting to crash machines. As far as becoming a beta tester goes..........while not being impossible it would be very difficult. They do have thousands of requests (including mine) to become one. Only a small percentage will ever get to. Like trying to win the lottery.

IMTS is every 2 years, not 4.

They appear to be testing everything in-house.
That's a HUGE mistake as BobCAD simply doesn't have people with real-world manufacturing experience.
Their customers do and I'm one of them.

My real problem is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to become a beta-tester.
If it was possible then I could evaluate the software at the same time give them feedback on the product.
A simple NDA could cover confidentiality.

Tim M,

They have some of the best Bata Testers in Production, Tool and Die, AeroSpace, and Design Machining. What makes you think that they don't have enough. I too have offered my Skills as A Beta Tester.

They do not want V22 to cause problems for their customers. Can't you respect that at least?

Wouldn't you try to put out a good product for your customers? V22 is a whole new animal that BCC wants to be able to play with the Top Dogs and that is a lot of work, plus the fact that they want to stay Affordable, thats even more work on top of more work.

Everyone wants the most from their CAD/CAM Software Supplier.

They have some of the best Bata Testers in Production, Tool and Die, AeroSpace, and Design Machining.


How on earth can you possibly know this?

Let me guess, BobCAD told you so. <rollingeyes>

How on earth can you possibly know this?

Let me guess, BobCAD told you so. <rollingeyes>

Any beta tester for Bobcad is not allowed to tell anyone when they are beta testing. That would break Bobcad's rules for beta testers and could cause them to be cut off.

And you know this how?

Let me guess, BobCAD told you so. <rollingeyes>

Can't tell.:nono:

How on earth can you possibly know this?

Let me guess, BobCAD told you so. <rollingeyes>


Common Sence:wave:

Since neither logic nor spelling are strengths of yours, I will spare you the shame and not disabuse you of the notion that you have a clue or COMMON SENSE.

Keep swallowing the Scientology Kool-Aid and believe everything BobCAD is telling you.

BobCAD has a decent product.
I was very interested in the little bit I could find about V22.
NOTHING of substance has come from BobCAD about V22.
BobCAD refuses to answer basic questions about price and a release date.
Every other player in the CAM industry doesn't have a problem making this information public.

Based on their past track record, I chose not to take it on faith that BobCAD is telling the truth.

Since neither logic nor spelling are strengths of yours, I will spare you the shame and not disabuse you of the notion that you have a clue or COMMON SENSE.

Keep swallowing the Scientology Kool-Aid and believe everything BobCAD is telling you.

I been watching this thread for a while now and have to agree with you tmarkoski V22 is only adding thing that other software have had for years. Toby neeeds to get a life

Talk about getting a life, give it a chance to come out and then bash it. Bobcad Has progessed and still offered good prices. Something that other software cares little about. Of course if this software isnt for you, why are you here, no life.
Randy

I agree Bobcad is the best on the market for the price. But if you look at who started this thread. That person has every right to say what he wants Do you agree with that or do the groupies opinion only matter if you want to read some Bobcad bashing
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/27/272.html

BobCAD refuses to answer basic questions about price and a release date.
Every other player in the CAM industry doesn't have a problem making this information public.


LOL....guess you haven't been in this part of the world much.......Maybe going on about something you know little about isn't what any of us should do. 'Other players' don't release until they know what date it is or what price. This is what BobCAD has told you about theirs.

LOL....guess you haven't been in this part of the world much.......Maybe going on about something you know little about isn't what any of us should do. 'Other players' don't release until they know what date it is or what price. This is what BobCAD has told you about theirs.


I've been in this business far longer than anyone else here, including EVERYONE from BobCAD.
I've forgotten more about machining, CAD/CAM, developing software and running a business than YOU will ever know.
So kindly put a sock in it.


When it comes to CAD/CAM and machining, you should stick to being a "webmaster".

All the major players in this industry issue press releases with targeted relase dates and purchase pricing.
All this is available from every reseller that was at IMTS, with one exception - BOBCAD.

BobCAD has yet again proven why it will always be an also-ran in the CAD/CAM world.

I'm done wasting any more time here.
These forums don't exist for the free exchange of opinions and ideas.
This forum, in particular, is simply BobCAD's marketing department.

would you like to read more bashing
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/27/275.html
I will say that I like the way Larry ended the bashing in the thread and by the way I have used Bobcad for many years and am very happy with it. But I'm not a groupie and also know what the sale dept. has been like. I will say that I have recived some straight answer out of Chad Clack and he;s the only one I will talk to at Bobcad's sales office.

Simply stated the business of software sales, technical support, machine sales etc. I would not argue your ability as a machinist and please don't get so uptight. I do not know about your experience in that area and I am sure you can show me a lot. I have been in this field on both sides of this issue and that is all I was referring to.

I do wish to hear of the 'when' and 'how much' but I will not trash a company if they are not ready to release that information. Not my call and not anyone else's here. Management and sales in a company (as you know) will decide that and they have their own reasons.

I been watching this thread for a while now and have to agree with you tmarkoski V22 is only adding thing that other software have had for years. Toby neeeds to get a life


I have more of a life than you could possiblely Dream :rainfro:
Must be nice to be able to hide behind a computer and make sorry attempts to degrade others. Your Funny, LOL:) And could never in a million years be a threat to me.(flame2)

I have more of a life than you could possiblely Dream :rainfro:
Must be nice to be able to hide behind a computer and make sorry attempts to degrade others. Your Funny, LOL:) And could never in a million years be a threat to me.(flame2)

This is just what I see from my side of the screen. You came in to this man thread like your some kind of know it all. I just see that from my point of veiw. Why would you think anyone would be a threat to you? Can't you handle someone disagree with you or are you just a know it all. The other guy JJONE did not come off like that.
also could you explain this quoate it makes little sence to me Is he a gameshow host or something like that
Imagination and memory are but one thing","Which for divers conciderations hath divers names" Schwarzwald

I have been in this business for a while now and rarely take the time to reply to posts like some of the ones I see here. I simply have more important things to do. However, I can clearly see that Markowski hasn't a clue as to what he's talking about and that because of this I am offended that he would continue to insult the other members of this forum without at least being warned one final time.

Here's the deal Tim...This forum does indeed exist for the sharing of ideas regarding manufacturing and CAD/CAM. This forum does exist for a community of designers, machinists and business owners to answer questions and post their questions too. This forum DOESN'T exist so that low IQ individuals can post lies and try to upset the general group and especially doesn't exist so that you can act as if you know something about BobCAD-CAM when you clearly do not. Rather than sit and create conspiracy theories in your head to the point of scaring yourself, you should try posting something that warrants an actual response because this will be the last 5 minutes of wasted time I spend on you. Clean up or move on!
CNC Dude

In the interest of fairness, and so all parties, including myself, aren't misjudged, let me say the following.

I had some excellent correspondence today with Larry from BobCAD.
He gave me some detailed information and explanations of some of the things I'd had questions about.
Certain things happen that are simply beyond the ability to plan for.

I'm now feeling confident that a release of V22 will happen sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas of this year.

Kudos to Larry for taking the time contact me with the information.

This is just what I see from my side of the screen. You came in to this man thread like your some kind of know it all. I just see that from my point of veiw. Why would you think anyone would be a threat to you? Can't you handle someone disagree with you or are you just a know it all. The other guy JJONE did not come off like that.
also could you explain this quoate it makes little sence to me Is he a gameshow host or something like that
Imagination and memory are but one thing","Which for divers conciderations hath divers names" Schwarzwald

Sorry, I can't help you to understad that which is plain as Daylight and Darkness. There is a Real Meaning, you just have to figure it out for yourself.:rainfro: As far as being a "know it all", I don't. I just have a lot of Common Sense and a drive to Succeed. Not to mention that I am not afraid to ask questions about what I don't know or Learn from my own Mistakes.

BTW: Chris Thanks, and Keep up the Good Work at BCC. :cheers:

Tim Markoski is going bunkers bacause he found out that his little trinket\software that he sells wouldn't work within Bobcad V22. Oh well, how the world got by with out a back alley software figguring feeds and speeds for them???? Tim get a life, we can calculate feeds and speeds with out giving you a hundred bucks. As far as being the best, the most experienced...oh well. Everyone do a check on daja news and make your own decission about Tim Markoski

Sorin-

You're a real piece of work.

I was more than willing to let this lay but now you want to stir the pot.

I haven't said ANYTHING negative about the quality or value of BobCAD software.

I'm interested in BobCAD V22 as a CUSTOMER for use in my own business.
I've been a BobCAD CUSTOMER since I purchased V12 from Greco Systems.

If speeds & feeds are so easy, why didn't you or BobCAD do it long ago?
Oh, that's right. You and BobCAD came to me for a product to fill that void.
The plug-in version of Machinist ToolBox for BobCAD exists solely based on requests from BobCAD users.
For the record, Machinist ToolBox does FAR more than just Speeds & Feeds.

I'm sure you can calculate feeds and speeds with out giving me "a hundred bucks".
Would you care for me to publish all our previous correspondence along with those that deal with the difficulty I had in actually getting paid for MTB licenses that YOU sold at YOUR "seminars"?

I'm an open book and out in the public.
The quality of my software, my work and my ETHICS speak for themselves.
It's too bad that your own history speaks volumes about yours.

Please stick to what you do best, helping BobCAD users get the most from their purchase.

OK. Let's take it easy on eachother here. Sorin has proven to be an asset to BobCAD-CAM and has been working with us for years. Tim, you are the creator of a valuable software utility that has probably aided thousands in shops around the country over the years. We appreciate the both of you. There's a lot of value up here. Let's put it to good use, eh?
CNC Dude

Tim M,

You need to find a hobby or something. That is too much typing. Tell me, are trying to get Carpal Tunnel. This Forum is here for the sole purpose of Members to help each other, not Flame eachother.

As far as Sorin goes, his reputation is a million times better that what I have seen and read about you Tim Markoski. Why bother yourself with trying to drag others through the mud.

Would you like your Profile Posted Here?

Oh, and your Buddy Mike M. AKA Lakeside AKA BOSTON AKA justme, is not the person you should have as an online buddy. His Reputation is far worse than yours. Not to mention records that can't be posted here.


Lets all play nice and help each other, not attack each other on a HELP FORUM, OK? BTW: Who have you actually Helped here anyway?

A word of advise, "Never Mess with a BULL, Because You May Get the Horns"!!!!!

Timi,
Have you stoped taking your medicine again???? You should go bak on it ASAP.

For the record, you are mad at me because I have banned you from my web site for flaming us and threatening us. You are doing the same now here. Lets' set the record stright, shoulud we....
You have gottten paid for every one of about 20 seats of the "Machinist's trinket\tool box" software that I have sold for you. I have the canceled checks to prove it. You are also acusing Bobcad of not paying you for it while Larry told you that if necessary he can also prove to you that you got paid. I can tell you that as a outside contractor for Bobcad, I get paid by them with out any incident or delays.
Regarding your statements that you have made in the post tat I am qouting bellow let's take you down the memory lane:

"I haven't said ANYTHING negative about the quality or value of BobCAD software." Really, please read your post on this thread regarding Bobcad and the Bobcad organization...

Now Timi, people pay money every week and travel from all over the country and world (Brazil, Mexico, Italy, Great Britain) to attend my classes (By the way I will be training at Lockheed Martin in Dallas in 3 weeks . Have also trained at Johnson and Johnson and many others in the past). Not to bad for a "intelectual cripple" as yo call me.

"If speeds & feeds are so easy, why didn't you or BobCAD do it long ago?" Once again, you need to take your meds.... You either can't remember or are a liar, but YOU KNOW that I don't work for Bobcad. I am a independent contractor (Sorin Nenu Consultants). If that makes me a employee of Bobcad in your eyes, then you were also a employee of Bobcad when they were selling your trinket\software to work from within their product.


"Oh, that's right. You and BobCAD came to me for a product to fill that void" What void Timi??? Real machinists have been figguring speeds and feeds well before your trinket\software. We all know the folowing formulas:
Surface feet/minute: SFM=.262*DIA*RPM
Revolutions per minute: RPM=3.82*SFM/DIA
Feed rate (in/min): IPM=FPT*T*RPM
Tapping feed rate: IPM=RPM/TPI
Form (Roll) tap drill size: (.00668*% of full thread)/TPI
I have many other formulas in my own REAL machinist tool box (a tool box that actually has tools in it)
See, is not that hard. There is no void Timi all you need is a piece of paper and a pencil (or a free calculator from Sears when you fill in for a credit card, that is if you have any credit...)
If anyone is interested, please email me or PM me regarding a piece of software that does what Timi's software does and more for only $15 for three licenses...



"I'm an open book and out in the public.
The quality of my software, my work and my ETHICS speak for themselves.
It's too bad that your own history speaks volumes about yours" Once agin, why don't you tell people to do a Deja News search with your name and see what they get regarding you. Let them go to alt.machines.cnc (a machinist group and see what Cliff and the rest have to say about you). I spen lots of money every month to have a web site where I post some of the videos that I have created for people on this site and on my classes, so everyone can download them for FREE. I don't charge a penny for the expenses of my site or for the many hrs that I spent after work, sometimes at 2 AM while you are sleeping, to create these files. I DON"T charge a penny for them, never did and never will. If someone decided to donete some money for that, I didn' ask them for it. They bdid it on their own to help with the expenses. WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE MACHINING COMUNITY MR MRCOSKY???? Besided being a parasite that takes and takes, but gives NOTHING BACK.
If you will excuse me now, I have to get back to work and make more FREE videos to help others....
Have a wonderful day and I hope you do well and are able to live with your self.
Sicerely,
Sorin Nenu

Looking forward to the new release. Just starting to master V21. The whole graphics upgrade is what gets me excited.

From my conversations, it sounds as if this upgrade may be a little more expensive due to the "out sourced" modules within V22.

Looking forward to the new release. Just starting to master V21. The whole graphics upgrade is what gets me excited.

From my conversations, it sounds as if this upgrade may be a little more expensive due to the "out sourced" modules within V22.

That is always a possibility, and with good reason. As a note I see we got these back like they were before.:)

Anybody know about ramping functionality in V22? Any changes?

Anybody know about ramping functionality in V22? Any changes?

Good question. I would be interested in knowing that too. Since there will not be any scripting on 22 it will be very important that we have those little things included.

This is kind of the same thing , but a helical entry would be good too. Also I believe that Tjones asked for a way to select a point of entry in the pocketing function as well.

Nice to see everyone playing well together again. :)

This is kind of the same thing , but a helical entry would be good too.

I believe the script I saw someone use was exactly that. A nice helical. A ramp is pretty easy to do by change the moves going down in Z....Still could be easier.