Anyone noticed the number of posts and views Bobcad gets on CNCZone?

Guess when V22 comes out this forum will be the hit of the CAD-CAM industry! :p

Anyone noticed the number of posts and views Bobcad gets on CNCZone?

Guess when V22 comes out this forum will be the hit of the CAD-CAM industry! :p


BCC gets more hits in the CAD/CAM Forum most likely because it has been an "Under Dog" in the pretty affects department for a while. Now that BCC is making a steady rise in the CAD/CAM World a lot of people are taking notice. They are also wondering how BCC compares to other Softwares. Being affordable is another big plus because now companies don't have to pay extorsion prices for a Powerful CAD/CAM with Solids and real 3D Capabilities.


BCC will be changing the CAD/CAM Industry in a few more years, that you can take to the Bank ;)

Anyone noticed the number of posts and views Bobcad gets on CNCZone?

Guess when V22 comes out this forum will be the hit of the CAD-CAM industry! :p

Tim, I think it the charming and colorful personalities of the Bobcad user that draws the attention here in the zone. Bobcad user alread know what to expect here in the zone and you know how shy we are. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: as far as # of hits, the thread I started Share your files Part or Art (I hope I don't get sued over the name) has had 16k in less than 6 month,that's a crowd

Hey, Mike and Tim,

LOL, I just looked at the BCC Forum here and see mostly:
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis

LOL, funny to see us in so many places all at once. I guess we get around a bit uh? :D

BTW: You two guys have done a great job in explaining the Software to new users. Mike, as far as the "Art to Part" name, I think you have done an excellent job in sharing some great Artwork. One thing is for sure, we try ;)

Toby are you working tonight and are bored. I would have never typed that last post

Toby are you working tonight and are bored. I would have never typed that last post


Which one is that?

Which one is that?
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis
lakeside
tjones
tobyaxis

Mike, as far as the "Part to Art" name, I think you have done an excellent job in sharing some great Artwork. One thing is for sure, we try ;)
There has been some outstanding work and files posted by all people in the thread ( Part or Art). Look at the Eagle. That why I started the thread. There are a lot of very bright and talented people in this forum. There work should have a thread to post to. I wish more people would post there. I just like to draw. My file now is about 40meg and I just add a bunch of dxf’s to my collection. Here's the latest screen shots and then back to Tim thread. After all I would not HIJACK a thread or would I?

There has been some outstanding work and files posted by all people in the thread. Look at the Eagle. That why I started the thread. There are a lot of very bright and talented people in this forum. There work should have a thread to post to. I wish more people would post there. I just like to draw. My file now is about 40meg and I just add a bunch of dxf’s to my collection. .


That is mostly what I meant. Of coarse you started the thread here and in the bcc forum. I just wanted to say thanks and you have done a great job.

That eagle is really cool. It's too bad that there are so many people that won't ever get to see the great art in that thread. I show the little woman all the time and she loves all the work that everyone has done. It's nice to see good art appreciated.

How many hits do you guys (Tim and Mike) think this thread will get after 7 whole days? Care to take a wild guess? I'll say, 500.

How many hits do you guys (Tim and Mike) think this thread will get after 7 whole days? Care to take a wild guess? I'll say, 500.
Better Quistion: How many other people will post in this thread?

Better Quistion: How many other people will post in this thread?


So I am guilty of Loving my BCC, sue me :p . Better yet, get in line :D . Seriously I'll say 5-10 maybe :o .

Now is the time all BCC users should post!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :idea:

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I can't keep up!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least I got some sleep last night. :)

Seriously though, it looks like with all the users BobCad has and those who are just keeping tab on us there would be a wider range of posts. Like you said just a few actually post while others just watch the fun.

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I can't keep up!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least I got some sleep last night. :)

Seriously though, it looks like with all the users BobCad has and those who are just keeping tab on us there would be a wider range of posts. Like you said just a few actually post while others just watch the fun.


Maybe they should post and join the fun. You don't have to be an expert in BCC to Have A Little Fun.

Maybe they should post and join the fun. You don't have to be an expert in BCC to Have A Little Fun.

got to have fun if it not then it work

Hey guys,
I just read through this post. I am another user of bobcad since V17 and love it. I use Bobcad at work to program our Motionmaster router. We had a demo for another cam package about six years ago (sorry, don't remember who just that it was 4 times the cost!). The programmer from the other company came in for the demo. When it came time to show the posting for our machine with a Fagor control, the programmer was floundering around and it took him ~20 minutes to post a simple part. I had very little experience with Cam at the time and got a copy of Bobcad V17 to try. In ~2 minutes I posted the same code as the programmer using Bobcad!
Hooked on Bobcad ever since!
Now up to V20 which I own at home for my own small business. Waiting impatiently for V22.
Sorry to be so long winded but I can't help it when it comes to Bobcad!

Good to see a happy user here. When Sorin's web sight is up we will all have to get the latest vids from him. He is paying for a new sight himself to post all the helpfull tutorials he does.

version 21 noob here. but i love the sofware so far.

284 Hits so far.

WE NEED MORE BCC POSTERS TO POST!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe putting out an "APB" will help.:rolleyes:

284 Hits so far.

That's about 90 each for the 3 of you. ;)

That's about 90 each for the 3 of you. ;)

maybe more like 10 hits for Tim and I. 25 hits of people just wondering and the rest are Toby

maybe more like 10 hits for Tim and I. 25 hits of people just wondering and the rest are Toby

I'll take that as good Humor :D

BTW: This makes 26 posts for me.:D :D :D

I get this email and for some reason I keep clicking it each time I see the forum link.

You can sneek no post past me........

I get this email and for some reason I keep clicking it each time I see the forum link.

You can sneek no post past me........

Cool I send you a PM and sneek another post with out you looking:eek: :D 370 Hits

Good evening gentlemen,

Some time ago I posted questions regarding transfering my propeller designs to CAd and recieved numerous help and suggestions. As a result I have managed to draw several propellers - vintage, homebuilt, ultralight and military RVP designs designed by myself - 2500 propellers in 22 years carved by hand - in Rhino 3 because this is a programme with which I am very familiar.
I subsequently purchased BCC with BOBnest and BOBart ProX, Rams and Rams Pro and have gone the route of steadily studying and practising the methods of CAM.

Questions:- 1) I saved a 17mb file (one size for one propeller) into *.iges, *.step, *.dwg, *.dxf in Rhino then imported the various files into A) Bobcad b) Rams c) Rams Pro. Having done this all three programmes seem to hesitate when meeting up with this file, -whatever extension format I import/open - seem to stumble and then fall over while generating the g-code and toolpaths. BOBcad crashes 10 times in ten minutes with the error reporting to microsoft notice endlessly poping up then shutting down either one of the programmes I have opened at the time. Rams stops to function completely.

Can one of you gentlemen help? Could it be that the calculations of 17 million different co-ordinates be too much for my processor - P4 2,8ghz/2gig ram 256 mb nvidia graphics card? Any valid well thought suggestions - negative and positive will be well recieved, However if you wish to be negative you should also be able to supply the solution. Please bare in mind that the airfoil of a propeller is never constant at in 1/1000 of a mm at any stage in any x, y, or z axis ever.

Kind regards
,Piet propeller
PS myprevious post are under the woodworking section on cnc routers for those who wish to get a better insight

Bobcad will crash if your graphic card and setting are not up to speed.If you want post an .iges and we can take a look

Piet propeller,

Have you posted this request for help in the BCC Forum? What Version of BCC are you working with? This is not your average part and will take considerable time to figure out. Speeking for myself in this matter, but I'll try to help you. I'm sure Tjones and a few other individuals that use BCC will also like to help. This actually looks like a Real Challenge for a change.:D

Here is a link to the BCC Forum http://216.117.147.20/bobcadsupport/forums/index.php

Thank you, gentlemen, your suggestions and comment was worth the wait. Now, being slow at this type of posting how do I get the iges file to you? I apologise for the long letters however the "old school" method was pounded into my butt by the headmaster.

To post on the suggested site - do I need to retype the whole previous story - or rather could Mr Tobyaxis lend us a hand up?
Best regards,
Piet de Necker

zip the file and when you post go down to where it say Manage Attachment

Zip that bad boy with this and when you post scrole down a little and you will see Manage Attachments. Hit that and browse for your zipped file.
:D

http://www.filzip.com/en/index.html

Dear Gentlemen,
Thank you for your attention.
Kind regards,
Piet propeller

Dear Gentlemen,
Thank you for your attention.
Kind regards,
Piet propeller

I have my WorkStation working on your part right now.;) This is going to take a few minutes.

Well it did take a while to code. Here what I have.There are two path on prop. Both are for a 1/4 ball mill. The Green path has a step over of .1 for ruffing and cuts in x axis. The Blue one is for finish with same tool with a .03 step over and cuts in Y axix. Take the three cad files open one and then merge the others into one. Yes this did take a bit of time to go through BCC if you see the hour glass on screen Bobcad is not locked up but running

Sorry my cat walked accross the key board and messed everything up. Here it is. Pulled file because it was wrong. I'll post a new one when it's finished.

The main deffernce between Toby's file and my own is that I skipped the center hole and lowwer part so top of part is at z zero also I have two paths So mine is BIGGER than Toby's

Mike do a quick check on the Size if the overall part. I'm getting this, what are you getting?

this is what I get

I'm now using a 1.5" Diameter Ball End Mill for Roughing and a 1.25" Diameter Ball Mill for Finishing. I though it was for a small model plain not a Large one.;) Ooops!!!!!!

I'm now using a 1.5" Diameter Ball End Mill for Roughing and a 1.25" Diameter Ball Mill for Finishing. I though it was for a small model plain not a Large one.;) Ooops!!!!!!

I find that a smaller mill witha little step over will give you a better finish on this type of part. Also you can get closer to hub. But we both program finish for moves in Y axis as this will be direction of airflow over surface

I find that a smaller mill witha little step over will give you a better finish on this type of part. Also you can get closer to hub. But we both program finish for moves in Y axis as this will be direction of airflow over surface


That is what I did with out realizing it.:D Nothing a little polishing can't take care of though.;) I can't believe I didn't check the size of the part before posting a tool path. Must be the Crown Royal:D


Piet propeller,

As Mike pointed out earlier you may be having a Graphics Card Problem. Call BCC and check with them after updating your Graphics Card Drivers I don't seem to be having a problem posting tool path on your part. Then again with Dual P4 H/T 3.2GHz each 1.5GB RAM and 256MB ATI Graphics Card I shouldn't.

Hey guys, since I route wood every day, here's a little tip. Rough with a straight tool, say 1" diameter, with about a 3/4" stepover and 3/8"-1/2" depth of cut, and climb cut the roughing passes. This should save a ton of time. Then finish with the 1-1/4" ball tool with about .03-.05 stepover, although some trial and error may be necessary here. You should be able to run your finish passes the long way. I ran some parts a few weeks ago with these specs and you couldn't even feel any ridges from the tool.

Good point he's making it out of wood so forget my path I was thinking it was a Alum.

Hey guys, since I route wood every day, here's a little tip. Rough with a straight tool, say 1" diameter, with about a 3/4" stepover and 3/8"-1/2" depth of cut, and climb cut the roughing passes. This should save a ton of time. Then finish with the 1-1/4" ball tool with about .03-.05 stepover, although some trial and error may be necessary here. You should be able to run your finish passes the long way. I ran some parts a few weeks ago with these specs and you couldn't even feel any ridges from the tool.

I'll agree with that Gerry. A larger ball mill always gives a better finish than a small one. I have been looking at the Drawing and finding a lot of mismatch with the surfaces. Also there are entities that shouldn't be there either. This may be the reason for all the trouble he is having. It's a beautiful design but there are some small surfaces that overlap. I have no idea why they are there and will be calling BCC Tuesday Morning about this. It could be BCC or the original designing software. Can you open this file and check it out? The extra overlaps may be confusing BCC and making his crash.

BTW; 584 Hits and it's only Saturday September 2, 2006;)

The main deffernce between Toby's file and my own is that I skipped the center hole and lowwer part so top of part is at z zero also I have two paths So mine is BIGGER than Toby's

BTW: Mike, You Wish!!!!!!!!;) :D

So mine is BIGGER than Toby's
Mike didn't specify exactly what of his is BIGGER than yours, Toby. I used to go out with a girl that always proclaimed "The BIGGER the BETTER... The tighter the sweater!". LOL.

You never know, his waste might be BIGGER because he's full of it!!!

(Oops, my bad! I'm such a horrible speller, I meant waist :D.)

Sorry, guys (especially Mike), I couldn't resist. I'm getting punchy, it must mean it's time to get some sleep.

Mike didn't specify exactly what of his is BIGGER than yours, Toby. I used to go out with a girl that always proclaimed "The BIGGER the BETTER... The tighter the sweater!". LOL.

You never know, his waste might be BIGGER because he's full of it!!!

(Oops, my bad! I'm such a horrible speller, I meant waist :D.)

Sorry, guys (especially Mike), I couldn't resist. I'm getting punchy, it must mean it's time to get some sleep.

No way, your getting Funny stay and post more:D

Good morning gentlemen,
Its a beautifull morning in sunny SA

My thanks to Toby D, Mike M and Gerry for the help and suggestions. I shall certainly explore all the mentioned avenues. I am busy downloading the suggested toolpaths from Mike
The file of the propeller is typical of the smaller sized propellers I carve by hand. I apologise for not mentioning that the material is a hardwood type. The machine that I have bought - which is being built for me in Elko, MN is a Shopsabre with a 3hp Colombo spindle and 9" z - axis 48" x 96" table. It will be shipped on the 8th of September and should be installed here by end October.
The reason for my frantic learning curve is that mt lower back has collapsed - vertebrae squished and so I can hardly carve the propellers by hand anymore.
In 3 months at age 54 it took a damn long time to assimilate all the data of Rhino and BOBcad - which I really like - so inthe end it may well be that I am wanting inthe design and cam systems but with the quality of help from gentlemen like yourselfs I may be able to overcome these stumbling blocks. I also meant no offence to whatever Software company I metioned beforen

In all the simulations I used a 16mm ballmil with 3mm oversteps for roughing and a 12mm ballmill with a 1mm overstep for finishing - which is fine as this allows some wood material to be removed by hand to assit in the balancing process of the propeller. Would it be possible for Mike, Toby or Gerry to develope a toolpath using the abovementioned cutters. Feed rates and spindle speed suggestions for wood will be GREATLY appreciated as tables for feeds/speed in metals is in abundance.

Gerry, it seems to me you are more knowledgeable in wood material so could I implore you to have a gander at the file and suggest methods of correcting the overlaps and the excess entities present in the prop?
Any graphics cards you gentlemen would suggest?
Should I purchase a dual core P4?

Best regards,
Piet Propeller
If it is of interest to anybody - the website is www.p-prop.s5.com. If anyone needs help in designing a propeller for their aircraft I would offer my help and advice no charge.

Sorry to hear about your Back. That has to be pretty scary. I forgot about finishing your File. I will take those end mill sizes and re-post the code if you would like.

The Feeds and Speeds are kind of up to your machine, part rigidity, and tooling for the most part. I'm sure Gerry has some good starting points though. I will follow up and re-post sometime tomorrow.

Have you logged in on BobCAD's Forum yet? There are a lot of really good BCC users there that can assist you and would be very interested in your propellers. I have to admit it is really cool to see a hand craftsman such as yourself learning software and CAD/CAM.

As a note V22 is going to be the Show Stopper for BobCAD-CAM.

Sorry I had to pull the file. I didn't realize how big your propeller was at first and went to repost. I wound up getting side-tracked.

Hope to see you on the BCC Forum.
Which Version of BobCAD are you using?

BTW: We have beer here:cheers:

Good morning Toby D. Your input and help is really appreciated. I purchased V21.4 a month and a half ago and forging ahead slowly but sure. The back needs surgery and rest so hopefully the cnc router will do most of the hardwork. If ever at any stage you visit SA you are most welcome to stay over
Piet propeller
Ps yes, i recieved the registration e-mail and have rgegistered at the BCC forum and at present are reading the posts, thanks

Good morning Toby D. Your input and help is really appreciated. I purchased V21.4 a month and a half ago and forging ahead slowly but sure. The back needs surgery and rest so hopefully the cnc router will do most of the hardwork. If ever at any stage you visit SA you are most welcome to stay over
Piet propeller
Ps yes, i recieved the registration e-mail and have rgegistered at the BCC forum and at present are reading the posts, thanks

I have just completed your Propeller but it is 15MB. I zipped it and now it's 5.28MB and it will actually fit here. It is saved as a BobCAD File. The Simulation works to so you can watch it run on your PC. Go through the G-Code and setup the tools (writen in the notes) and the Material Size (also in the beginning of the program). Have fun and play around with it.

Well it doesn't fit. Trying something else.

Glad I could be of help.:cheers:

Thankfully this worked. Here they are.:cheers:

BTW: This tool path and program were done on my lap top. P4 2.0GHz, 1GB RAM, 32MB ATI Graphics Card. Slow compared to the Monster (took about 1 hour). The path, and G-Code generation took longer but it still worked. You may be having trouble due to the Graphics Card Driver being out of date.

If your looking for a new PC this one will handle anything you can throw at it. Rated #1 by Cadalyst Labs
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Man, turn my head for the day and the forum takes off without me.

I am working on Sorin's web sight but need to give him a call on the free videos to post there. He will also be taking orders for special vids and posts. It will be an email for login and password sight and these will change on a regular basis. I will keep you up to date and I will be getting all of Sorin's videos in the one place so they will be easy to get.

BTW: Sorin is paying for all this himself so please feal free to contribute when the sight is up and going. He purchased a very large storage area and it will cost him per month.

Piet propeller, Is there a certain type of learning you need help on? Sorin's free videos are a great help (he does their training seminars). I will try to get then posted in the order you may need.

Tim

Man, turn my head for the day and the forum takes off without me.Tim

I get this email and for some reason I keep clicking it each time I see the forum link.

You can sneek no post past me........

Well I quess we can Tim

Piet just read your e-mail I get something togher and e-mail in a bit with the tools you want to use and I send along an explantion of how I made the file

Good evening Gentlemen,My thanks forthe work as well as suggestions for Sorins videos as well as where to look for a better Pc. I shall follow up on all the leads. At this stage I feel like I am wading through the Florida Everglades only in underpants with a rotten stick to beat the alligators with.... so your help is most welcome. If one encounters more problems what is the threshold of the forums members patience? Where could one find a post for a SHOPSABRE? My e-mail is propeler@icon.co.zaBest regards, Piet propeller

If one encounters more problems what is the threshold of the forums members patience?

I think it's pretty high.

I looked at your prop in Rhino, and noticed a few things.

Your hub has duplicate surfaces.
The blades don't blend into th hub smoothly, there's some overlapping.
There is some extra geometry in the file away from the prop. Looks to be some cross sections that you may have forgotten to delete.

I don't use BobCAD, and am attempting to try the prop in MeshCAM. Unfortunately, I need an .stl and Rhino's .stl export is flippng half the prop, so I can't get a good model to load into MeshCAM.

As I mentioned, I'd recommend using a straight tool for roughing, and remove as much material as possible with each pass. Otherwise it will take hours to machine the prop, and there's really no need to be wasting all that time. How mauch material depends on a few things. How sharp the tool is. And how well you can hold the workpiece. How fast you want to go. These are somewhat all tied together. I'm assuming the machine is stiff enough and the spindle has enough power. You're roughing stepover can be almost the full diameter of the tool. Depth of cut limited by the machines ability, and sometimes the density of the wood. You may be able to cut up to the tools diameter for depth, or even more with a very sharp tool. I'd try roughing at 150ipm for starters. You may have to slow down, or you may be able to go faster. A little trial and error will be needed. (Actually, you're going to need a lot of trial and error :) ) One important thing when routing hardwoods (or any solid wood) is to climb cut when roughing. With laminated wood like you're probably using, it may not be as important, but you can try it and see. If you're not climb cutting, it's very easy to get some bad tearout when the grain runs the wrong direction. And I don't think you can patch it back in on a propeller.

Since you want to leave a little material for hand cleanup, try using a stepover of about .1-.15, with a 1-1/4 to 1-1/2" ballnose tool. This will leave some very small scallops, that can easily be scraped or sanded out. It will also cut your finish time by about 75% versus using a .03 stepover. I finish at 300-400ipm, but use this as a starting point (maybe even 200ipm to start). Again, you may be able to go faster, or need to go slower.

Goodevening Gerry, Brilliant, is what I say, so will study how to clean up the messy parts. I print out your answer and put it up next to the computor for quick reference. The feeds and speeds is much appreciated. The machine is leaving Elko, MN this friday the 8th Sept and should be installed end Oct 2006.
Then the bananas will hit the fan as I declare war against propeller carving and hopefully get out unscathed flying the CNCZONE banner Best regards,
Piet propeller

I looked at your prop in Rhino, and noticed a few things.
I don't use BobCAD, and am attempting to try the prop in MeshCAM. Unfortunately, I need an .stl and Rhino's .stl export is flippng half the prop,
As I mentioned, I'd recommend using a straight tool for roughing, and remove as much .

Gerry, attached is Peit prop. This is the edge geomitry saved as a 3d dxf, if this helps. If not what kind of file can you use either a step ( .stp ) , SAT ( .sat ) or a drawing templete ( .cct ) file or what kind of file could you use in AutoCad ( IGES or 3D DXF)? .
This is the difference between Bobcad and Rhino in the way the surface is made. Where as Bobcad uses a wireframe frame based solid surface (kind of a skin). Rhino uses the patch type surface.
Peit will need the bobcad file in the end for cam side to generate code

Peit here are somme basic screen shots of how I would go about this in Bobcad.Also attach is the file I will use please confirm if this looks right. My Z zero will be the top of part. Also note the brown contour in your file .This my be the reason Bobcad was hanging up on you. There also seems to be a random surface in drawing that may not have been trimmed see below

Thanks for the offer, but since he's using BobCAD, there's not much I can do with it that would help him.

How long did it take to generate code from that with BobCAD? MeshCAM took about 40 minutes for roughing, finishing, and a pencil trace. For Both sides.

Bobcad took about the 40 min. to genorate code for finish and about 15 min for ruffing

Yes but only for a short time!:nono:

(chair) :p :p :p


hehehe

Posting code will be so different based on the tolerance level, shortest line segment allowed, tool path stepover, computer speed, etc.etc.etc. it would be hard to compare even twice the time and say one would be faster than the other. Same system and same parameters would need to test those variables.

Good afternoon gentlemen,
To Mike and Gerry the biggest thanks for pointing my nose in the correct direction. I am still learning BCC so will report back to you on progress made and lookinf forward to BCC V22 - if its all they say it is I''l be in the front line fighting off the crowds behind
Thanks guys!
Piet propeller

Start checking this out.


cadcamtrainer.com


Have fun and watch it grow

Start checking this out.
cadcamtrainer.com
Have fun and watch it grow

Well add that to my fravorites list right:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Good evening gentlemen,
I apologise for letting out Tjones and all else who slogged on the propeller design. Thank you !!

I am only on CD one of the 10 cd BCC trainer... do I hear some hysterical laugther somewhere?
Kind regards,
Piet propeller

Email me and I will get you the link, username, and password to Sorin's full 3 volume set.

He does specials for those who request for very small fees as well.

http://cadcamtrainer.com

This is Sorin's web sight

http://cadcamtrainer.com/Forum/index.php

And this is his forum that was just started. (no posts yet)

He now has his fourm up and running but he is also traveling right now. If you send your request to me I can get the info you need to access the vids.


Tim

We I'm there, what do I do now?:) :(

I see you made it Toby. I have added the open discusion forum you asked for and the forum is fairly open but the admins can and will block the bashers. It is a Bobcad user forum and will be treated as such.

I will work on improving the forum as the days go by but it may be slow until we get more resources and support.

Thanks again Toby. For those who check it out you must click the new member button to be able to post the first time. No guest posting to prevent the forum busting hackers to catch us off guard.

Tjones and Sorin,

Hope you guys had a Great Holiday and a Relaxing weekend. Great Job on the forum and I'll get you guys some GREEN A.S.A.P. BTW, Tjones are you the only admin or will Sorin be joining you? It will be great sharing information on BCC Tips -n- Tricks.

Cheers Guys :cheers: :D

Sorin has all the passwords but he is going to be a little later getting up to speed because he is away from home right now. I am sure once he gets everything organized (i keep sending updates) he will be there in force. I have been working my holiday on this so he has just had a few looks in from time to time and giving me input for the sight.

The Paypal is for his account and he is going to be adminstrating when he has time. Just remember he travels a lot.

1,115 Hits in one week. Not bad.:banana: Sorry I have been away for a few days. I checked out the site and so far it's looking really good. Hopefully there will be time later tonight,

:cheers:

Toby,

Check this out!


http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php

And I can setup the forum rules!:banana:

Toby,

Check this out!


http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php

And I can setup the forum rules!:banana:

First, where did you get radar that tells you I'm here? Second COOL!!!!!!!

Do I have to Register again?

Sorin is relisting his videos on his web sight. He has had several dozen requests for the username and password needed to download them. Now we have a fully functional forum but it will take some time to get it the way everyone wants it.

We need any bobcad users who want to have sorins help to try it out.

http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php

http://cadcamtrainer.com

Sorry I'm late. Is it too late to join in the fun? I was checking out Sorin's site, and it looks so pretty.

Sorry I'm late. Is it too late to join in the fun?

It never to late for Fun. Welcome to our little club:cheers:

http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php


Will get you to sorins forum

also the link page has the link to sorins video download area too

Sorry I'm late. Is it too late to join in the fun? I was checking out Sorin's site, and it looks so pretty.


Don't forget to sign up on the forum there. That is where Sorin will be checking most often and where he will be taking requests for new videos.

How soon?

Great thread guys. Between Sorin and you pros learning alot fast. I ve to say its real nice to have a thread where there is no bashing.
Randy

Sorin is hoping the sight will self support so he can keep it going and be able to help everyone. Stop by and see how you like it.

http://cadcamtrainer.com

http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Are these videos the same as he handed out at the seminars? I guess this could be a question for the other forum.

Yes and No.

Some news ones will be posted. Especially if there has been some time since you were in one of his seminars. He updates some and he adds new ones. He also does specials.

We are going to post all the past one and then all the new free ones.


He also will frequent the forum so he can answer questions.

Great thread guys. Between Sorin and you pros learning alot fast. I ve to say its real nice to have a thread where there is no bashing.
Randy

We all want it this way. That is why Sorin and Tjones have started our own Forum. The Bashing (I've done my share of this senceless act) takes the thread away from the topic. Hence the individual who posted the question gets the short end of the stick. Tjones and Sorin want to change this for the better.:D

Yes and No.

Some news ones will be posted. Especially if there has been some time since you were in one of his seminars. He updates some and he adds new ones. He also does specials.

We are going to post all the past one and then all the new free ones.


He also will frequent the forum so he can answer questions.

Excellent. I attended a seminar in Pittsburgh in '05 on version 20 so I can't wait to see some more vids.

Wow,
Just like bcc site cant post & no replys(as is pointed out)
another useless site
Bear

Wow,
Just like bcc site cant post & no replys(as is pointed out)
another useless site
Bear

sounds to me like you don't know how to use you PC. Did you register or are you a guest? I have never had trouble with either site

Wow,
Just like bcc site cant post & no replys(as is pointed out)
another useless site
Bear

Try this new Forum Created Specificaly for BCC users by BCC users and machinists.

http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php

Sorin's user Videos are on his site
http://www.cadcamtrainer.com/index.html

I'll look for your post on BCC's website because I am there everyday and have not seen it.

Wow,
Just like bcc site cant post & no replys(as is pointed out)
another useless site
Bear

I have read all of your 6 posts on the BCC forum and most of them seem to be in a thread made by someone else.

When you need a specific question answered it is always best to start a New Thread in the proper section. This may be why no one answered your thread.

I appoligize for your question not being answered, but there are so many questions that it is difficult to answer all of them. Also many users volunteer information on their free time. It is possible that many users weren't going to the forums at that time. Maybe no one had an answer to your specific question.

Sorry you had a bad experience with the BCC forum:(

Good eveming Gentlemen
How do I get WINCNC software to recognise my BCC saved cam file? I am saving as *.cnc in BCC cam, however Wincnc only opens *.TAP.
BTW to everyone whom struggled with the propellers. I save in iges in Rhino. Open in BCC and check only SOLIDS. Then select all, generate g-code no more problems,
Best regards,
Piet Propeller

on cam side go to file-setup-save file extention to .txt

Thanks Mike, Will Wincnc read .txt? Stupid to ask (but I just had to step into that so I can remember the smell)
Piet propeller

when someone is learning there are no stupid question just sometimes stupid ansrews anytime. Peit we have a new site why not stop by register http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=1

Piet if you ever run DNC from bobcad most controller will require you to change file extension to .DNC

on cam side go to file-setup-save file extention to .txt

Piet, set the extension to .tap, not .txt

That should do it for you.

Piet, set the extension to .tap, not .txt

That should do it for you.

Gerry all controllers will read or should read a .txt file it's an EIA stander. Also if you save files as .txt and switch software or machine you do not have to reprocess tape 10 year down the road. All cad files should be saved as DXF or IGES for the same reason.

But he needs .tap files. He's getting .cnc files that don't work. Changing to .txt won't help him. He'll still need to rename them to .tap because that's what his control wants. Changing to .tap is what he wants to do, and will get him up and running with no problems.

Sure, all controllers *should* read .txt, or .cnc, or any other extension. But I don't know for sure that his does. If he changes to .tap, it doesn't matter.

You right it does matter. I have never found a machine controller that would not read a .txt and you can edit in MS notepad that what I like about .txt. My shop had to finally up grade to AutoCAD 2006 because customers where send us files and we had R12 and had all sort of issue. That the thing about software there supposed to be standers but I wonder if there really are any. The same software from an old version my not be able to open a newwer file and vise versa. That why I got in the habbbit of saving in dxf,igess and .txt

Its not just a matter of arbitrarily changing the file extension. Bobcad must specifically output the file in ASCII format, and specifically anything but *.CNC should work, because the *.cnc file is a special Bobcad file, and is not an ASCII text file. I know that Bobcad *.TAP files used to be an ASCII text format which you could rename at will to anything else you wanted, and it would still be a readable text file.

I reread his question, and I think we're all on the wrong page. He wants to open his .cnc file, but I wasn't thinking that that's not the g-code file. He needs to post his g-code and load that into his controller. I don't think he's doing that.

Piet had his bobcad set-up to save the g-code as a .cnc this is bobcad native format for code.He can save code any way he wants in bobcad but that a software set up issue

Piet had his bobcad set-up to save the g-code as a .cnc this is bobcad native format for code.He can save code any way he wants in bobcad but that a software set up issue


Mike is correct for what Piet needs. The setup of BCC is or may be different than most software and this is a common problem that users have in the begining steps.

Good evening Gentlemen,
My thanks to all of you sorting this out. I get somewhat lost with the prhases and meanings so.... Once more correct me if I am wrong.
1) Draw in Rhino , save as *.iges.or stl or dxf
2) Open *.iges in BCC as solid, select all, open cam, select 3d, select tool, generate code, select all, select tool, save as *.tap.
3) Open *.tap in wincnc and simulate to trace errors?

Thank you Gentlemen, I wonder why there is such a vast amount of file extensions. This one talks to that one, while that one will maybe talk to the other one and the other one simply ignores everybody else and marches west. Sorting out the threads of where to go with my file under my arm is hairraising. Maybe someone should design a file with a flow chart of what to do with ones manufacturing files once they have been created? Call it "File extensions and where to go with them explained for dummies" A quick reference by your combined knowledge, gentlemen, would put most lecturers and software developers to shame!
Best regards,
Piet propeller

Well I say you have it figure out Peit. This is why Bobcad put the set-up page on cam side. Your right it is mind blowing setting up software to talk to each other. Some software can't even open up newer version of them themselves in an iges format. Have fun with your shopbot and post some photo of your first prop when done. Take Bobcad version 21 It will not read bobnedt v1 only bobnest v2

Good evening Gentlemen,
My thanks to all of you sorting this out. I get somewhat lost with the prhases and meanings so.... Once more correct me if I am wrong.
1) Draw in Rhino , save as *.iges.or stl or dxf
2) Open *.iges in BCC as solid, select all, open cam, select 3d, select tool, generate code, select all, select tool, save as *.tap.
3) Open *.tap in wincnc and simulate to trace errors?

Thank you Gentlemen, I wonder why there is such a vast amount of file extensions. This one talks to that one, while that one will maybe talk to the other one and the other one simply ignores everybody else and marches west. Sorting out the threads of where to go with my file under my arm is hairraising. Maybe someone should design a file with a flow chart of what to do with ones manufacturing files once they have been created? Call it "File extensions and where to go with them explained for dummies" A quick reference by your combined knowledge, gentlemen, would put most lecturers and software developers to shame!
Best regards,
Piet propeller

If you look up the file extentions on the Internet you will find that IGES (International Graphics Exchange) and a few others were designed with your thoughts in mind. Waht happened is that over the years upgrades to each file extention things got messy.

I prefer to use DXF, STEP, SLDPRT, and DWG for extentions because of the quality. Iges have so many revisions that this day and age it is almost impossible to get a workable drawing or solid. BTW: BCC has the best Translaters in the business. I speak from 19 years of CAD Experience. Before all the "mumbojumbo" we have today.(wedge)

:cheers:

Hi I'm new here and would like to know if bobcat is any good

Hi I'm new here and would like to know if bobcat is any good

Well that depends on your application and what type of machining you do. Try a demo at www.bobcad.com you can also get a live demo of the software. Call Chad Clark at 877-262-2231 Ext. 124

BTW: welcome to CNC Zone, do you like Beer? :cheers:

Hi I'm new here and would like to know if bobcat is any good

I consider Bobcad the best in it's price range for the applications it can do. But like Toby said, It counts on your application. You need to consider all you wish to do and then ask about that type of application.

Bobcad has many features that more expensive software has and Version 22 will be out in a few months with many new features.

Check out the bobcad forum http://www.bobcad.com and also the one Sorin has (trainer for Bobcad) http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php

Sorin has free training videos for Bobcad users.

Hi I'm new here and would like to know if bobcat is any good

I bought BOBcad one month ago and slowly but surely with the extended help from the intellects in the CNCzone you can't go wrong. I have plagued them with endless horrendous questions and NOT one has come up with a smirky snickering answer. Each answer makes sense, straightforward and easy to understand and if you combine these genltemens answers with your training CD's you have the best of both worlds.
Piet propeller

Thanks for the kind words Piet. We try:idea:

didn't have much at IMTS this year

didn't have much at IMTS this year

Did you visit the BCC Booth?

Did you visit the BCC Booth?
spent 40 mins there didn't need to spend more than 5 from my point of view

spent 40 mins there didn't need to spend more than 5 from my point of view

Please tell us what was the waste of time? I have heard nothing but good things about ver 22. Was there a downside to the new version that I haven't heard about?

Hay you guys!!
Iam running ver 20.5 still learning how to use cnc/cad/cam/ect iam a tinker, don't have a shop and am not a machinest. with that said, can one of you guys post a simple code for say a gear with angled teath using x,y,z and a axes. just to see what it looks like in bcc. sometimes seeing how it done gives a mind ideas
Thanks
Mike

spent 40 mins there didn't need to spend more than 5 from my point of view


I'm a bit curious. What was so disappointing? I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like what you saw but please don't wreck it for everyone else. Are you a BCC user or just thread crashing?:(

I'm a bit curious. What was so disappointing? I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like what you saw but please don't wreck it for everyone else. Are you a BCC user or just thread crashing?:(

Seems like Gibbs (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936) to me :cool:

I just ordered The BobCad 21 and mill art. I use mastercam now but can't do any 3d on it. I am hoping that the BobCad is easy to work with and learn.
I have a Haas VF2 machining center. I do mostly medical work. But I am interested in the art to part that you talk about in your forum. Cant wait to get it and try it out.

Seems like Gibbs (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936) to me :cool:


BCC writes their own Software. They do not sell 3rd Party. Gibbs is a 3rd Party just like the rest.

BCC has nothing to do with Gibbs.:nono:

I just ordered The BobCad 21 and mill art. I use mastercam now but can't do any 3d on it. I am hoping that the BobCad is easy to work with and learn.
I have a Haas VF2 machining center. I do mostly medical work. But I am interested in the art to part that you talk about in your forum. Cant wait to get it and try it out.


Sure there are lots of good users here and on BCC Forum that would enjoy helping you. You can find BCC's website here http://216.117.147.20/bobcadsupport/forums/

If you guys think BobCad gets some hits on this site you should have been at IMTS. On several nights when our hall closed at 5pm we were still packed and doing demos till 5:30 and later. We had several occasions when we had to have people come back later to get a free pc to demo them on.

Bobcad is growing so fast that there are several more forums now than use to be.

here on the zone
Bobcad's sight
Sorin's sight
Yahoo
and one other I dare to mention that isn't a very good place to be


anyone know of other forums?

There is no doubt that BobCAD-CAM draws a crowd. You should have seen it at IMTS. Of course there were slow times but for the most part we always draw a crowd. The question is always..."How can you provide all that for the low cost?" Those that are hesitant need to look, not listen. And I can tell you...We haven't even started.
CNC Dude.

There is no doubt that BobCAD-CAM draws a crowd. You should have seen it at IMTS. Of course there were slow times but for the most part we always draw a crowd. The question is always..."How can you provide all that for the low cost?" Those that are hesitant need to look, not listen. And I can tell you...We haven't even started.
CNC Dude.

Can you give any small hints of what V23 will be? LOL, V22 hasn't even been released yet and here I am asking about V23:cheers:

Hey Toby

Let's first wait for 22. You don't know what it can do. Why push for something else? Let them first perfect this one. If they are hurried.....?

Hey Toby

Let's first wait for 22. You don't know what it can do. Why push for something else? Let them first perfect this one. If they are hurried.....?

Got a little carried away, Ooopps!!!!!!!!!:D

Got a little carried away, Ooopps!!!!!!!!!:D

Toby you have seen the progression we have made in going to the V22 and were blown away. That being said you should know that each version of our software released in the future will continue to grow in this manner.

Brett

Toby you have seen the progression we have made in going to the V22 and were blown away. That being said you should know that each version of our software released in the future will continue to grow in this manner.

Brett

The wait for V22 has become a little long since the first view of it's new capabilities. I guess I got a little Carried away:stickpoke . BCC has done wonders since V17. Keep up the great work guys.

:cheers:

Howdy folks,
I am using a Larken machine for my cutting, and using the latest bobcad for drawing etc. I do not have a Rs232 pert on the controller. I therefore need to pull the g-code file into a program called starcam before outputting the spooler to the controller software. The starcam program accepts g-code with the file extension listed as .NC. The BCC exports their g-code as .CNC and will not open in starcam. I have tried renaming the file extension from a .txt to a .NC, but this will not open in starcam either. Is there a way to export the file from bobcad to starcam as a .NC file?

Howdy folks,
I am using a Larken machine for my cutting, and using the latest bobcad for drawing etc. I do not have a Rs232 pert on the controller. I therefore need to pull the g-code file into a program called starcam before outputting the spooler to the controller software. The starcam program accepts g-code with the file extension listed as .NC. The BCC exports their g-code as .CNC and will not open in starcam. I have tried renaming the file extension from a .txt to a .NC, but this will not open in starcam either. Is there a way to export the file from bobcad to starcam as a .NC file?

Have you tried opening both programs and copy one paste to the other? Then save the file in Starcam as the file you need. This might work, but I'm not sure.

I will have to post two other links of forums that are mainly BobCAD users. Until then try this and see what happens.:cheers:
http://216.117.147.20/bobcadsupport/forums/
http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php


BTW: as a note on saving different files on the CAM side of BCC use the "Save AS" in the File Menu

The file extension from the NC can be changed in the setup menu of the NC side. However you need to save as from the NC window not from the Bobcad CAD window. The CAD save is for everything including the CAD window. The NC save as is for saving the G-Code into a file for the controller to read.

I believe Sorin's videos cover this.

Hello everyone, my name is Keith and I run a part time sign business. I purchased a DynaCNC 48 x 48 router and had some difficulty settting it up and getting it running. Many thanks to Steve at Dynacnc. I am having trouble getting the outside of raised routed letters to have a smooth finish. No matter what tool step over it does not seem to help. I am machining MDF letters from 2.5" -5" letter height with a 1/4" flat end mill. I have played with the step over from 1/2 of the tool to less than 1/2 and I still have the small indentations of the 1/8" radius. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks and I look forward to sharing ideas and problems. Mostly problems until I can somewhat master BobCad and BobArt ProX.
thanks
Keith

Selmac I don't know if this will work for you or not, but I had to delete the txt part of the extension and just leave the . otherwise my machine would't reconize it.

Hello everyone, my name is Keith and I run a part time sign business. I purchased a DynaCNC 48 x 48 router and had some difficulty settting it up and getting it running. Many thanks to Steve at Dynacnc. I am having trouble getting the outside of raised routed letters to have a smooth finish. No matter what tool step over it does not seem to help. I am machining MDF letters from 2.5" -5" letter height with a 1/4" flat end mill. I have played with the step over from 1/2 of the tool to less than 1/2 and I still have the small indentations of the 1/8" radius. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks and I look forward to sharing ideas and problems. Mostly problems until I can somewhat master BobCad and BobArt ProX.
thanks
Keith

Are you solid machining these or are you profile milling? It sounds like you are doing this part as a solid. Let us know as this makes a big difference on the help you need.

Any Bobcad Users from around the Spartanburg SC Area? I shore could use some hep!
Bill
:cheers:

Any Bobcad Users from around the Spartanburg SC Area? I shore could use some hep!
Bill
:cheers:

Sorry Bill I am in NY if that helps;)

I will be down that way in a few weeks if all goes well. I live in Bristol, TN. but I contract out program work on Jungner CNC grinders. I have a customer located there by the name of SC Tool Services. They sharpen and manufacture tooling for machining applications. They can make a drill cut better than factory (even the high cost ones).

I build four differnt machines. I use bobcad and mach2 but i never did find out how to use rapid moves G00. If i use G00 my steppers can,t handle the speed. Is there a place to cgange the speed of rapid moves? I tried tunning the steppers in mach2 but had no luck.