Heres a pic of my set up.

And another.

A few CF tail fins.

Looks cool, i like the enclosure.

PEACE:D

Originally posted by hardmill
Looks cool, i like the enclosure.

i was just thinking the same thing.

i was planning on making one out of plexi, but i think i may go with something like this one instead.

good job ECRC

What heli are those for?

Thanks for the compliments on the enclosure guys!!!:D

The parts are for the piccolo, feda, hornet.... or any other small elec helis. The new frame is for the FP piccolo. I have a few things in the works for my Raptor 30 as well.

Doug

Love the door on the enclosure too.
Do you have gas lifts on it how are you holding it up?
Does it help with the noise much?

Originally posted by DaSigntist
Love the door on the enclosure too.
Do you have gas lifts on it how are you holding it up?
Does it help with the noise much?

Thanks!! No gas lifts yet, been to bussy trying to get this thing working right!!! At the moment I'm using a bungy(SP?) cord to a hook from the ceiling. And YES!! it does wonders for the noise!!

Doug

could you send some pictures of the rails? I was wondering, your machine looks smaller than some around here... I would like one about that size. What are the x,y,z dimensions?

Ernie

What material are these liberty cnc router tables made from?
The cutting deck looks to be MFD. What is the red material?

What sort of linear rails does it have?

Tim T

Originally posted by ECRC
Thanks for the compliments on the enclosure guys!!!:D

The parts are for the piccolo, feda, hornet.... or any other small elec helis. The new frame is for the FP piccolo. I have a few things in the works for my Raptor 30 as well.

Doug

Where do you fly at, I'm in Jersey too?

Is definately a winner...

When the "lid" is up, there seems to be enough working space.

When i would use this concept, there would be a little problem, because i dont have that much room above my machine.

Funny, my two biggest anymies in my project seem to be volume and gravity.

Good luck with the rest of your project. Are you gonna post those chopper / heli toolpaths on the FTP section?

Ed.

I like your enclosure, nice! Guess what , I got my machine today!!!!! Now I have to wait to get the repair parts from Charles to fix it after it got UPS"d. But it does look good!

Doug,
Thanks for your post, "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery", so please consider yourself imitated! (appreciated) That is an excellent enclosure, I see it in my future.
Do you make your own CF sheet or can it be bought? ...like those parts too.
Man, there's a lot of guys doing cool stuff all over the place. Glad to be alive in this day and age.
Take care,
Ed

Thanks for all of the nice comments guys!!!

TopSpin80,
Here is a pic of the y,z. The x,y rails seem to bee 3/4" The cut area is 15x11x3.5.

Topspin, here is the pic.


thielert.
The red you see is aluminum.

CNCadmin,
I fly(if you want to call it that!!) at a few local parks. Where are you at in Jersey, I'm about 3 min from the CherryHill mall?

Mr.Ed,
I may post the tool paths after they hit to open market, and are there for a bit. If you like them shoot me a PM. I don't sell my products to the GP I only design, test, and manufacture, but beta testers are always needed!! I lay up all CF, and Firber glass in house.

turkgeltz,
I'm so glad it got there!!! But, I hope the repairs are minimal. I stopped using UPS after they crunched a few of my boat hulls.

machine ed,
Have at it Buddy!!!! I'm glad you like it. I needed somthing that would be simple yet give me the room to work!! That and I was all to happy to get rid of the spare wood and plexy I had around the shop.




Doug

Doug, I got a question for you. How many ipm can you run yours at and did you get any clamps with your? UPS bent up my back 2 feet, stripped loose the 4 screws that hold down the yz axis so that it wasn't even connected and floped around, with in turn poped out the bearing on the end of the x axis screw. He's overnighting me the parts tomorrow. He just got back in town and the problem was with the person he left to (run the store). UPS was so good that I found an envelope laying in the snow in my front yard, overnight express, urgent delivery, laying in the snow for someone 2 miles away. When I called him to pick it up, he said it was an already activated credit card! Nice.

I'm running around 15-20imp, but flashcut doesn't seem to let the machine run as fast as mach2.

Whet makes it even worse is that now UPS and all other shipping co.'s have there holdiday part timers in the mix!!! I hope he doesn't putz around with getting you the parts!!!

Doug

Almost for got, no clamps with the machine. I use 1/4x20 bolts.

I think i'll get them pretty quick now. Here's what I'm working on doing., still trying to get the bugs out! IF it'll let me post a pic.

pic

Very COOL!!!!!!! Is the wood stained or burned and what type of cutter?

Doug

It's stained and done with a 60 degree v-bit. Still working out the finishing process on it, not there yet. It took over 4 hrs. to cut on my homemade, anxious to see how it come out on this new machine and how fast I can run it. I'll be using the dos setup they have. I see it has a plot function in it to see the toolpath before you run the program, which is helpful.

Originally posted by turkgeltz
I think i'll get them pretty quick now. Here's what I'm working on doing., still trying to get the bugs out! IF it'll let me post a pic.

Nice, what are you using to generate the gcode?

turkgeltz, Hows the new Liberty going? Just curious - how about some pics.:D

HI there! Been tied up with it. It's working fine since I replaced the parts ups messed up. Working out the top speeds I can run it at, currently 30ipm with no problems so far. Doing mostly carvings with it right now. I seem to have different motors than Doug has.

Heres 1 of the carvings!

Try again

Another

Originally posted by turkgeltz
Try again

wow. awesome!

Thanks! I'm using the imagecarve software to make them. Having trouble with the stain when using plywood. Can't seem to get it to stain even. Like this!

Cool....don't use plywood...I think that is the answer..:)

Eric

Yea, I'm about resigned to that. Got 1 more thing to try 1st , though. Plywood is a cheaper way to go but what works, works.

Excellent!!! Machine and carvings. Looks like it is working great! Can't wait to get one. Thanks for the photos. :D

The machine and carvings look great!!! What kind of motors are they?

Doug

They say shinano Kenshi.co. sst58d5810 1.8 deg step. I imagine they're the same size as yours, just a different brand. BUt I don't know how to tell the size of them by the numbers. Thanks, I'm slowly getting the pictures how I want them, still not there yet, but making progress. How're you making out with yours? Got it down pat yet?

They are the same brand as yours, but mine are the sst55d3c020. There 1.8 deg. step 6v, 1.2A. Your's are the next size up, I guess?

I'm still having problems with my z axis, I've been told that the z controler is bad? I will be calling Charles in the am about it.

Doug

I don't know about the size if they're different or not. I don't know how to check that. Is your z axis losing steps?

Those carvings are amazing!:)
Have you tried it on plastic?


I hadn't checked out the Liberty site until today - I was stunned by the total lack of information. I'm a bit surprised that anyone would buy one after viewing their site.

The machine is obviously far superior to their site.

What made you guys take the leap of faith and spend 2K or more on one? Was it the telephone support, recommendations from users here, or something else?

Originally posted by Verboten
Those carvings are amazing!:)
Have you tried it on plastic?


I hadn't checked out the Liberty site until today - I was stunned by the total lack of information. I'm a bit surprised that anyone would buy one after viewing their site.

The machine is obviously far superior to their site.

What made you guys take the leap of faith and spend 2K or more on one? Was it the telephone support, recommendations from users here, or something else?

I have offered them to use this site for free to offer supprt, to no avail.

Yea , we have more information here about the machine than on their site! They don't seem to be to web literate. They know they need to but I think the owner is just too busy. The machines are well made and seem to be fairly accurate. Once I get satisfied on these image carvings, I'm going to try inlaying 1 wood on another. That will show how much accuracy I'm getting. But so far they seem nice.

Originally posted by turkgeltz
I don't know about the size if they're different or not. I don't know how to check that. Is your z axis losing steps?

If I have the step,pulse, and enable set where it's supposed to be the z axis will move whenever it feels like it. I can get it to behave if I set the motors up backwards ie.. low verse high.

I talked to Charles today and we determined that the controler is bad, and a new one is on the way.


Doug

BTW- I love those carvings!!!!

I'm sorry to hear about the controller! It shouldn't be too hard to change! Murphy's law once again! Yours came in 1 piece, mine busted up, but you still have to fix yours!!!! What software are you using and top speeds? I'm not convinced I like their DOS software. Thanks about the carvings, was hurrying to do them for presents for the Holidays! I think I finally got it down right! How's this?

Originally posted by turkgeltz
I'm sorry to hear about the controller! It shouldn't be too hard to change! Murphy's law once again! Yours came in 1 piece, mine busted up, but you still have to fix yours!!!! What software are you using and top speeds? I'm not convinced I like their DOS software. Thanks about the carvings, was hurrying to do them for presents for the Holidays! I think I finally got it down right! How's this?

wow.

how deep do you go when you cut these?
what material did you end up using?

Thanks! That's hard Maple! It's only going about .02 deep. It takes some fooling around to get it to come out right and I need to work on the finish some more, but the photos come out real good with detail!

Originally posted by turkgeltz
I'm sorry to hear about the controller! It shouldn't be too hard to change! Murphy's law once again! Yours came in 1 piece, mine busted up, but you still have to fix yours!!!! What software are you using and top speeds? I'm not convinced I like their DOS software. Thanks about the carvings, was hurrying to do them for presents for the Holidays! I think I finally got it down right! How's this?

When I find Mr. Murphy I think I'll introduce him to my BMG .50 cal.!!!!!! The controler isn't hard to pull out, just a few screws. I'm running flash cut, and getting about 20 ipm. The way I have the motors set up this is as fast as they will go. When set up properly, 35-40 ipm should be no problem.

Those carvings are awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!! What programs are you using, to convert the pics?

Doug

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!

I'm using imagecarve! It works really well! I've been hurrying around cutting things to get it all right. Made a couple from old pictures for presents! This one is the best I've done now. I'm glad you got yours running again. I've been able to push mine up to about 40 to 45 ipm and its been dependable.

How I have the motors set up isn't the best, but it will do until the new board gets here. I'm very glad to see yours is running good. How is the accuracy?

Doug

That is some very fine carving/routing! I'll bet your gift recipients were pleased...and amazed!

Please share with us the details. Stepover, depth, tool type and size, and staining technique.

Thanks.

Eric

The accuracy seems to be very good on the machine. I haven't put a indicator on it to check seeing as its hasn't presented itself as a problem and as you can see from the pictures it's well worth the money for being consistant.

As far as the pictures, they're only .015 to.020 deep, so your surface has to be flat! I'm using a v-bit with a .012 to .019 stepover depending on the picture and resolution. YOu put on a light oil stain and after drying lightly sand off the high spots, then put on a clear finish coat. It takes some playing around to get it right. Basically getting the right feel for the stain and sanding. This drove me crazy for weeks to figure it out. It's got to be light colored hardwoods. Plywood works if you don't go too deep, which is what the above picture is cut from, actually the back of a sheet of paneling.

what type of cutting is it, do you cut it in "line-printer" style or do you run one horizontal cut and then a vertical?

Turkzeltz
Nice work, I'm sure you made some people very happy with thoes presents.

On some woods there are areas that when stained will appear blotchy. This can be minimized if the cut drawing is treated with a wood conditioner before staining. The conditioner acts as a sealent, sealing the surface thus preventing the stain from making the softer areas darker and blotchy.
It can be applied with a brush or rag, however a rag might snag in the etching.

Plywood is made up of multiple layers and sometimes even the top layer will be from different pieces of wood. Try the conditioner on a piece of plywood, the results might be better.

What kind of wood are you using?

Is the surface "fuzzy" from cutting, and if so how do you remove the "fuzz"?

Regards
Hager:) :) :)

All the pictures are cut going 1 directionup and down against the grain. I do use wood conditioner on the wood pryer to staining. It helps some, depending on the wood. If there's fussyness I lightly sand it before I stain. Usually if it does that the bits either too dull or the woods just too soft. This picture is on burch plywood with the wood conditioner applied prier to staining. Notice the grain still appears. On some things it looks good. But its like pot luck on plywood.

Sounds like you'r in a good testing mode.
It's not on wood but how about cutting copper, vinyl,. . . and then roll paint/ink on the surface and pressing onto paper. Like the old lonelium (SP???) block printing. Using various textured papers you might get a good looking print.

Hager

INteresting thought! I might try cutting a image in a piece of plexiglass to see the outcome if I can figure out what would look good cut there.

If you come up with a good way to cut plexy please let me know!!!! No matter how slow the cutter speed I still get a big ball of melted plastic on the end of the cutter.


Doug

BTW- The machine is running great, Charles may be a little slow with shipping, but customer service is great and the parts got here quick!!!!!

Originally posted by ECRC
If you come up with a good way to cut plexy please let me know!!!! No matter how slow the cutter speed I still get a big ball of melted plastic on the end of the cutter.

early on when i could only run my machine at 9ipm i used an air compressor to air cool the bit as well as ejecting all the chips.

at 20 ipm i can cut thru the plexi just fine without air cooling, but i guess it'll be different if you are not cutting all the way thru.

plexiglass! It cut ok but I think sandblastings the way to go for that. Can you guess what movie star it is? I put some stain on it for contrast.

Just wanted to drop in here and say that the conversation between you two has convinced me to choose a Liberty machine. Well, that and those nice carvings. :)

This will be my first machine so I'm pretty sure I'll be back in here with several questions once it actually arrives. I'm looking at Mach 2 for the software right now but that might change once I actually test it out. I do know I would prefer a windows based software as it will be easier to hook up my garage computer to my home computer via network and I gave my Dos 6.0 disks away years ago. :)

Have fun and keep the chips flying.

I think you'll like it! It's a well built machine and accurate. Doug says the owner is coming out with some windows based software for it, so you might check up on that.

turkgeltz,
Sorry it's been a while since my last post, I went and and upgraded a ferw PC's in my network and had a few problems. You know what they say, "if it ait broke, don't fix it" well I can't seem to get the don't fix it part right!!!!LOL

That plexy carving is great!!! but I can't figure out who it is!!

Yraen,
It is a great machine, and not only is Liberty coming out with a windows based control program, Charles said he's working on a laser!!!!

Doug

Actually that's Natalie Portman ( Princess in Attack of the clones)! I got the picture on line 1 day and thought it'd make a great cutout. But the real picture does here more justice. I know what you mean about the computers! I bought a new dell for Christmas, had it 2 days then put in a new video card because I didn't like what it had. A lazer huh? I'd be interested in that and what it'd be priced at. It's too cold to cut much right now. I have my machine in my unheated garage. I liked your enclosure though and enclosed mine as well. It definitely cuts down on the dust.

I think he said the laser will be around $13,000-15,000. Cheap compared to what the others are priced at.
Ahhh Star Wars, one of my favoret moves(all of them)!!!!

I just started to mess arounmd with the DOS program, I like it, but the windows program is much easier!!! Maybe with some time to get up to speed with it, I'll use it more. I do kike the evraving feature though!!!

I hooked up a small wet/dry vac to the spindal and with the enclosure door shut, dust and noise are almost gone!!!!

Doug

P.S. If your cold in your shop.....mine has heat and I have a few images I would like carved in plexy!!!!!!!(You being the man with the know how and all!!LOL).I'm only about an 8 hour drive for ya!!

ECRC: I'd be glad to try and help with your computer problems if you're still having them. I've got a 5 computer network here at home that I built.

It's getting close enough to my delivery time that I need to start thinking about the supplies I will be needing. I wonder if either of you (or anyone) can suggest some bits to use for aluminum, copper and plexiglass. One of the first things I'm going to be building will be a custom computer case and water cooling system for my main machine.

Have fun.

Marc

This is what it can look like in acrylic. This is 8x10 and cut in 3/16 white acrylic at a depth of 0.11. I cut it at 150ipm and it took 3 hours. Used a 60deg v bit at 0.10 stepover in one direction. Hold it up to the light and it looks stunning. The acrylic is just sitting in a window.

VERY NICE! Is that .011 deep or .110 deep? And what software did you use?

Originally posted by whiteriver
This is what it can look like in acrylic. This is 8x10 and cut in 3/16 white acrylic at a depth of 0.11. I cut it at 150ipm and it took 3 hours. Used a 60deg v bit at 0.10 stepover in one direction. Hold it up to the light and it looks stunning. The acrylic is just sitting in a window.

awesome

Its 0.11 deep. Used Mach2

Great carving. Are you using V bits that have a point or flat on the end?

Steve

Whoa! That is very, very sweet. Put a light behind that in a frame and it would look real nice on a wall. One idea for lighting it can be found here. http://www.metku.net/index.html?sect=view&n=1&path=mods/router/index_eng

acrylic...would LEXAN work?

Yup, lexan will work too.

You can get florescent colors in Plexiglas and use a white florescent light and WOW looks like neon.

Hehe....nothing like a naked chick on your desk for all to see...lol

60 or 90 deg V bit with a sharp point works best so far. Have done it with a dull bit but didn't look good. Not enough detail.
As for Lexan or Polycarb. No It gumms up to much. If someone has done it in Lexan I would love to see it and learn how you did it.
Attached is another one I did in red acrylic.

Donny

Opps here it is.

beautiful work!! I'm impressed! You said you're using mach 2 to run your machine. I'm curious what software you are using to make the program with? Is it meshcam, deskart, imagecarve? I'll have to find a piece it acrylic and try it. I tried plexiglass but it gets a little gummy.

Excuse my ignorance on plastic but is plexiglass and acrylic the same?

Hello,

Yes. Plexiglas is a registered trademark for Rohm and Haas's version of acrylic plastic sheet.

Like Kleenex and facial tissue...

Or Xerox and photocopier...

Hope this helps,

Ballendo