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Is anyone making anything in version 19 yet. I'm thinking about upgrading from 17 but haven't really heard any reviews about 19 yet. Just wondering if anyone is doing any 3d parts yet. Or anything, of any kind in 19.
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View Full Version : Parts cut in version 19 Arch 12-05-2003, 09:59 AM Is anyone making anything in version 19 yet. I'm thinking about upgrading from 17 but haven't really heard any reviews about 19 yet. Just wondering if anyone is doing any 3d parts yet. Or anything, of any kind in 19. Konrad 12-06-2003, 12:21 AM Hi there, I'm in the same shoes, have downloaded 19 and tinkering around with it but I think, you are very limited, to what you can do with solids. But then, I'm not an Expert! Bobcad phoned me twice, and they are really "Pushy" to sell it! But in the meantime I have to deal with my new V 18, I have installed a month ago. I couldn't get it registered yet,the number they gave me didn't work. I found out later that you have to put your numbers in, while bobcad is "open" This I couldn't do because I have 18 installed at home, where they couldn't reach me. I don't know the next step! I have E mailed 2 more times with no response. One thing about V19 demo I really like is, you can Import DXF Files from Bobcad support Forum, it automatically comes up in your Demo. Konrad CNCdude 12-08-2003, 12:01 PM Konrad, If you are having difficulty registering your software, just give me a call at 877-262-2231 ext. 12. We'll get you set up. Sales guys are just doing their jobs. Sincerely, CNC dude Konrad 12-11-2003, 08:21 PM Thanks CNC dude, Everything is fine with V 18. I have registered successfully, after I tried 1 - 800 number. Let's her from the Experts, what are doing Parts with V 19. [Solids] How does the Solids compare, with some other higher ends software like ONE, Mastercam etc. Konrad Konrad 12-11-2003, 11:52 PM Hi, Just me again! I can't open the Select Entities toolbar, like single, chain, region on window,even tough I have activated all of them in Environment settings. V 18 Did I forget something?? Thanks Konrad CNCdude 12-12-2003, 09:21 AM Hi Konrad, If you have the selection toolbar option selected in the Environment settings, it should be there docked on the far left wall of the screen. Check those settings for me and let me know if the problem still exists. Please don't compare Version 19 to MasterCAM. That would not be fair. We are working to add functions and modeling options at this time for all V19 customers. This will definately narrow the gap but we are not MasterCAM. It is just a matter of time and money actually, before we are on the same page. I don't know of anyone named "one." Sincerely, CNC dude motomitch1 12-12-2003, 01:38 PM ONE= ONE CNC XP CNCdude 12-12-2003, 01:50 PM Thanks for the data mitch. Anyway, back to Konrad, look for some new functionality for the Version 19 in the coming months. CNC dude Rekd 12-12-2003, 01:59 PM This will definately narrow the gap but we are not MasterCAM. It is just a matter of time and money actually, before we are on the same page ;) 'Rekd CNCdude 12-12-2003, 02:50 PM Howdy Paul, what's happening man. Time and money.......... At this point, money is good. It's really more like time. We'll get there. I always try to be real with manufacturers that I talk to. We would really like to add a load of new functions for the woodworking industry to tell you the truth. There are so many cabinet makers and sign makers out there that already have earlier versions of BobCAD, we would like to get them some nice functionality that would help them too. CNC dude Konrad 12-12-2003, 08:21 PM Hi CNC dude, Yes, It's like I said, I have all the Toolbar selected in the Environment settings and nothing appears on screen! I don't have that problem in V 17 and Demo 19. Konrad CNCdude 12-16-2003, 01:32 PM Konrad, It is possible that the toolbar is not docked but is behind your taskbar. Lower your taskbar and see if this is the case. I don't know why this was happening. CNCdude Konrad 12-28-2003, 09:28 PM OK, toolbar is fixed, Bobcad Support E-mailed me a patch. But now I have other problems.....man it takes forever for them to respond! This is what I send. Dear Sir, I have some more problems in regards "Customizing G codes." Conversion axes on my Maho mill looks like this: Y - D Z - Y D - Z J - K Scale Factor I have set X - 1, because X plus have to become minus. Now here is the problem: In the G2 , G3, it looks like this X -.5 Z 0 I -.5 K 0 K-1 So I have K-1 what I don't need! Can you tell me please how to fix it. When I set X-1 in the scaling factor, it will not safe it , it will go back to X1 by it self! Could you please make me a proper Post for my Maho mill, I did convert an existing one for now, but it's just not the "real thing" Thanks Konrad stanleyr 01-02-2004, 12:35 PM Originally posted by Arch Is anyone making anything in version 19 yet. I'm thinking about upgrading from 17 but haven't really heard any reviews about 19 yet. Just wondering if anyone is doing any 3d parts yet. Or anything, of any kind in 19. I started with 18 and also have 19 upgrade. I have trained on 18 with the manual and CD ROMs and the 19 upgrade is not too hard to figure out. I heard from BobCad that 17 and 18 are different and 18 is a much better product. I haven't made anything with 18 yet, but I have used 19 to make my part. It contained many solid pieces 'unioned' and 'stitched' together. Unfortunately, when I try to offset the surface, BobCad errors out and shuts down. I don't know why this occurs, but I believe it can't handle the amount of solids (over 75) I have on a single drawing. So now I am breaking the drawing apart and doing it over in two halves. The software is working with this method a bit better, but I will have to combine the drawing again for the finish pass - so I will be waiting to see what happens with that! If the error I was getting was related to drawing size or surface and solids amounts, I wish BobCad would have some sort of software resources counter that warns you when the drawing contains too much surfacing detail and that you should break it up into separate drawings. When you generate the 'solids' tool path, you don't have the choice of where the starting point is after the move away from X0 Y0. It seems to always go to the bottom right hand corner of the path. When my part is finished, I will try to clip an image of it to this discussion group. CNCdude 01-02-2004, 12:49 PM Hi Stanleyr, I would be interested in having a look at your model or surface file to see for myself what is happening. Is it possible for you to email me this file? If so, email it to chris@bobcad.com. I would be happy to evaluate the part and give you the information that you need. If there is a bug or problem with the function, we will get it to the right source for the fix. Thank you. CNC dude CNCdude 01-02-2004, 12:53 PM Dear Konrad, This is not the right forum for BobCAD Technical Support. My technical support personel do not monitor this forum for support issues. I monitor this forum because I care about your success with our software. Please contact support directly at 727-489-0003. We will be happy to assist you in any way we can. Thank you, CNC dude eintnl 01-08-2004, 06:12 AM Noticed CNCdude posted some pics of parts being cad drawings in an earlier post. I'd like to see some parts machined via V19 too. Cheers, Paul. CNCdude 01-08-2004, 09:14 AM Hi Paul, I am producing specific case studies that can be accessed on our website at www.bobcad.com. These studies include pictures of parts that have been made with the BobCAD-CAM software. I will be adding more case studies soon. If you have a part that you have finished with the software, share it with us. I would be happy to see what you did. Sincerely, CNC dude eintnl 01-09-2004, 07:35 PM Howdy CNCdude, Yep i would really like to see some parts via V19. See what success people are having with it. We'd recently purchased bobcad-cam V17 & 18 off an unhappy customer. Currently just having a fiddle, though the guy we purchased it off said there was a patch for V18 that was being modified etc, which since seems nothing has eventuated. Only the release of V19, so i am wondering whether the patch for V18 has been scrapped or not? Have had a squiz at V19 via the demo and am reluctant to purchase at the moment. Probably will wait to see what V20 has to offer. Cheers, Paul. CNCdude 01-10-2004, 11:09 AM Sounds fine Paul, I'd like to know who this unhappy cuatomer was so that I can get things cleared up. Anyway, We did issue a patch for V18 some months ago and it is available for download. If you have any questions regarding your demo I am available. CNC dude eintnl 01-11-2004, 02:10 AM Thanks, will have a squiz at the downloads. Paul. eintnl 01-11-2004, 06:27 AM CNCdude, Can you provide a link to the download, i am unable to locate it. Thanks, Paul. CNCdude 01-12-2004, 09:28 AM Paul, Go to www.bobcadsupport.com and select the "downloads" link on the left side of the site. Then select "patches" for V18. Any patches will be listed there. The topic of this thread is "Parts cut in version 19." Do you have any input on this topic? CNC dude anoel 01-12-2004, 10:18 AM Yeah, some real parts would be nice to see. 100% BobCAD/CAM designed and modeled in V19, no imported models. The models and screen shots are nice but some physical parts being made would be better. BobCAD is at about the top of the $ that I'd be willing to spend on a software package for home use. I've not looked too hard at it but some good teasing with some good 2.5D and 3D parts might sway me to look closer. As nice as MasterCAM and OneCNC are there's no way I'd ever justify that kind of purchase for hobby use. BobCAD maybe :) CNCdude 01-12-2004, 10:44 AM Yep, That's why I started this thread. To see what people were doing and to have them post their pics here. I mentioned earlier that there is a case study section on our website that I will be adding to. There are some parts that you can view there. And so, if someone would like to post something here.....that would be cool. Version 19 is not a sophisticated CAD design system with solids yet, even though there is functionality available in it for solid design. Of course we will be adding functionality in future upgrades. The idea was to allow for the importation of solids and surface type files for machining. In fact, there is more functionality in V19 than originally planned. To be compared to MasterCAM would be wrong. To satisfy your own questions, why not download a demo of Version 19 at www.bobcad.com. I would be happy to give you a tour over the phone. Sincerely, Chris CNC dude anoel 01-12-2004, 11:09 AM While solids are nice I CAN do them in other applications. I'm more interested in a good set of Surface tools. Does BobCAD do nurbs surfaces or is it only Polygonal? I'm most interested in it for it's CAM features than anything. I can do my modelling in any nuber of applications. Will BobCAD handle NURBS is the biggest thing for me. I've not noticed any particular mention of them in any of the site literature. (I did'nt look very hard but it would have caught my eye if it was there.) CNCdude 01-12-2004, 11:16 AM BobCAD V19 will allow you to import a IGES or STEP solid model, not STL or Parasolid files yet. Right now you have planer roughing and finishing toolpath options for a ball end mill. There are other toolpath options as well. Download the demo at www.bobcad.com and call me at 877-262-2231 ext 12 or 727-442-3554 ext 12 and I can walk you through it. It sounds to me like you may find version 19 sufficient for your needs. CNC dude eintnl 01-12-2004, 05:32 PM CNCdude, I have just learned that the patch hasn't been there for months now, it was retracted! Can you or somebody else from Bobcad let me know what's happened, happening with the V18 patch please? - - - - - Like i said earlier, yep i would also like to see some parts cut in V19, (preferably pics of metal parts!) For me personally this is important. I would at least like to see what success customers are having with it, prior to consideration of purchase! - - - - - Going by a few of your posts your very quick to cut people down. I am only interested in friendly discussion dude! Paul. CNCdude 01-13-2004, 09:10 AM Paul, I have done nothing on this forum but attempt to help manufacturers that have had certain things come up that needed to be addressed. There are 2 patches on the BobCAD support forum. If they do not apply to your situation, then it is obvious that the answer is no. There is no new patch. It would be a good idea that you email or call technical support if you need help. This isn't "cutting you down." I have made attempts to direct you to the right place several times now. While I attempt to help you, you continue to post messages up here that are adversarial in nature. I'm beginning to wonder what your actual objectives are in this thread. As for parts made with BobCAD, I have directed you already on two occasions to the location where you can find them. Have you had a look? Yes, it would be great to see what people are making out of "metal" with our software. CNC dude John S. 01-13-2004, 10:14 AM CNC Dude, Has the random Z plunge been fixed in V19? It was there in 17, I have had experiances of it and although I never upgraded to 18 I heard reports it was still there. Can you confirm or deny that Bobcad 19 is the old Vector V 7 bought off Centriforce.? CNCdude 01-13-2004, 10:32 AM V19 is in no way connected with anyone named, "Centerforce." And I do understand the question and am aware of that company. Where did that come from? Where did you hear that? I am not aware of a random Z plunge in V19 either. We have developed the Version 19 ourselves and I would be very curious to know how you came to that question. CNC dude turmite 01-13-2004, 03:34 PM Just little support for Chris here! I have used v17 for almost 2yrs and have never had a random z plunge. I am curious if that is something that happened to several different customsers. The only time I ever had a z plunge that was not supposed to be there was when I inputted the wrong #'s during an edit! turmite Boss302 01-13-2004, 07:20 PM Have used Ver.17 for over a year and never had any random Z plunges and also the two patches for Ver. 18 are on the support site as I check in every few days they've always been there. Just upgraded to Ver. 19 and though I'm still getting used to it (lot different than Ver.17)I'm glad I spent the money. Thanks BobCad and the whole team there.;) John S. 01-13-2004, 07:27 PM As I mentioned I have V 17 but no longer use it. I still partly follow the progress though. I believe that the mentions of the Z plunge in V18 were on the Bobcad site support page. I have had it happen about three times in V17, the first time it caught me out unawares and wrecked a costly job. After that and because of some reversed G02/G03 issues that didn't show on the Bobcad screen but reversed the arcs on cutting I bought a third pary simulator to check the code. That caught the other spurious Z moves before any damage was done. The reference to Centriforce was made by Fred Smith of Vector on the CAD_CAM Yahoo group. eintnl 01-14-2004, 01:58 AM CNCdude, now now. I asked you a simple question and you could not respond without throwing back the question to me. You know if you didn't know, a simple yes/ no, not sure would have been suffice! With this level of service i am really starting to wonder why i am bothering with your product!!! Paul. Bloy2004 01-14-2004, 02:19 AM defense of CNCdude Eintnl: Your post #28 is hardly a simple question. Why don't you call Chris and talk to him directly about your problem...tomorrow. I have V18 and V19 and find them straight forward and do all that I need without quirks. Soon I hope to be able to find time and actually make a part with it. And I HAVE talked with CNCdude over the phone and he has been a super help in getting me all that I need. eintnl 01-14-2004, 04:52 AM Bloy it is ok. I except that the patch for V18 was retracted because it did more harm than good, and so is no longer available. It would be nice if it did become available in future, though i do not expect this. I will not bother bringing this up any further, nor participating in this forum. Regards, Paul. inthedark 01-26-2004, 12:17 PM How does this look? It's made of stainless steel. Cut with a Bridgeport Series II CNC, with a MachineMaster retrofit PC controller. I have many issues creating tool paths for some reason in V19, probably cause I'm green. CNCdude 01-26-2004, 01:51 PM Cool. What kind of machine do you have? CNC dude:D Here's one that was done with BobCAD software. Bloy2004 01-26-2004, 02:09 PM Ah! That's inspiring! Kookaburra 01-27-2004, 10:58 PM eintl, Give me a call when you get a chance and let's talk a bit. Your Aussie Contact for BobCAD. My number is 02 4257 4111. DDR 03-09-2004, 01:54 AM Hi Folks! The knife above is my design. The one shown is the factory version of my custom knives. I have been using bobcad for 10 years now. I have used several other cad cam systems. I have to say I always come back to bobcad. I am a hardcore gcode person. I am in hopes that bobcad will get the 3 d modeling to a state that it is designer smart. I feel if we keep moving bobcad in the right direction it will happen. Solid modeling needs to be designer, programmer smart. Bobcad could get away from the strange name and processes that are just to off the beaten path of someone who understands where they want a radius, arc, circle, point, hole, ctr bore etc. It just baffles me why the solid folks dont get it. It is simple. Just make the program do what we ask in terms that mean what they really are. Nurbs, etc dont mean squat to me. I just want a radius on this chain and this side plain of .120 r. I feel this would be the right way to make models easy. I feel bobcad is about the easiest cad cam I have ever used in my 30 year of nc and cnc. I have used about all of the major systems. I have not used catia. I hear its great but I will never be able to afford it. Some cad cam systems require that you select several things before the system will cut a part. I guess that is just to much control for me. it just takes to long and doesnt allow me to cut the part the way I want to cut it. Version 19 is great. The 3d is much better to design and cut with the skin function. The other part (solids) is still under construction. I haven't even went there. Glen told me it will be great when it is done. I hope they keep it simple and make is so that it works like programmers and designers can understand instead of the way solids people understand. It is a cad cam system right? SO make it act like one with solids. Make it easy. Anyway I am not plugging myself here but the post is about parts made with bobcad cam. Just take a look at this link. Go to folders and autos. The newest addition is the AXD knife. It has 3d scale that are inset the frame. All of the knives on my site are machined with bobcad. http://www.darrelralph.com I did like the onecnc solids system. The only problem is that the frame of the AXD knife has a .12 r on the edge. onecnc would not put the radius on the edge of this frame. Also the code was excellent from one cnc. What it output to my control was not. It has all kinds of their code controlling everything in the send and receive. It sent weird headers etc. This is not for me. I had much problems uploading and downloading from my control so I said no thanks. If you like bobcad 17 as for function onecnc is very very close to this version of bobcad. If you get used to 18 and 19 you will see your speed increase by 3 times as for getting drawings and code to the machine compared to onecnc in 2d everyday machining functions. In 3d I cannot tell which system would be the best. I like the live interface on bobcad much better than the way onecnc works with just one step point and click pick style. In bc 19 they turned off the end point function so that you can only put one end point on at a time. I feel this was a big step back? I didn't get this one... It used to stay on until you had all the end points on lines that you needed, then it turned off. Bobcad has a ways to go as does every cad cam set up. But for me BC is the fastest and does the job. CNCdude 03-09-2004, 09:11 AM Hi Darrel, You're right about that end point function. We'll get that changed back. Maybe in the next couple of additions that we will be adding free of charge to all of our customers. There are some things in the works right now including training CD's for the Version 19. Actually, this is what I am working on this week. I hope to see a lot of the guys on this forum at Westec in California March 22-25. If anyone would like to stop by our booth, we are #3078. Thank you for the input Darrel! I appreciate this. Sincerely, CNC Dude:cool: HuFlungDung 03-09-2004, 10:22 AM originally posted by DDR It has all kinds of their code controlling everything in the send and receive. It sent weird headers etc. This is not for me. I had much problems uploading and downloading from my control so I said no thanks. If you like bobcad 17 as for function onecnc is very very close to this version of bobcad. If you get used to 18 and 19 you will see your speed increase by 3 times as for getting drawings and code to the machine compared to onecnc in 2d everyday machining functions. Darrel, just for the record, what version of OneCNC did you demo and how long ago was this? Did you ever ask for any help on the comm settings? If your model won't fillet it is because of a problem with the design of your model and the type of surface construction you used. I know because I've seen it dozens of times. Much as we might all wish that 3d surfaces could be simple, they often are not. Is there much point in making a CAD system that cannot handle whatever guys are dreaming up in Rhino and Solidworks? Most designers could care less about how complex their models are, they just want you to make them. NURBS is here to stay. DDR 03-09-2004, 11:49 AM I dont remember the version of onecnc that I used. It was a few months back. I went to a friends house and tried it. When I downloaded it to the control it came up with weird stuff about onecnc in the header. I dont really need this . I just want the code that is shown to go to the control. As for nurbs to me it is just a word. I dont really care what it means. My point about 3d solids is right on the money then. I dont need fancy words to tell me that a radius on the edge of a part is a radius on the edge of the part. Branding and tagging names is not what this is about. It is about using terms that relate to the people who design and machine parts. A radius is a radius. A point is a point. A line is a line etc. This is what I hope bobcad distills in their programming to the machining level. The terms that we use to model should be the same as the terms we use to make a 2 or 3d wire frame. I can see adding a few simple to understand commands that have to be involved. Onecnc has pretty much done this. The onecnc that I used froze up when it could not perform a function also. I had to cntr alt del and end the task to get it back to square one. The save function had a popup asking to save the file also. If I asked the setup to save the file that is what I want. I dont need to be asked. this should be done in the background. If it had unlimited undo then I could undo whatever I didn't want to save right? Then when it freezes up I would be right back where I was. In the onecnc case I had to start over. If your save is set at every 1 min. then I would have been close. But when a popup is in your face every min. I dont feel this is a good thing to work with. As I said I feel the onecnc is great for modeling. The code looked ok. I would like to be able to configure it a bit more for cutter comp and a few other things with my own lines using a variable,etc in the posts. AS for my drawing and the radius problem. If this drawing would chain then I should not have a problem. This is exactly what I mean. I did a conference with Chris at onecnc over the internet with this frame. He worked on it and said it will not do what I wanted to do. My question is who should be in control of what the program will do. The person using it or the company selling it? In my vision it is the person paying for it. I expect what I pay for. I guess I am just a no excuse kinda guy right? To be fair I sent the drawing to bobcad also. They could not do it. Glen said that it would be sent to their programmers as an example of what the program should do. I had arcs in this frame that were smaller than the radius. Um HUM. Well to some this means ... no can do... To me it means having a cutter built that will do it. I have it running right now and the radius looks great from my perspective. The programs to model this just thought in one realm. The program did not take in to account that everything is possible. This is what I mean by not doing what I tell it to do. Why should I change my MO when I am paying for software that is suppose to do what it is told? If I can cut it the software should be able to model it. This just gives me what I pay for. I also feel that bobcad needs to make their drawings to more accurate to more places behind the decimal point so that when exporting to another program like onecnc or solidworks the chain is good. On the other side programs like onecnc and solidworks need a chain gapping set up in them. I feel the chain elements should be able to be picked in one direction and then gaped properly to make the chain whole. Bobcad says they have this function but I have not been able to make it work when exporting dxf to other programs. There are always gaps. Please dont think that I dont know how to make a chain for machining :}. I think acad and inventor have a gapping function to make a chain whole? just my .02 cents worth HuFlungDung 03-09-2004, 08:49 PM So, you'd say it is near impossible to get a large fillet to form around a small arc? It depends who is working the keyboard :D HuFlungDung 03-09-2004, 08:56 PM I've added a few more in this rendering. That would be a 1/16 fillet croove, a 1/8 corner fillet and a .250 top fillet. Oh, and about OneCNC's comm sending junk: I've used Bandit or Shadow controllers that cannot tolerate anything except Gcode, yet with proper settings in the transfer utility, the comments are all stripped out so I can keep useful information to archive with my program file, and not have any send or recieve errors. :) Just keeping you updated. CNCdude 03-10-2004, 10:07 AM No offense or anything but this is the BobCAD forum. OneCNC has a seperate forum for their customer issues. Thank you HU for your participation in this BOBCAD-CAM forum. BobCAD-CAM Version 19 also has fillet surfaces and we are actively adding new functions as well. In fact we are actively putting an expanded development team together in our Florida facility which will be dedicated to helping us provide more powerful and easy to use additions to our systems quicker. This will allow us to provide the industry with functionality specifically and more closely tuned to exactly what is asked of us from our customers. There are a lot of exciting things on the horizon! CNC Dude DDR 03-10-2004, 11:16 AM HuFlungDung, Cool .... But those are straight lines except your injection port. This to me is not a problem. The problem is when you have a frame that is all (or mostly ) curves. Please go to my site and look at the AXD knife frame on the body (handle) of the knife. This is a different beast all together. The frame is mostly curves that blend together at tangent points. Neither program can handle it. This kind of frame should be simple but using sweeps or just the radius function is no go. Sweeps (another weird name for a radius)? Cncdude, My point is not put any software down. These are just thoughts and ideas that I see from my end. I like both the programs. I use the bobcad because it works better for fast to the machine code and especially designing and drawing in 2d. I think the onecnc is strong in the 3d drawing department. I think it is weak in the 2d drawing department. I like the live function on bobcad. I am a point a click kinda guy I guess. I hate hot keys and extra moves to get the job done. Click the mouse! I feel that bobcad will overcome soon with the 3d if they stick to there guns and make it simple and easy to use. Onecnc has done this imho. Another thing that I thought about was chain function in 3d. Why do we have to pick all of the sections that we want the radius on? It should have a single and chain function. The way it is now we have to pick each section one piece at a time. The chain could be picked in 2 d if you have reservations about tiring it in the 3d environment and then click the 3d plane that you want to find other sections etc.. As for the headers on the send in oncnc section to the control.... what is the point of the header? If we dont need it why have to mess around setting the post up to not send it. Is it a billboard advertisement for the machine operator? Focus on what is needed not advertising. I just want functions to work without the bs. Time is money. I hope soon that cad cam will be the winner in the solids game. If the companies can now make the parts associative for assemblies (once the basics are good) this would help also. If when one part is changed the others would be changed drawing wise it would be great. Then the true full model would be good to go with only one edit. cely 03-11-2004, 12:39 PM DDR, I spent most of the morning looking at knives. Drool. When creating large solids from a lot of small solids, my experiments on BobCad tell me that the STITCH command is much different from the UNION command. For example, start with 2 spheres that intersect. If you combine them into 1 solid with the STITCH command, you will not be able to fillet their intersection. If you combine them into 1 solid with the UNION command, you will. You can even drop a hole through the intersection and fillet the result. Hope this helps. DDR 03-11-2004, 02:16 PM Thanks for the idea. My question is why cant I just draw a 2 d frame , extrude it to the thickness, and put the radius on the edge? Is this to logical? Why should I have to start with a sphere when the frame is a flat 2d plane to begin with. Not to rant... but combining to spheres sounds allot of work to achieve a flat curvy plane with a radius? Thanks for the drool! BT1 03-13-2004, 07:33 AM :confused: Bloy2004 03-13-2004, 10:21 AM :confused: cely 03-13-2004, 11:09 AM DDR, I must be missing something. I can draw a reasonably complex, 2-d outline, extrude it and radius the top edge...as long as the radius does not exceed the thickness of the extrusion. DDR 03-13-2004, 10:14 PM Cely, The part is .156 thick. The radius is .12. If you look at the AXD on my site , this is the frame I am speaking of. It seems that when you blend radius's in the frame, (the chain works) That neither of the programs can put the .120 around it. I compensate for small sections in the frame with a cutter that is ground to a point in the center. For me it would be very valuable to see what the part is going to look like after machining. Also I can apply roughing tools (angular) that cut better than radius tools when cutting titanium and check for undercutting etc. This would speed my production up for sure. cely 03-14-2004, 08:23 PM DDR The radius of the edge fillets (top-side plus bottom-side) can not exceed the thickness of the part. Can you fillet the edges with a .077 radius? If not, can you send me the outline? A picture is worth a thousand words. DDR 03-14-2004, 08:56 PM Cely, I will try it in the morning. If I cannot get it to work I will send a file to you . So if this works I can extrude the drawing to say .3 thickness, put the radius on and then separate the bottom off? SWEET! Ill give it a try! This still is not logical to me. If the radius being cut on top is smaller that the thickness the program should put it on. What if you want a partial radius that comes to a sharp edge on the corner all the way around the frame? I know procedure. But the program should still do what its told even if its not right in its eyes. Thanks for the tip! cely 03-14-2004, 09:26 PM DDR, It might be easier to unstitch the .156 thick part and then stitch together just the top and sides. Fillet the top/side edge to anything less than .156. When you're happy, stitch the bottom surface to the top/side to get the final solid. DDR 03-14-2004, 11:18 PM Ok Illtry it Thanks Agan CNCdude 03-19-2004, 09:28 AM Hi guys... I just finished the V19 training video and book project. Maybe this will help as well. I would be happy to send you guys a copy. Let me know. Sincerely, CNC Dude If you guys are going to Westec, stop by our booth at 3078. I would be happy to meet and talk with you about the new things that we are doing. I can also show you the new spiral Z-Level toolpath functions and fully automatic part Nesting thatwe will be adding to V19. A second team of programmers will be arriving to our facility here in Florida on Monday to start on the next series of projects to be developed. Sincerely, CNC Dude DDR 03-19-2004, 09:46 AM Dude, I got the upgrade off the site and I have to say MUCH better. I have the manual coming also. Are they fixing the point end? I converted a standard (simple) drawing to a solid in about 2 mins! More to come. CNCdude 03-19-2004, 11:05 AM For right now go into your Environment box and turn the Auto Preselect OFF. This will handle the point-end function. We will be working on that one but it is the auto preselect option that makes this difficult. How many customers want the auto preselect and how many don't is the question. Yur the man! Talk again soon! CNC Dude:cool: WOLOG 03-20-2004, 09:00 AM CNCdude, Should I call tech support to get the new V.19 vid and project book or send an email? kenlambert 03-20-2004, 10:38 PM what would a copy for v19 run I just purchased the entire setup and got the version 18 lesson cd's would the v19 be different? Kenneth CNCdude 03-26-2004, 01:41 PM Hi guys! We just returned from the Westec 2004 Exhibition in Los Angeles. The show was a major success. In fact it was our best show in the history of this company. It seems that the manufacturing industry is on the upswing for sure. The turn out was amazing and there is a very big interest in the Version 19 software. Kenlambert: Please contact our office at 877-262-2231 so that we can provide you with the pricing information that you need. It is very affordable and we are holding the show specials on all of our products. Everyone will be able to visit our website at www.bobcad.com next week to see pictures of the show. Sincerely, CNC dude Kookaburra 03-28-2004, 06:47 PM Hi CNC Dude and all, Congratulations on the success of the show and congratulations on the version 19 software, the more I use it the more I get blown out on what it does for the price you charge. Can you thank your tech support staff as well for acting immediately on all of the problems that I have encountered, either they were fixed on the phone, within 24hrs via e-mail or an update to fix my problems was available fast. I want to urge all of the BobCAD users here to keep the "constructive feedback" flowing into the BobCAD office as this is the best way to get a soluition. Thumbs UP for the BobCAD team. cadcam 03-28-2004, 09:39 PM Dang CNC dude if I knew you were there I would of left my booth and said hi. You booth was not far from ours. Actully I meant to go and look and like you said the show was smaller but were were really busy. CNCdude 03-29-2004, 09:31 AM Thanks for the input kookaburra! The show was smaller than in the past, however it seems as though our industry is on the upswing. What do you think cadcam? It is always a lot of fun to be a part of tradeshows. Particularly when they are successful! Here's a pic of the booth. CNC Dude:cool: BT1 03-30-2004, 04:38 AM I see the software for V19 is fairly cheap, does this reflect on its performance? CNCdude 03-30-2004, 07:02 AM BT1, Not at all. Just because this system is affordable doesn't mean that it isn't good. It's used by thousands already. BobCAD-CAM is dedicated to providing powerful CAD-CAM at affordable costs. This way, manufacturers have options that they may have not been able to take advantage of otherwise. Have a look at our demo system of the Version 19 and contact me if you have questions at 727-442-3554. Sincerely, CNC Dude cadcam 03-30-2004, 12:00 PM CNCdude i remeber seeing the plane and meant to stop there. Sorry I missed you. (It is always a lot of fun to be a part of tradeshows.) I alwas have a good time. (Particularly when they are successful! ) I fully agree. We have allot of new leads and alot of sales all ready from the show. I have alot of qoutes to get togeather and not enough time. Jay |