Do you use any search engines on the internet other than GOOGLE?

Yes
No

yes and it's called yahoo

They have other search engines ? :)

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060606-2015 EST USA

widgitmaster:

I can not answer your poll because it is a 2 state question.

Probably 95% on Google. A little on MSN. Sometimes MSN produces better results. Ask sometimes. Yahoo a little. Anywho for phone numbers, and reverse lookup. Google local sometimes, but it is not very good. In some ways I like mapquest better than google for maps.

I have never paid anyone for placement, and it won't work anyway. How could everyone that wanted good placement be at the top? Not possible. Your location is based on the current algorithm, your subject matter, and how you construct your site.

Non-google search engines that I use are usually to test the locations of my web site in the result.

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I use yahoo also.

060606-2015 EST USA

widgitmaster:

I can not answer your poll because it is a 2 state question.

Probably 95% on Google. A little on MSN. Sometimes MSN produces better results. Ask sometimes. Yahoo a little. Anywho for phone numbers, and reverse lookup. Google local sometimes, but it is not very good. In some ways I like mapquest better than google for maps.

I have never paid anyone for placement, and it won't work anyway. How could everyone that wanted good placement be at the top? Not possible. Your location is based on the current algorithm, your subject matter, and how you construct your site.

Non-google search engines that I use are usually to test the locations of my web site in the result.

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With that said, your answer is NO!

yes and it's called yahoo

Everything in the YAHOO index is in GOOGLE too!

I use yahoo for yellow pages and driving directions. Google for everything else.

I use yahoo for yellow pages and driving directions. Google for everything else.

have you tryed the GOOGLE MAPS for driving directions?
I like them better, more details!

Anyone use these?:

Dogpile (http://www.dogpile.com/) - "All the best search engines piled into one."

maMMa (http://www.mamma.com/) - "The Mother of All Search Engines."

I don't, just curious if anyone else does. I know a guy that swears by Dogpile. I use MSN for "Maps and Directions" and Google for everything else.

Just a side note, I can usually find stuff I've seen on this site quicker using a Google search than the built in CNCzone search feature. I just combine the few key words and/or phrases coupled with cnczone and WALA! the thread(s) or post(s) are found.

Is it me, or are we just an eclectic bunch? I do all kinds of searches and it is truly amazing how many times one or more links to something on CNCzone.com pop up!


widgitmaster - have you tryed the GOOGLE MAPS for driving directions? I like them better, more details!
I'll have to give GOOGLE MAPS a try. I live in a fairly rural area and MSN directions get me close to my destination then fail horribly. Then it's time wasted driving around to locate a landmark with an active cellular signal. This is followed by the inevitable call, "I know I'm close. Here's where I am. Where are you? How do I get there from here?"


I need a search engine for my stuff...

HayTay

060607-0549 EST USA

widgitmaster:

I would conjecture that most users that predominately use Google also use other search means at times. If this conjecture is reasonably correct, then very few could answer yes to your poll. Where do you want to set your threshold for yes --- 95, 99, 99.99, 99.9999 %?

As a guess I would estimate that 75 % or more of the hits on my web site, that come from someone using a search engine to get there, result from Google.

You have created two polls so far on Internet search. Is this just curosity, or do you have another goal? If it is another goal, then you may not want to disclose that goal because it could bias the results.

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thanks for the suggestions guys, i've been thinking i need an alternative to Google, its just too contrived. good surfing needs an element of chance to it. maybe they're all the same, but it would nice along with all the commercial accounts they want to promote that they peppered search results with some grassroots stuff before you get to page 300.

Because GOOGLE is so young to the internet and has become so popular in such a short time, I was just curious as to how dependant the CNCzone members were on GOOGLE!

Five years ago, it was AltaVista that had the popularity, and MSN has been trying to buy their way into popularity. As for web page placement, well that depends purely on content and HTML accuracy! (Keywords relivant to page content) Most other search engines are really small indexes of their choosen topics, and don't have multiple servers hosting multiple spiders to scan every item on the internet with the power of GOOGLE!

For years, YAHOO was a closed Index, and no other external spiders or search engines were allowed to index their content! It was only a few years ago that YAHOO dropped their draws and let GOOGLE in!
I do not know if YAHOO is still human edited, as it origonally boasted to be, but most of their index is so huge even they could not organize it! GOOGLE has helped them as well!

Most people who surf the web are not aware of the remote control software that roams the web 24-7, that the software is called robots and spiders! That each search engine has its own or many of them looking for new content for their public search results!

maybe they're all the same, but it would nice along with all the commercial accounts they want to promote that they peppered search results with some grassroots stuff before you get to page 300.

Just because you do a search on Google, (say a search for cnc) and you get 40,200,000 hits, doesn't mean you will have 40,200,000 webpages to pick from. The search for "cnc" will let you go only as far as page "85" on the actual search.

I only use Google, (habit I guess).

When I do a search, and I don't like what I find by page "5", it's time to change the words in my search.



From Google website : http://www.google.com/help/features.html
Google's spell checking software automatically looks at your query and checks to see if you are using the most common version of a word's spelling. If it calculates that you're likely to generate more relevant search results with an alternative spelling, it will ask "Did you mean: (more common spelling)?". Clicking on the suggested spelling will launch a Google search for that term. Because Google's spell check is based on occurrences of all words on the Internet, it is able to suggest common spellings for proper nouns (names and places) that might not appear in a standard spell check program or dictionary.

So... I guess If 1 million people misspell a word, Google will recommend
that wrong word! (DOH!)




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060607-1318 EST USA

Mcgyver:

Yes you do need to use various search engines.

Here is an experiment you can run:

The search string is --- CNC "spindle grinding" --- without the ---s.

Google 1360 hits
Yahoo 501
MSN 678
ASK 470
Altavista 499

You will see similarity and differences.

One of the techniques with Google is to put in a search string, search for it, then pick ADVANCED SEARCH and change 10 results to 100. This will put 100 results on one page, and you can scroll these quickly compared to paging. Also this way you can effectively use the Microsoft "Edit" "Find" in Internet Explorer to search for words on this page.

The trick to finding things is to pick on the correct words and word strings for your search string.

Now try --- "wilson p. tanner" dec 7 1941
On my site search for tanner to find the discussion.
Google, Yahoo, and Altavista only find my site
MSN finds my site and a second one with no relation to the subject.
ASK is worse with its second pick. It should not pick items with tanner alone.

To find what you want with search engines you need to play with words and groups of words for your search string.

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tobyaxis :banana:

I only use Google, probably as a previous poster said "out of habbit". I used to use "Ask Jeeves", but eventualy their quality went downhill (in own my opinion).

I avoid Google like the plague! It NEVER finds what I'm looking for and most of the time it's not even close.

Yahoo usually has what I want on page 1.

I avoid Google like the plague! It NEVER finds what I'm looking for. Most of the time it's not even close.

Yahoo usually has what I want on page 1.

Google is the best!

If you know the Google hacks, you would be surprised how deep into a webpage Google digs (no joke!)

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I avoid Google like the plague! It NEVER finds what I'm looking for. Most of the time it's not even close.

Yahoo usually has what I want on page 1.

WOW, you must be on your death bed from the plague, otherwise you would NEVER know what is on Google or that it is not even close?!?!?!

I use Google most of the time, but I do use others just to see what comes up and most of the time it is the same stuff, maybe just in a different order.

Jab away ahotrodder, you know what the saying means.

I avoid Google like the plague! It NEVER finds what I'm looking for. Most of the time it's not even close.

Yahoo usually has what I want on page 1.

Actually, YAHOO is NOT a search engine, its search is limited to the YAHOO index! Google was added to Yahoo a few years ago to expand its limited scope !

Yahoo does not have spiders (software that searches every server) that look outside the Yahoo servers. Also, most of the data in Yahoo is so old and obsolete that they were in danger! That's why they accepted Google's assistance!

Google has the most advanced search spiders ever created, they surpass all other search engines by ten! One of the advantages in Google is that they accept BOOLEAN LOGIC instructions at the point where we enter our search criteria!

Example:

Search for [ Bill -Clinton ] will exclude all occurrence's of Clinton from the search results.


Widgit

I really don't care how limited Yahoo is. It finds what I'm searching for better than Google. If I type in the make and model of a Motherboard Yahoo usually includes the manufacturer's website on the first page of search results (at least in past searches I have done). Google usually (for me anyway) only includes websites that want to sell me that Motherboard or that happen to reference that board in some benign way. I suppose they are both doing their jobs, but if one were to prioritize search results one would think that the manufacturer's website would be high on the list.
Please keep in mind I only hold to this personal preference based on my own experience. Yahoo behaves in a way that I like. Google does not behave in a way that I like as much. I know there are "hacks" that you can use in the search bar, but why "hack" (aka- hassle ) if you don't have to?

Praise Google all you want, but until it meets my personal needs better than what I'm using now I'm just not going to use it until works better for me.

I am sold on DOGPILE.COM as the best search portal.

Their service is that they automatically submit search requests to all of the most poplar search engines and then combine the results.

Its amazing how well some engines do on some topics and how bad they are on others. With dogpile I feel I get the best search results no matter what.

John

070728-1704 EST USA

Search engines constantly change their criteria and may also include some randomization of results.

Today I ran several test strings that I know will find my web sites. The results are as follows for different search strings and search engines: The numbers indicate the approximate early locations of my sites in the search engine listings. Note that rankings vary from time to time. So tomorrow the results may be somewhat different. A few words in a search string generally produce a very large number of results.

TESTS:

String RS232 RS232 pinion
problems problems preload
CNC adjustment

Google 12 1, 3 1
Yahoo 3 1, 3 2, 4
MSN 3 1 2
ASK 40 about 1* 1
AltaVista 3* 1 2, 4
Dogpile 26 2 1, 2, 12

* after sponsors


My comment of "after sponsor" is because I seldom ever pay any attention to sponsored links. However, sometimes they are useful. Notice the variability as well as the consistency between the engines.

What is a good search engine? None --- because they do not yet have the ability to understand your question. For the most part they are word finders rather than idea finders.

Furthermore, the Internet is a poor place to find much historical information unless it has been explicitly placed on web sites. This may change as Google progresses with their scanning of various librarys, one of these is the UofM.

Search problem examples: what is the patent number for the first aircraft radio beacon, the inventor, and assignee? Who invented the automotive spark plug? What was a heat treatment procedure used by Johansson for his gage blocks?

"William B. Stout" does bring forth some references. So does "Howard H. Aiken". "Melville B. Stout" also brings up references to him and his book on "Electrical Measurements", but "James S. Gault" or "James M. Gault" does not produce a reference on his book "Alternating-Current Machinery". James S. Gault is on the title page of the book, but in the following UofM reference to M. B. Stout, Gault's middle initial is listed as D. This reference is
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/about/history4.html
This newly composed material was explictly placed on the Internet and therefore found by Google.

On this particular site location is a long comment by Fred Terman on William G. Dow. Looking at the Internet further it is hard to directly find information on Dow's book on "Fundamentals of Engineering Electronics" without knowing the title. To a large extent this is a book on electrons in a vacuum.

Dow is an interesting person to study. His teaching and researching techniques were different than the usual professor. Although a heavy smoker he lived to beyond 100. Near 100 he was still walking several miles a day and our area is hilly and his house was somewhat over a half mile from mine. From time to time I would see and or talk to him on his walks.

A major heading in Dow's book is "Negative Grid Provides Electrostatic Control of Space-Charge-Limited Current." Putting this string including double quotes into Google produces no result. I would expect this to change after Google finishes scanning the UofM libraries. This illustrates how older information and book content is not yet available on the Internet.

One important thing I learned from Dow was --- never fail to ask questions because you think someone will think the question is stupid. However, be honest in your reason for asking a question.

The real improvement in search engines will occur when they can search for the idea behind your question.

If I search for
National Semiconductor 741 datasheet
then the first result is the National site and that is what I want.

If the string is
National Semiconductor 318 datasheet
then the first reference is not the National site which is the one I want. Nor did I easily find the national location from the Google list. Going directly to National.com and using their search I was able to get their datasheet.

When the question is related to a major company and their datasheet I would expect the first reference to be that company's web site.

I believe the inventor or at least the first person to develop a "seedless tomato" was Dr. Felix Gustafson. This I have reference to on my web site. However, in Google using the search string
seedless tomato inventor
did not on quick check appear to reference my site. If I use
seedless tomato inventor gustafson
then my site is the only one referenced.


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Yahoo hands down

Anyone use these?:

Dogpile (http://www.dogpile.com/) - "All the best search engines piled into one."

maMMa (http://www.mamma.com/) - "The Mother of All Search Engines."

I don't, just curious if anyone else does. I know a guy that swears by Dogpile. I use MSN for "Maps and Directions" and Google for everything else.

Just a side note, I can usually find stuff I've seen on this site quicker using a Google search than the built in CNCzone search feature. I just combine the few key words and/or phrases coupled with cnczone and WALA! the thread(s) or post(s) are found.

Is it me, or are we just an eclectic bunch? I do all kinds of searches and it is truly amazing how many times one or more links to something on CNCzone.com pop up!


widgitmaster -
I'll have to give GOOGLE MAPS a try. I live in a fairly rural area and MSN directions get me close to my destination then fail horribly. Then it's time wasted driving around to locate a landmark with an active cellular signal. This is followed by the inevitable call, "I know I'm close. Here's where I am. Where are you? How do I get there from here?"


I need a search engine for my stuff...

HayTay

I use www.mamma.com exclusively. I can find whatever I'm looking for with a properly stated phrase in less than 2 minutes. That's accurate, intelligent searching. Companies, names, numbers, products...you name it, I have found it. I have nothing but compliments for this search engine.