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brw0513
04-22-2012, 09:25 AM
Sure hope I can get some good advice on choice of spindle for my home assembled CNC router.

It's time to think about the Z axis and choose a method to drive the end mills.

My machine will be mostly used to make model helicopter sideframes. Protoypes will be out of 2mm plywood (I was getting pretty good with transfer punches and my scroll saw, but I now need greater accuracy to finish off the various designs). Final frames will be made out of 1.6mm fibreglass and aluminium sheet. There will also be some brackets out of 6mm aluminium plate and perhaps an exhaust gasket made out of 2mm stainless steel.

I have been thinking about a 0.75kW 24,000rpm VFD spindle like this:

High Speed Spindles, Motors & Inverters - Arc Euro Trade (http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/High-Speed-Spindles-Motors-Inverters)

But have a Sherline ER16 10,000rpm spindle:

spindles (http://www.sherlineipd.com/spindles.htm)

With the Sherline spindle, I'd use a T5 belt and pulley drive arrangement with a 240V AC motor out of a 2kW electric blower with its crude variable speed controller. The gear reduction would need to be 1.5:1 since the AC motor could do around 15,000rpm.

The VFD spindle is a nice solution, but not sure how capable it would be at slower speeds assuming my duty with aluminium and stainless steel would require it.

The Sherline option would be heavy and limited to 10,000rpm but may be the better choice.

I'd like some good advice on which way to go.

Thanks.

DonFrambach
04-22-2012, 02:03 PM
I had a 10k Sherline spindle for a while and found it got very hot with prolonged use at 10k (even when I loosened the bearing preload). I suggest you test for that before you make your decision. BTW my Taig spindle works fine at high speed but that is probably irrevelant to you.

Just reread your post. You will probably want to keep your Sherline for milling aluminum at lower rpms than possible with the VFD spindle. Stainless steel is very hard to mill and most routers are not rigid enough for that.

rexcobey
04-22-2012, 02:33 PM
Hi brw0513,

try this Teknomotor ER20-0.7KW-24000RPM, on my experience i don't encounter
problem with this spindle.

here is my cnc machine right now i am using ER25-2.0KW-24000RPM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EhN14WtmDXc/T3r9sL5HEtI/AAAAAAAAAEM/1pWi4wpTHGk/s800/20120330_145533.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sIBPE0tRj1I/T3qXPh4RcHI/AAAAAAAAACI/Nk4SzpeisEQ/s800/20120330_145548.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lHML7W7hjhg/T3qW_urh1iI/AAAAAAAAACA/uwYaKksq9IY/s800/20120330_145524.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s6ipv8cyljU/T3qWzm6yEuI/AAAAAAAAAB4/26W4wf8qksY/s800/20120330_145658.jpg

Also this is my VFD
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FBxL7yQ0HcM/T3sTlATnV0I/AAAAAAAAAOo/XJi77nmgMbQ/s800/IMG00350-20120314-2202.jpg

brw0513
04-23-2012, 07:34 AM
I had a 10k Sherline spindle for a while and found it got very hot with prolonged use at 10k (even when I loosened the bearing preload). I suggest you test for that before you make your decision.

Good suggestion. I'll get onto that. Thanks.

louieatienza
04-23-2012, 07:50 PM
You might need both....

draughted
04-25-2012, 05:35 AM
i recommend the sherline spindle. i use a taig ER spindle coupled to a 500watt 5000rpm sangmutan brushless DC motor. it has the speed range to do things with the smaller bits and has the grunt to power the 10mm endmills i use mostly. the motor and speed controller i have is great it is accurately variable from 400 to 5000, can forward and reverse at a moments notice, and the display is easy to read. the trick is finding a good supplier. sangmutan is a chinese supplier and got beat up because it had a small market. keep a look out for something similar. the hi-torque mill on littlemachineshop is a similar motor.

draughted
04-25-2012, 05:44 AM
i just googled, and sangmutan is still around. what i did when i ordered was email for a special order of a controller with a smaller frame motor. the motor i asked for was 500watt in a 80mm square frame. it just turned out that they had access to a motor like that with a top speed of 5000rpm.
the sherlines top speed is not the sort of thing you want to go over anyway.

brw0513
04-25-2012, 08:34 AM
Thanks for the replies.

To get a feel for the Sherline spindle at speeds up to 10,00rpm I made up a belt drive "jig" today. The gear ratio was a bit taller than ideal - just selected on the T5 pulleys I had available. I didn't adjust the bearing preload, but the spindle sure got rather hot after just a few minutes. And the combination of motor and spindle was rather heavy.

I've decided to further pursue the VFD arrangement.

The TeknoMotor spindle mentioned by rexcobey does seem a good candidate if I keep the end mills small enough (i.e. max of 1/4" dia, 1/8" even better) and forget the idea of machining stainless steel on my router.

The advice I've received from DamenCNC.com (http://www.damencnc.com) about the C31/40-C-SB-P-ER20-0.7KW-18000RPM TeknoMotor HF spindle has been terrific. If they can satisfy me about warranty and a few other questions, then they deserve my business.