I am using (learning) OneCNC XP production.

How do I define the "car position" work plane which is Some unknown compound angle to a "machinable" work plane. And move my file to mold Zero.

We use catia as a design software. The Model is NEVER moved from car postion. However when I import the file I do have "mold Zero" x and Y coordinates. So the mold is out in left field but then is normally moved into the mold zero work plane.

Did that make sense?


John F.
One new NC user
Still using Cimatron.

Hi John,

I don't claim to have a handle on this "car position" stuff, but I'd sure be willing to take a look at your file if that is allright. (Zip size must be below 6 megs)

Or send it in to Onecnc Tech support and then phone them for knowledgeable instruction. This last option might be best.

Or, Ward might happen along here with a good explanation all prepared so we can all get smarter together :)

John, ( sorry I was hung up)

Your first question. Hope we can help.:D

There is a thread http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=384 that goes into this feature.

If this doesn't clear up your question let me know.

As with Hu's offer, I too would take a look at your file and give you specific advice. Let me know and I'll PM you my e-mail

WMS,

Thank You that tread helped! I did it but I am unsure how, I will play with it till I know what I am doing. I have to train 5 people how to use this software.

One OT question.

Is there a way to pan with the keyboard.

The files I am getting are rather large and when I Rotate, Pan or Zoom dynamically the software can't keep up and I have to sit and watch it spin and zoom for several seconds after I stop moving the mouse then Hope it is in the right position.

I most likely will be breaking up these files but I still have to read them in.

John,

You can Pan by Holding down the "shift" key and using the right mouse button. The left mouse button will zoom while holding down the "shift" key.

If you have a wheel mouse, you can zoom with the wheel, by rotating the wheel. Or rotate by holding the wheel "down" and moving the mouse.

WMS

Yes I've figured that out.

But when I do that Either the software or computer can't keep up.

If I zoom in and out with the "z" and "Z" it is a finite move. I would like to pan say 1/8 to 1/4 of what is on the screen.

I also can rotate with the arrows and control but I would like to pan with the keyboard.

John

Ward,

Is there a definition on what the words
"In Car" mean? Sounds kind of out there. I wonder who thought that up?

Originally posted by John F
WMS

Yes I've figured that out.

But when I do that Either the software or computer can't keep up.

If I zoom in and out with the "z" and "Z" it is a finite move. I would like to pan say 1/8 to 1/4 of what is on the screen.

I also can rotate with the arrows and control but I would like to pan with the keyboard.

John

Try holding down CTRL and using the arrow keys? I didn't even know this worked up until now :)

RE: "in car"

I'm imagining that it has something to do with relative coordinate systems, such as when you view a model from its place in the "cyber-universe" versus when you view it from a relevant feature of the model itself which contains the origin of reference.

Correct me if I'm wrong, WMS, but I usually just rotate, and move the model around until I've got it where I want it. If it is round, then I might want the primary datum (reference point or origin) at the arc center.

For most other work, I usually set one corner of my part's minimum "extents box" on the origin. This represents the size of the stock I start with. Any extra allowance on the stock is taken care of when setting up the machine, where a G92 home position is established before cutting begins.

What do you guys do?

Guys,

The arrow/ control thing is something that can be setup under the customize toolbars. That said, if it is not working, you can change it under this setting. You can also customize about any key combination to most anything.

John,
I don't see any "pan" selections under the view menu, other than live pan and rotate. You could send this in to support as a "want".
They are very good about adding these things.
I'm sure the reason your model spins and rotate, as you put it, is due to the large number on entites you probably have in your file. You may want to increase your Ram. This will help this.
You have to remember that the computer has to move all this stuff around when you ask it to. Lots of math going on there.

In car: I believe this has to do with the auto industy. Most likely when an assembly file is made up of many parts. Then the file is imported into Onecnc and we machinists need to select one of the components and move it to a useful datum, so we can machine the component.


Correct me if I'm wrong, WMS, but I usually just rotate, and move the model around until I've got it where I want it. If it is round, then I might want the primary datum (reference point or origin) at the arc center.

For most other work, I usually set one corner of my part's minimum "extents box" on the origin. This represents the size of the stock I start with. Any extra allowance on the stock is taken care of when setting up the machine, where a G92 home position is established before cutting begins.


HU,
Same as you. I do use the "move from in car" if the model is imported and is a long ways from zero or rotated out of normal.

Pan = CTRL+ Arrow keys is in the help file. ;)

Check "Simple Knowledge base articles", "how to add keyboard shortcuts", look for the link at "default set".

The arrow/ control thing is something that can be setup under the customize toolbars. That said, if it is not working, you can change it under this setting. You can also customize about any key combination to most anything.


I was wrong. This is not in the customize. Mines not working.
I'm using Windows XP with Expert.

Please let me know which version of windows and onecnc, you are using and if it is or is not working. Thanks

JUST READING THE THREAD ON IN CAR POSITION . THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS WHEN A CAR IS DESIGNED THERE IS A POINT OFF THE FRONT OFF THE CAR THAT IT IS DESIGNED FROM . ANYBODY WORKING ON THIS CAR WOULD BE TAKING MEASUREMENTS FROM THIS POINT . I HAVE BEEN TOLD YOU COULD MACHINE "IN BODY " BUT I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO FIGURE IT OUT , PROBABLY SOMETHING TO DO WITH SETTING YOUR WORK COORDINATE ON THE MACHINE ( G54 OR WHATEVER )RELATIVE TO A POINT ON THE PART .

John,

I just had another thought. If you are trying to get a specific area of your file centered on the screen, have you used the "zoom window". After you get close then you can zoom in or out. Or rotate a small amount. Or use the zoom window again.

Just a thought.:rolleyes:

GUYS

PAN

mine dosen't work either (XP production windows)

Mine only works once then it dosen't pan. By once I mean it shifts the part once and any othe keystrokes in an attempt to pan does not work. But at least it is there I'm sure it can be fixed.

Car position

This is Genrally centerline of the front axle and either the steering column or CL of the car perpendiculay to the axles. Though the standard does seem to change. I am unsure what if there is a industry standard.

Zooming

Other software I have used have options for "dynamic Zooming."
1) Zoom center of the screen
2) Zoom by indication of cursor

I prefer Zooming by cursor and using "z" and "Z". Actually I reveresed OneCNC's setup so that "Z" is zoom out.
CIMLINC shortcut that I had used for 5 years previous.

John F

John,

Will you windows xp / onecnc xp production, rotate with the "control" key / arrows keys?

Hu,
Your windows 2000 / onecnc expert?

Ken shea,
How about your setup?

Anybody else?

That is weird, no it does not work properly on Win2000. I mistook the first movement as being an indication that it would continue to pan, but it only seems to move one increment and then stops panning for me, too. This happened after the computer sat idle over the lunch hour, with Mill XP running and a drawing loaded.

EDIT:

No, it does work sometimes. I closed down the drawing and started afresh, and then I drew a rect surface and I could pan it properly with the CTRL+ arrow. Then, I reloaded the previous drawing, and now it works again.

I'll try to determine when it quits working and post back here.

Mine pans correctly with the Shift key as to mentioned. It also rotates properly using the Ctrl Key.

Maybe it has something to do with the "unobtainium" release of the newest Expert update???

I am on version 5.14

Just a thought.

Mark Linder
(Still sweating in San Diego)

Oh - I am using Windows XP Pro

Mark Linder
(Still - yeah, you know)

Thanks Mark,

Ward
Still cool in Wyoming

Originally posted by mlinder
Mine pans correctly with the Shift key as to mentioned. It also rotates properly using the Ctrl Key.

Maybe it has something to do with the "unobtainium" release of the newest Expert update???

I am on version 5.14

Just a thought.

Mark Linder
(Still sweating in San Diego)

BINGO MARK

VER 5.14 is ok.

But I get: "ctrl / arrows = pan and "shift / arrows = rotate. Backwords from you.
Production, Professional and Expert all ver 5.14 are this way for me.

Windows Xp pro.

I am Running 2000 Profesional OneCNC XP Production

I have found that Ctr + Arrow will pan once then stop working. However if you left mouse click on the screen it will "reset" and will be able to pan one increment again.

Shift + arrow will rotate correctly except after trying to pan then a left click of the mouse will "reset" and the function works correctly.

John

Originally posted by John F
I am Running 2000 Profesional OneCNC XP Production

I have found that Ctr + Arrow will pan once then stop working. However if you left mouse click on the screen it will "reset" and will be able to pan one increment again.

Shift + arrow will rotate correctly except after trying to pan then a left click of the mouse will "reset" and the function works correctly.

John

John,
Close your file and then reopen it and let me know if the control / arrow will pan ok then.
If not, close your program and reopen and then try it and let me know.

Thanks

I feel dumb...

Here is what REALLY happens on my system:

Shift plus left click of mouse = zoom

Shift plus right click= pan

Ctrl plus left click = rotate
Ctrl plus right click = pan

So..... Shift or Ctrl plus right click = pan

Sorry for my mistake WMS!!

I'm gonna go now. I have clicked too many times.

Mark Linder
(Sweating AND Clicking in San Diego)

WMS

Same results no matter when I do it with new window or new "program"

I did have a virus recently but I don't think it has affected OneCNC. I guess I could reinstall it. But others seem to have similar problems also.

John

Thanks John,
I'll look into Windows 2000, that my be the difference.
Seems Windows Xp is Ok.
I'll also look at Windows 98 before someone asks.

So I guess the anwer to your second question is yes "I" can Pan with the key board, but right now for some reason "you" can't.:(


Thanks Mark. I was really:confused:

By the way ver "unobtainium" works ok also.:D

Guys,

In Windows 98 with all the Xp series the combo of:

Ctrl / arrows = rotates the model dynamicly
Shift / arrows is the same as above.

ctrl or shift and mouse button (right or left) does nothing.

So I'm begining to believe each ver of Windows acts differently.

John, I'll e-mail support about this and see if it is something that can be adjusted for different Windows versions. It may be that's possible and may be not. I know that Windows Xp pro has the "pan" feature you are asking for.

HU,
If you have Windows 2000 loaded and seeing the same problem as John with the "pan" lock up, would you send that in to support?

Thanks

XP-Ptrofessional / W2000
pan works perfect with Control/arrows,

Rotate works with caps lock/arrow keys and seems much more controllable and predictable then with the mouse.

Shift/Arrow keyc rotates what seems to be 90 degrees with each arrow stroke, cant quite figure out exactly what it is doing.

Tab/Arrow keys rotates in small increments.

Hey this is fun!

Ken

I cannot seem to reproduce that lock-up of the panning function such as John described, but I did see it once. I've been leaving my comp idle with EXpert running most of the afternoon, it works every time I try it now.

Here is how to make it happen: start up XP and open a new file. Then open another existing file. This gives you two open files. The panning function then will seem to stall, although you might see the screen flickering as if it is trying to move but is stuck. I think that there must be priority going to the new file window in the background.

To fix, close the "new file" window that you are not using.

Confirmation anyone?

Originally posted by HuFlungDung
Here is how to make it happen: start up XP and open a new file. Then open another existing file. This gives you two open files. The panning function then will seem to stall, although you might see the screen flickering as if it is trying to move but is stuck. I think that there must be priority going to the new file window in the background.

To fix, close any empty, but open file windows.

Confirmation anyone?

Hu,
That's A BIG TEN FOUR. That will do it. If you do have an empty file open, (like when you start up the program) and open a existing file with out closing the new empty file. It acts just as you decribe.

I have started a new thread with a gold mine of info that Bob Francis just e-mailed me about key combinations for onecnc.:D

Pretty good when you can e-mail support at 4:30 pm friday US(9:30 am sat AUS) and get a detailed reply in less than 2 hours. :banana:

Okay, I'll send in a note. This can likely be fixed.

Thanks guys for all your help on this.:D (group) :cheers:

IN CAR POSITION IN ONE CNC MEANS WHEN YOU IMPORT THE
MODEL IT WILL IMPORT FROM UCS DATUM IT WAS CONSTRUCTED
IN OTHER PARTY SOFTWARE,WHICH MAY NOT BE THE DATUM YOU REQUIRE TO MANUFACTURE IN ONE CNC,SO WHEN YOU IMPORT IT MAY NOT BE AT YOUR DATUM AND NOT PARALEL . OVERCOME THIS ONE CNC GIVES A OPTION FROM IN CAR POSITION WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE IT FROM THERE POSITION TO ONECNC POSITION ,I NOTICE SOME PEOPLE MOVE COMPONENT AROUND UNTIL ITS WHERE THEY WANT IT,HERES WHAT YOU DO LOOK AT YOUR COMPONENT ESTABLISH A FACE YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE
LEVEL WITH YOUR X Y Z IN ONE CNC, PUT THREE POINTS ON THE FACE THEN SELECT ALL MODEL THEN SELECT FROM IN CAR POSITION THEN IT WILL ASK FOR A PLANE SELECT PICK THEN PICK THE THREE POINTS WHEN YOU SELECT THE THIRD POINT
ONE CNC WILL MOVE COMPONENT TO THAT PLANE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO NOW IS CREATE A CURVE FROM AND EDGE PUT A POINT ON
END(BETTER WHEN YOU CAN GET A EDGE FROM HOLE IN COMPONENT THEN CREATE A POINT IN MIDDLE)VERIFY WHERE THE POINT IS POSITION THEN TRANSLATE TO POSITION REQUIRED
HOPE THIS HELPS
REGARDS
PETER