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nkjh97 05-21-2005, 12:25 PM Hello.
I've been following this forum for a while and i'm going to try to build a machine. I'm going to follow JGRO's plans but making it a little larger.
I'm making the cutting field 42" x 38" x 5"
Materials:
3/4" birch plywood
1/2 - 10 acme screw
skate bearings
1-1/4" angle iron
1/2" gas pipe (z)
3/4" gas pipe (y)
1" gas pipe (x)
delrin adjustment blocks
Hobby CNC controller & motors
assotrted nuts, screws, washers
i'll try to post pictures. once i figure out how to reduce the file size so i can upload them.
all the machines i've seen on this forum are great. thanks to all for the info. this should be fun!!!
nkjh97 05-21-2005, 12:50 PM picture upload first try.
skate bearing assemblies.
nkjh97 05-21-2005, 01:21 PM z axis support. I'm putting an extra set of bearings on the top rail so the upper rail takes up some of the weight if the router is too heavy.
CNCRob 05-21-2005, 01:50 PM Hey nkjh97,
I like the size of your cutting area. The machine is looking great so far.
nkjh97 05-22-2005, 08:57 AM more pics. the plywood adjustment block was a failed attempt.
instead of mounting the stepper to the top and using the stepper motor bearing for support, I think i'll support both ends of the screw with bearings and connect the motor and the screw with a coupler. i need to build a motor mount that will hold the motor away from the screw.
I'm also trying the make the motors easily removable(ie couplers). after building the router, I'm going to try to build a hot wire foam cutter. :wee:too many hobbies!!!
nkjh97 05-22-2005, 09:13 AM more pics.
gantry. i put the trolleys on the to pan the bottom. with the adjustment block on the trollies on the bottom.
erikkate 05-22-2005, 09:24 AM Wow, that thing is huge. you're making progress quickly.
However, i think your z-axis will flex very much, looking at your setup.
randyf1965 05-22-2005, 05:16 PM Seems like you could extend a brace down the center of the z-axis perpendicular to the face of the axis on the back notching the lower portion of the mount for clearance. Possibly 2 smaller steel angle's (or even c channel that would slip over the plywood edge) on the outer edge would add some rigidity to it.
joecnc2006 05-23-2005, 06:26 AM Here is the larger one I just finished if you like to get some ideas from it, also you can read the whole post and you will see, motor spacers, Leadscrew bearing suports, etc. i did to improve mechine.
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=81608&postcount=70
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10067&page=1&pp=10
joe
zoltan 05-23-2005, 02:08 PM Joe,
Do you have a drawing of your machine with the dimensions of sub-assemblies? I would like to build a machine similar to yours. I almost finished one machine - MDF with derlin bushes, rod shafts D=15 mm, leadscrew M12, machine dimensions L=700 mm, l = 600, H= 600 mm. I hope to finish it this week, and I will post the pics. I had a lot of issues with alignments. I hope I will succed to have everything OK. I would like to ask you for some guidelines regarding the dimensions and relations among them of your machine. If it is possible in mm, because i have difficulties with inches (25.4 mm - I am from Eastern Europe...). Eventually can you send me the drawing by e-mail?
nkjh97 05-23-2005, 11:03 PM erikkate, randyf1965
thanks for the input. i think i see what you mean. i'm going to shorten the router support board. that should stiffen it. if not, i can always add support later.
thanks for looking.
nkjh97 05-23-2005, 11:07 PM joe,
i learned a lot from your thread. i do have a question. what kind of adjustment or alignment mechanism do you have for your lead screw mounts/drive nuts?
thank for looking.
Jim
nkjh97 05-23-2005, 11:14 PM Base trial fit and glueup.
The wood parts were fairly straight forward. i am having a little trouble cutting the threads in the delrin nuts. has anyone tried to use brass and a real tap?
joecnc2006 05-24-2005, 02:01 AM joe,
i learned a lot from your thread. i do have a question. what kind of adjustment or alignment mechanism do you have for your lead screw mounts/drive nuts?
thank for looking.
Jim
Not sure i know what your question is? the lead screws have no adjustments they are fixed, and held in place with lock nots on both sides of the leadscrew bearing suports. Maybe if you can provide a picture from one of mine and circle it and post or email it to me..
joe@lumenlab.com
nkjh97 05-24-2005, 06:35 PM the ends of the lead screw are fixed and parallel to the gas pipes (hopefully).
when i attach the nut /backlash nut assembly to the gantry, if its too high or low or off to one side, it will put lateral pressure on the lead screw when the nut gets close to the bearing support.
i was wondering if it was necessary to put an adjustment to the nut/backlash nut assembly similar to the 4-point gaspipe support assemblies or just eyeball it until its lined up before mounting. i'll try to find a good picture.
spalm 05-24-2005, 09:59 PM I think you are right to worry about the alignment of the screws. You mentioned that you are using 1/2 inch screw and bearings on both sides, and then coupling the motors. This is very wise. I am dealing with really bad whipping with my unsupported 3/8 rods. I can not imagine the problems others have with 1/4 inch screws.
I believe you can adjust your delrin nuts by over drilling the attachment holes for left to right alignment, and then add shims for vertical alignment. You probably don't need more adjustment than that. To test the fit, slide the carriage back and forth with the screw attached before coupling to the motors and make sure that they line up perfectly with opposite bearing and the motor shaft.
As others said, I'm sitll worried about flex on your free flying pipes.
I'll keep watching,
Steve
joecnc2006 05-25-2005, 12:45 AM the ends of the lead screw are fixed and parallel to the gas pipes (hopefully).
when i attach the nut /backlash nut assembly to the gantry, if its too high or low or off to one side, it will put lateral pressure on the lead screw when the nut gets close to the bearing support.
i was wondering if it was necessary to put an adjustment to the nut/backlash nut assembly similar to the 4-point gaspipe support assemblies or just eyeball it until its lined up before mounting. i'll try to find a good picture.
No i have no problem at all with alignment, remember i have mine in solid works so i know the exact alignment placement of the lead screw, and i cut with mach2 at 30ipm with no whipping at all.
chuckknigh 05-25-2005, 10:27 AM I found it was easiest to place the gantry at one extreme end of the machine, and position that end of the leadscrew. Then, turn the leadscrew (I used a cordless drill) till the gantry is at the other end, and position the other end of the leadscrew. This makes sure that there is no binding at either end, due to "tolerances" or anything else.
Just make sure your gantry has no lateral play, before doing this.
-- Chuck Knight
nkjh97 05-26-2005, 11:14 PM Chuck,
thanks i'll try that.
nkjh97 05-26-2005, 11:25 PM adjustment blocks
the partially finished gantry on the base and 1" gas pipe has little flex. i won't see how much until i have the top built and installed. if it does flex, i think sliding a 3/4" gas pipe inside the 1" pipe for extra support will do the trick.
nkjh97 06-01-2005, 11:22 PM gantry nut support stiffened gantry significantly. trial fit couplers.
mvaughn 06-02-2005, 08:33 PM I just purcahsed the same LoveJoy couplers shown in you photos. They should arrive tomorrow, hopefully. Can you tell how much slop there is in them...how do you think they will handle backlash?
nkjh97 06-05-2005, 01:04 AM The literature says the Lovejoy couplers have a 1 degree play. the set screws hold my stepper motor and lead screws pretty tight. the rubber star connector absorbs vibration, but has some play.
i'm using a 10 turn per inch lead screw and sleeve bearings. I'll lose more accuracy in the lead screw bearings and skate bearing assemblies than the couplers.
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