alibre looks good but what CAM?

[tobyaxis]

No I disagree, if you can't do these thing in bobcad It you and your machinist. Any software takes time to learn and that depends on the person.If you think it can't be done fast your the issue not Bobcad, maybe your machinist smoked a fat one before the training or he just is not that go with software

And Mike tells me that I'm a bit too harsh and strong with people that Bash BCC. I have to say I agree with Mike on this . Also that this was too good to pass by and ignore. Mike has a point. Maybe you need a better Machinist or a real one for that matter. Oh, and one that doesn't use illegal drugs before training classes

[tenaja]

No I disagree, if you can't do these thing in bobcad It you and your machinist. Any software takes time to learn and that depends on the person.

I can't share the file because of confidentiality agreements. It's a very simple part, even though it takes three setups--one setup is as simple as a straight cut. BC could do it in 2d, but that was time a consuming task.

OneCNC did it with no training in less time than an experienced user that went through the training class could do it in BobCad--and in full 3d with no editing.

If you think it can't be done fast your the issue not Bobcad, maybe your machinist smoked a fat one before the training

If this is your mentality, then that explains why BobCAD is so bad. It's highly illogical and buggy. I've written windows code before, and would be embarrased to put my name on this program. I can't imagine a program so stupid that you have to click on a microscopic arrow to select direction of cuts--and if you accidentally click another microscopic arrow, you screw the whole thing up. (And just the fact that it allows you to click multiple arrows to screw it up is mind-boggling.) This type of mediocrity is what keeps BobCAD users as mere users, and not raving fans.

And btw, my machinist doesn't smoke. I've known him since '89, and he's very bright and a stand-up guy. I was even frustrated with him when he wanted me to consider OneCNC--but once he showed me how fast the setups were, even with no training, then I ok'd it. Some programs are just written with logical steps. Some aren't.

[tjones]

Try holding the shift key and click near the line!

[tobyaxis]

Try holding the shift key and click near the line!

I don't think they understand that simple function Tjones. Maybe we can hold their hand and show them how.

[tjones]

I would avoid BobCAD at any cost. There are so many offerings that are so much better that I wouldn't use it even if it was free. And my first copy was. Even a buggy hobby quality program will be better.

A coworker went to their overpriced training class, and the instructor couldn't even do one of our simplest parts. We got OneCNC and did it within an hour.

Why do I not believe this? I went to one of those training classes and found Sorin could get things done in a very quick and easy way. And yes I brought one of those parts that was tricky too.

Are you just being paid by OneCNC like some others we know or did the operator even go to the class? BTW: I have used some of those hobby programs and they don't come close to the capabilities of Bobcad. Bobcad is not in the same class as Mastercam for now but it is very nice and worth 10 times what we paid.

[lakeside]

I can't share the file because of confidentiality agreements.=tenaja

That a bunch of BS share any part you would like-Lakeside

If this is your mentality, then that explains why BobCAD is so bad. =tenaja

Explains to me why do you think I said Bobcad was bad-Lakeside

It's highly illogical and buggy. I've written windows code before,=tenaja

Sounds like your a little Buggy-Lakeside

And btw my machinist doesn't smoke. =tenaja

maybe he should and you too-Lakeside

OneCNC is good software with software some people will pick up one and find it ez than another, that a personal chioce

[tjones]

Try holding the shift key and click near the line!

BTW: If the operator was in class he would have known this to.

I just don't understand why anyone would just go into other forums so they can bash and degrade. I just find it odd that people with a life and a job would take the time to find places to go and try to stir up trouble. I barely have time to spend making a living and living my life so why spend that time causing problems for others. Simply concentrate on the software you use and spend time learning it.

[tobyaxis]

There is a post "Why do you Visit CNCZONE". This is why, because it is very enteraining at times. What "Mike" said. This thread is very interesting for the most part because I have not Laughed this hard in quite some time. For someone to say that BCC is too difficult to use is just way too funny, because my Little sister and Girlfriend (BTW; They are not Machinists or CAD personel) use my BCC to design cool jewelry all the time. I even ran 5 of their CNC programs at a friends SHOP. No one can say BCC is too difficult in any way shape or form. If so, there are TWO GIRLS in the world that must be prodigies. Ha Ha Ha LOL ROLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post is not ment to EMBARRASS anyone. Tenaja and his Machinist more than likely didn't give the software a chance, or didn't want to bother themselves with learning something new. This simple fact shows real ease of use by individuals with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE what so ever.

BTW: Alibre is Great Software and Priced right. As for CAM I suggest VisualMill 5.0

[Dan B]

My machinist had never used OneCNC before--got a demo copy, and make a part almost immediately.

A fully functional demo that allowed you to cut? From OneCNC? Either this was a long time ago, or it is

Dan

[leberen]

No I disagree, if you can't do these thing in bobcad It you and your machinist.

Read the last sentence again regarding price then answer my question.

[tenaja]

A fully functional demo that allowed you to cut? From OneCNC? Either this was a long time ago, or it is
Dan

This is not an accuarate statement. After he got it to work so quickly with the download, he "rented" a dongle so he could make parts for 30 days (or something like that). It was so quick & easy to use that we bought the program.

Maybe they've made improvements, but I was suckered into paying for an upgrade to version 18 of BobCad, with promises of 3d capability. It was 100% a waste of money--we couldn't get it to do anything that the old 17 couldn't do. We knew about the shift key deselects--but you shouldn't have to deselect anything that will screw up your toolpath--you should get a warning, at the least! Those arrows were such a pain that sometimes you couldn't tell if one was selected or not. That was just an example, certainly not an entire list.

My guy did speak highly of the instructor--he said he knew BobCad in and out, and seemed like a good machinist. But he also said 3d with BobCad was a waste of time.

We are not "slow" learners. Between the machinist and I, we have a half dozen patents. I've designed and assembled full machines faster than most engineers can manage the project with an outside source, and no other workload. He comes up with amazing designs, and can write g-code like nobodies business. Both of us are familiar with code programming, too. I've personally written numerous Windows programs--many before that got easy with Labview and Visual Basic.

I'm not paid by OneCNC--in fact, I've paid to use their program. And even if it was twice the price of BC (I honestly don't even remember the cost--just that it wasn't out of line), I've made back the investment. The fact is that it works for us. If BC works for you, then fine, but nobody has chimed in here and said how difficult or illogical OneCNC is. OneCNC is a quality program that gets a job done, 2d or 3d, and it is just a well-written, logical program. I can not say that about BobCad. The BC tech support tried to get us to pay for another upgrade, with the promise that it'll work with the new version--but why should we pay for them to fix their bugs? It's supposed to fullfill the promises they've made, without additional expense. Maybe if they'd have fixed the issues we are dealing with and given us a patch, we'd have good things to say about it...but that didn't happen, and our experience was a waste of time and money.

I didn't say BC doesn't work for you. I said it's an illogical program, and we couldn't get it to work, and the tech support wasn't able to help us. We quit using Bobcad the day we got OneCNC. Now we make parts quickly and efficiently. You aren't going to be able to convince me otherwise, and BobCads tech support wasn't able to help us when they had a chance--their fix was to pay for a training class, and later, pay for an upgrade. I don't need to resort to name calling, because I know what we went through, and I know which company came through for us.

The bottom line is, we have two licenses of Alibre, and one of OneCNC. BobCAD sits unused. If you use Alibre and are shopping for a CAM program, then it's likely you'll be more productive with OneCNC. That's the answer to the original question. As a hobbyist, maybe you can deal with the issues of BC. As a machine shop, One gets the job done.

[lakeside]

Maybe they've made improvements, but I was suckered into paying for an upgrade to version 18 of BobCad, with promises of 3d capability.
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I did not by Bobcad untill version 19. Ver. 18 is so old you should not even compare that to any thing